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Annika L
Aug 21, 2007, 11:04 PM
For years I actively avoided internet chat rooms. I didn't think there was any way to form a meaningful friendship in a virtual environment. One day I stumbled into a chat room by accident, and this impression was almost immediately contradicted, and before long, between bisexual.com and the now defunct bisexual.org, I made many, many friends online. Each of these seemed fully as meaningful as friendships I've made in real life, many even moreso.

But lately, I have identified a disturbing trend. One by one, the people to whom I have become closest in chat rooms have betrayed and hurt me, each in their own unique (and sometimes highly imaginative) way, and some multiple times. Each time, I was devastated, but said to myself "well, but there's still ________________ -- that is a person you can trust and who is worth hanging on for." Well after this most recent ______________, I have finally reached the point where I need to start asking if there is *anybody* online I can trust.

Some of you are probably shaking your heads in disbelief and saying "well, geez, what do you expect from people?" Or perhaps "my god, girl, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

Good points, both. But in real life, as of age 40 I have never had this problem. I have plenty of excellent friends (carefully chosen) and we simply do not treat one another in these ways, and there is no fear of betrayal. Is it possible that when I exercise exactly the same judgment to choose friends in chat, I just happen to get unlucky multiple times in a row? Or is it more likely that people in this setting are just more likely to betray? Are friendships here just so cheap that they can be thrown away lightly? It would seem so...and therefore, I am getting out of the kitchen.

I still consider many of you good friends, and it is difficult to face the fact that these friendships will not continue, expand, or deepen. But frankly, I'm gunshy...I would prefer to remember the rest of my friends here as good people whom I continue to love (and you know who you are!), rather than to discover slowly that some or all are capable of and willing to inflict great pain (and you know who you are). I don't have the heart for more of this, and I've never been one for keeping my friendships shallow.

I thank you all for many marvelous times, wonderful laughs, and incredible insights...for your support, sharing, and love...and for making me think!

Some may accuse me of betraying them by leaving. But everything ends and not all partings constitute betrayal. I at least have the decency to say good-bye -- I wanted people to know (for those who care or notice) why they're not seeing me around.

So I leave you with a song. I have considered contributing both to music-oriented threads and to the thread on politics...this perhaps accomplishes both. Enjoy, and may the goddess keep you all!

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We Can't Make It Here (James McMurtry)

There's a Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
Flag on his wheelchair flapping in the breeze
One leg missing and both hands free
No one's paying much mind to him
The V.A.'s budget is stretched so thin
And now there's more coming back from the Mideast war
We can't make it here anymore.

That big 'ol building was a textile mill
It fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and they closed the doors
We can't make it here anymore.

See those pallets piled up on the loading dock
They're just gonna sit there 'til they rot
'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack
Just busted concrete and rusted tracks
Empty storefronts around the square
There's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
You don't come down here unless you're looking to score
We can't make it here anymore.

The bar's still open but man it's slow
The tip jar's light and the register's low
The bartender don't have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day
Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are workin' two jobs and livin' in cars
Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof, just try it yourself Mr. CEO
See how far $5.15 an hour will go
Take a part-time job at one of your stores
Bet you can't make it here anymore.

There's a highschool girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromat
A woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what'll she do
Forget the career, forget about school
Can she live on faith? Live on hope?
Hooked on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it's way too late to just say no
You can't make it here anymore.

Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
'Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can't make it here anymore.

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in?
Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today?
No, I hate the men who sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They've never known want, they'll never know need
Their shit don't stink and their kids won't bleed
Their kids won't bleed in their damned little war
And we can't make it here anymore.

Will work for food or will die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
So let 'em eat jellybeans, let 'em eat cake
Let 'em eat shit, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force or join the Corps
If they can't make it here anymore.

So that's how it is, that's what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper, read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind if you're listening at all
Get out of that limo, look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone tell us all why.

In Dayton, Ohio or Portland, Maine
Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains
That's done closed down along with the school
And the hospital and the swimming pool
Dust devils dance in the noonday heat
There's rats in the alley and trash in the streets
Gang grafitti on a boxcar door
We can't make it here anymore.

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* raises a glass of mead to my friends here in chat, drinks *
* tags MarieDelta * (you're it now, hon)
* dives headfirst into a hole in the ground without spilling her drink *

Bye,
-- Annika

arana
Aug 21, 2007, 11:21 PM
Wow Annika, I am so very sorry that you have come to the point where you find this is your only choice. I can't imagine anyone deliberately hurting you and shame on those that did! I hope that you will reconsider and give it another try. We would miss you too much if you left permanently.

Not2str8
Aug 21, 2007, 11:37 PM
Wow ! I can't tell you how sad this makes me. Annika, your's and my paths have crossed more than a few times over the years, and though we didn't get as close as I'd have liked, I always considered you one of the good guys. Someone worthy of a cyber-hug whenever I see you. I guess this is a good life lesson. Make friends now...you never know when you won't get another chance.
I hope that whatever hurts and betrayals happened here will heal with time, and maybe one day you'll feel like being here with us again. I'll miss you. Don't dive so deep into that hole that you can't get back out. But if you do, many of us here will gladly give you our hands and hearts to help you.

FerociousFeline
Aug 22, 2007, 12:03 AM
Nonsense! Annika can make it anywhere she chooses to.

I wish that you would air your complaints and let us address them. I am saddened that you do not feel safe here. So I will ask. If not in public please let SOMEONE you feel close in chat know what happened so that we might prevent that from happening again.

I will say this, Chatrooms are always as good or as bad as the moods of the people who frequent them. People have major moodswings all the time. When coming to a chatroom often, it's important to take a moment to center yourself before ever even entering....to ensure you are in a balanced state before exposing yourself to others energy. Most of the time it isn't really necessary. But on occassion, when people are acting out because of the stressors of the day, the moon, what have you, sometimes, taking that moment can mean the difference between making yourself unnecessarily vulnerable, and having a reserved but decent time. It's very important to never interpret anything that happens in a chat room or instant message as what your first knee-jerk reaction to it is. Someone who is willing to insult you or go out of their way to hurt you will usually do so MORE THAN ONCE.
So, I find that the best policy when judging online relationships is to look for SUSTAINED behavior. If someone is ugly to you once, try to let it roll off your back like water off a duck. If it happens on multiple occasions, tell someone that you are uncomfortable and why. This is all part of a community people, and we have to take care of each other.

I lament that you feel that you must take such drastic action Annika, I will respect your wishes, but I must do so under duress. I don't want to see anyone hurt or made to feel like they cannot come and let down their hair here. (It would defy the entire purpose as far as I am concerned.)

Please reconsider and talk to someone. I am open to you if you feel comfortable with me.

FF

GreenEyedLady(GEL)
Aug 22, 2007, 4:19 AM
All this talk of betray , betray , betray , how your so betrayed. Seems like only yesterday Annika when I felt betrayed by you and your little secret , which I notice you didn't bother to add in your sad post here. Hmm go figure. There are many people i've come across here Annika who I believe live in the same shoes you do, and have since day one been honest with who they are to us. This is a site where you can be you, and who you feel you are inside. You never gave me that chance , and im figuring there are many more as well , so shame on you and this post !

raistkit
Aug 22, 2007, 4:59 AM
hi annika: gonna miss you in tag, liked your imagination ,it was fun to tag team fw. gonna miss you. i don't chat very often myself, prefer the forums. people seem more real in the forums.

kit

lubaloy
Aug 22, 2007, 5:48 AM
Dear Annika,

I'm new here, but I've long admired you,

Compared to me and most, you seem invincible.

Yet I understand and empathize with you,

We are all so vulnerable.

I cannot fathom what drives people to wantonly hurt others,

And I can hardly believe anyone would ever hurt you.

I can accept your decision to leave,

Still I wish that someday you'll return.

Remember you were much apprecated and loved here,

Even by nobodys like me.


Godspeed to you, Anika. :yinyang:


Stout Heart and Good Cheer -- lubaloy

chook
Aug 22, 2007, 5:52 AM
Sorry it has come to this Annika, I must say that I did enjoy chatting with you in the main room and I don't know who has betrayed you and in what way but I'd like to remind people that different people take betrayal in different ways and that they .....who ever they are should respect your reasons for leaving or not coming in as much and leave it at that, and let you sort it out for yourself, I for one will be.


Cheers Chook :bigrin:

darkeyes
Aug 22, 2007, 6:51 AM
K.. wot gives ere Annika?? Dunno wy an wot has happened 2 ya, but chat is a place wer all sortsa things can happen..jus like life... shitty nasty luffly wonderful.. 2 us all. Woteva has happened 2 makeya feel so strongly cant say, but it mus b pretty bad.

Not so long back me almost left cos me jus felt that I wos bein shitty 2 peeps. It wosnt meant, its jus I wos gettin so involved wiv peeps an drew back cos sumhow felt that I wos toyin wiv em. An mayb I wos.. so before sum1 got reely hurt me almost went... but received so much support an luff from me m8s ere that in the end stayed on an its proved worthwhile..cos me luffs u lot for wotya given me, an the downside has always been much less than the up.

Wen peeps seemed 2 b betrayin me, me went nuts in threads at em. Dunno who they r for certain, but shite wos happnin..an me didn like it. Wosnt so much for me, cos shite has always happened 2 me all through me life, like all of us, but peeps wer givin shite bout sum 1 who meant an still means so much 2 me. Again afta me sounded off at the world, so much luff an support came my way that sumhow in the end it didn matta.

Cant makeya change ya mind babes... but God hun, me will miss our lil chats bout woteva crap enters our heads.. an the giggles. Take time Annika.. an don do owt rash... stay or go as ya think is rite..but we r here forya woteva ya feelins..

Skater Boy
Aug 22, 2007, 10:08 AM
Well, I don't even know you. But you seem cool from what I've seen you post up until now. Rest assured that many of us here do not have a penchant for betrayal. However, if you must go, we will all still be here if and when you decide to return.

:)

biwords
Aug 22, 2007, 1:50 PM
Well, I don't even know you. But you seem cool from what I've seen you post up until now. Rest assured that many of us here do not have a penchant for betrayal. However, if you must go, we will all still be here if and when you decide to return.

:)

Can't improve on this, so I'll adopt it with an appended 'me too!'. Very best wishes, Annika.

Azrael
Aug 22, 2007, 2:45 PM
Sorry you feel this way. Best of luck to you in whatever you do. Never got to really know ya, but you seem alright. Just remember, generalizations often don't hold much water. Regardless, I know I've been a dick to a few people here, so I take my part of the guilt.
Karmically yours-
-tom

quiet1fornow
Aug 22, 2007, 7:03 PM
Annika,

I am sorry to read of your decision. I do not write this to try to coerce your return nor damn your leaving. I felt the need to write to simply inform you that I have appreciated your visits in the main room and putting up with my odd humor. I have been fortunate to have found acceptance and love and protection here; not only by others but I feel you as well. I speak as many have to the fact that this community is much like the real world. There are 2% on average that disrupt the lives and feelings of the other 98% at any one given time in any community.

I can only assume that the "bad luck of the draw" has in your life here given you the feeling that the 2% is much larger here than the outside world; an opinion I cannot yet support and hope to never feel I can .

I hope that I am part of the 98% and that I may have given you some glimmer of a smile or a laugh or just that I care. I shall forever envision my perception of your lovely voice; I shall now never hear. I can simply hope that as you review this decision, and I can only assume you will; what little I know of you that perhaps with the support of the 98% it may be that you can once again return to those of us that have come to be comforted by your "nick" as we enter the main room of chat.

I offer you my friendship and a hand of comfort always. Please know that if one of us is hurt; I believe we each all are a little and even if it be shared pain...it is pain none the less. This loss as many is a true loss and grieving is part of any loss; I know too much from experience. So...I will grieve for a while and the hole of that loss will fill in some as time goes forward...but that "circle of loss" will never heal completely.


Quiet:(

bubba
Aug 22, 2007, 7:26 PM
sniff sniff,
dayum girl!! I am so very sad to think that we wont get a chance to chat again and cant express what a pleasure its been to become acquainted with you. Although I am certain you have your good reasons, there will be lots of folks that will miss you terribly. What a pleasure I got from you sharing with me about the kissing castles :D where ever you go and whatever you do...... I hope you find comfort and peace. I still want to try some mead and when i finally do you know I will be thinking kind thoughts of you and K Hugz to yall
((((((((((Annika)))))))))) xoxo

Doggie_Wood
Aug 23, 2007, 1:00 AM
Annika

We had lots of fun playing tag and me nippin' at yer butt was tasty too, but seriously, I truely am regretful you have chosen to leave us.
I know that we (you and I) never got close enough to be close freinds but I do consider you as one of my many online freinds.
Hey, and if you ever need to get an unbiased opinion on something or need to get something out of your head, or just talk about anything, I'm just an email away. And if you want to voice talk, I have Skype and Yahoo voice PC to PC.
bidogwood@yahoo.com

Love ya girl and be good to ya' self.

:doggie:
*gives Annika one last nuzzle with his cold nose and then a doggie lick*