OFF topic(LIVE EARTH)

[cabooseme2]

Well her I sit surfing and enjoying all the artist on Live earth some of that i don't care for and a lot that I enjoy and seeing some ledgends in rock n roll Loved to see Milsa Ethridge, Alica Keys cant forget Bon jovi and at the time listening to the Police.
Just curious to here all that watched what there favorite band was (IS) that performed today.

[FalconAngel]

It would be curious to see how many of these artists used "green" technology vehicles to get there and how many used carcenogen-puking limos, buses and learjets.

Hypocracy doesn't really sit well with me. Not that there is anything wrong with what they are trying to do, but one should practice what they preach, particularly on an issue like this.

It reminds me of the early 80's with the "treehugger" Yuppies who cried "save the planet" while driving gas sucking SUV's with their out of control consumerism and all.

[Skater Boy]

Had to be Pink Floyd for me...

"We don't need no... education! We don't need no... thought control!"

Can't believe they dug out the ol' inflatable pig...

[TaylorMade]

It would be curious to see how many of these artists used "green" technology vehicles to get there and how many used carcenogen-puking limos, buses and learjets.

Hypocracy doesn't really sit well with me. Not that there is anything wrong with what they are trying to do, but one should practice what they preach, particularly on an issue like this.

It reminds me of the early 80's with the "treehugger" Yuppies who cried "save the planet" while driving gas sucking SUV's with their out of control consumerism and all.

Motha fuckin werd, Falcon! Even Bob Geldof didn't want a piece of this. And that says something.

*Taylor*

[flbaldeagle]

[object Object] :2cents: Who the hell are all these "experts" to tell me how to live while wasting millions of $$$ and who knows how much energy flying around on their private jets(Yes, you Algore!)and living in energy wasting mansions(Again,you,Algore). As with all these types, it's do as I say, not do as I do. Carbon credits?? The biggest joke(and rip-off) of modern times. IF there is global warming or ANY other climate change, we didn't cause it and we can't change it. It's just Nature at work, doing what it has done for millions of years.

[Skater Boy]

IF there is global warming or ANY other climate change, we didn't cause it and we can't change it. It's just Nature at work, doing what it has done for millions of years.

Current research would indicate otherwise, amigo. Although I see what you mean... the climate of the Earth has fluctuated quite dramatically over the years.

Tbh, I didn't even know what the concert was in aid of until after it was finished. I just saw Pink Floyd on TV and decided to keep it on the same channel for a bit longer. Then Sting came on with some Roxanne crap and I thought: *yawn* Lets see if the Charles Bronson movie is still on.

[BI-FREE]

I watched a lot of the performers yesterday. A lot of them were impressive, but without a doubt, Madonna stole the show. Her performance was unbelievable.

That was Roger Waters by the way, not Pink Floyd. Yes he is a founding member, but I would consider the other 3 members playing together more Pink Floyd than just Roger, although his performance was really good.

I don't care if people putting this on are hypocrits, the fact that there is an attempt being made to make people aware of what we are doing to our planet is what we need more than anything. If you don't think we are killing our planet, pull your head out of your ass.

[Skater Boy]

That was Roger Waters by the way, not Pink Floyd. Yes he is a founding member, but I would consider the other 3 members playing together more Pink Floyd than just Roger, although his performance was really good.



Ah yes, apologies. Since "the argument" the whole band are rarely seen in the same place at the same time. Although it was actually Roger Waters who wrote most of the lyrics and music in the post-Syd Barrett era. It was far from a one man show, but for me, Roger was really the driving force of the band.

Jb

[chulainn2]

IF there is global warming or ANY other climate change, we didn't cause it and we can't change it. It's just Nature at work, doing what it has done for millions of years.

flbaldeagle, hi 5 buddy, this man-made global warming hysteria is nothing more than a political ploy to rally the simple-minded masses for liberal hidden agendas.
I tried to watch, An Inconvenient Truth only to have my intelligence insulted by that moron who addressed the audience as if we were in 8th grade. Sadly, I fear that is the intellectual level of these, 'earth is alive' fanatics.
Sadly, this has become so political that scientists are threatened if they disagree with that fat pig or any other so-called democratic politicains.btw, expect carbon footprint taxes soon; the leftists see this as a great money-grab opportunity.

[AdamKadmon43]

I just finished watching a series of lectures intitleled "Earth's Changing Climate" by Professor Richard Wolfson of Middlebury College who has, as far as I know, no particular political agenda and refuses to make any policy statements about the results of scientific investigation of global warming.

It is impossible to give even a brief synopsis of those 6 hours of lectures in this short space, but there a few things that can be said.

Based on obsevational data we are definitely in a global warming cycle... I do not believe that anyone in the scientific community disagrees with that. The point of contention seems to be to what extent that it is anthroprogenic. Samples of polar ice cores and other data indicate that the earth goes through these sorts of interglacial periods about every 100,000 years, ALL OF WHICH are accompanied by elevated levels of the primary "greenhouse gas" carbon dioxide. One of the end results of fossil fuel burning is carbon dioxide, but there are many other climatic conditions that can also affect the carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere. However there are strong indications that what is happening now is possibly being accelerated by human activity (diminishing levels of the carbon 14 isotope, etc. etc. if you want to get into all that dull stuff).

What scientists are looking at right now is how rapidly this increase in temperature is taking place as compared to previous eras.

The jury is still out on all this and we really don't yet know, but unfortunately, like a lot of other things, decisions about it are too often being made based on political affiliations and not on facts.

In the meantime, maybe we should just try to err on the side of caution.

Thanks for letting me put in my :2cents:

Adam

[Cerealk]

Global warming might be caused naturally through a cycle of the planet, lets pretend humans have no negative impact on the planet (of any kind). Does that mean we can freely over-use ressources, energy and continue to destroy ecosystems?

The point is, its not just about the temperature balance. EVERY thing is in balance (well used to). Took about 3 billions years to build. We are breaking it in less then 300 years. Whatever side you look at, things are changing for the worst all round the planet. If its not global warming, its gonna be something else that takes us all out of the universe, with every thing else presently on earth, and I consider non-living beings to as important as living beings...

(I kinda wish for that end soon, before we move to destroy something else, even if Im part of it all... =/)

[Herbwoman39]

The reason we are in a "global warming cycle" is because we are still coming out of an ice age AND the sun is hotter.

There is NO conclusive evidence to substantiate that we are contributing to climate change. There is just as much evidence for as there is against. Hell, COWS produce more methane gas than human pollutants.

Just as soon as I see 3-4 imartial studies from BOTH sides of the debate that confirms that global warming is caused by human impact, THEN I'll consider rethinking my position.

[AdamKadmon43]

I am in total agreement with you cerealk.... We have no right to be raping this planet the way we do .... But if we are to make people see that, we will stand a much greater chance by doing it through reason and not emotion. And if you don't think that is emotionally based, just look at the previous post.

And if we do not ultimately manage to accomplish that accomodation of nature's balance, then nature will do it for us, and nature is often not kind in the way it does things.

We are arrogant enough, sometimes, to think that we have much more impact than we actually do.

Adam

[Azrael]

It would be curious to see how many of these artists used "green" technology vehicles to get there and how many used carcenogen-puking limos, buses and learjets.

Hypocracy doesn't really sit well with me. Not that there is anything wrong with what they are trying to do, but one should practice what they preach, particularly on an issue like this.

It reminds me of the early 80's with the "treehugger" Yuppies who cried "save the planet" while driving gas sucking SUV's with their out of control consumerism and all.
Precisely.
Oh, and forget global warming. The real problem is stratospheric ozone depletion caused by improper disposal of CFC/HCFC refrigerants. It takes one chlorine atom to combine with and destroy as many as 100000 ozone molecules. How many chlorine atoms do you think are in just a single ounce of Chloridifluoromethane? How many ounces or pounds in every system that gets improperly disposed of? How many contractors obey the provisions outlined in the clean air act and the montreal protocol? Far fewer than the HVAC industry would have you believe. I know, having worked for many contractors in the state of Florida.

[AdamKadmon43]

I could not resist the urge to stick in one more little thing.

While it is true that the sun's radiation output seems to be increasing slightly (it is getting hotter), it is not a significant factor on the overall average temperature of the planet. The amount of solar radiation that we receive from the sun is about 240 watts per square meter of surface area. Since there is a direct correlation between the amount of total solar energy that the earth receives from the sun and the amount of energy that is radiated back into space as infrared, the average global temperature, barring the influence of an atmosphere, can be calculated to be about -13 degrees F. The real average global temperature has been determined to be about 60 degrees F. Where does that difference in temperature between the ideal and the real come from ???? The influence of the atmosphere and,at least to some extent, WHAT WE PUT IN IT.

Sometimes purely emperical observations such as the sun is getting hotter do not work too well. By purely empirical observation, temperatures should be much warmer in the winter months when the earth is closer to the sun than in the summer months when the earth is further away from the sun. Not to mention the fact that purely empirical observations would clearly demonstrate that the sun revolves about the earth.

respectifully

Adam

[Herbwoman39]

While your observations do hold some validity, I'd like to point out that we have only been keeping records of meteorological measurements for a couple of hundred years. A good part of that time the accuracy and regular recording of said measurements could be considered sketchy.

I don't know about you but I don't trust Farmer X from 1875 (just a date I'm throwing out there) to have kept accurate and daily records. In the grand scheme of things, the truth is we really have NO clue. It's all just theory and educated guestimates.

As I said, show me 3-4 studies from both sides of the debate that say the same thing and I'll consider revising my opinion that we're not doing diddly squat.

[AdamKadmon43]

Not so....

We have only been keeping (with any degree of accuracy) meterological direct temperature measurements for about the past 150 years. But we have some very good estimations of climate conditions going back into much further periods of time.

The amount of deuterium oxide (heavy water) and carbon dixoide contents found in ice core samples taken at the poles are good indicators of what things may have been like in past eras. Some recent findings at a Russian station in the Antartic seem to be producing samples that reflect conditions as far back as half a million years.

Also there are many other indicators such as the rings from petrified trees, and coral growth in the sea that can tell scientists a great deal.

Once again, this is not an absolute science and there is still a lot to learn, but we must not dismiss things outright just because they do not fit our political views.

It has been my experience in life that people often decide what they want to believe first and then organize their arguments and thoughts to fit their beliefs instead of trying to keep an open mind. All that having been said, I shall bail out of this one.

"When the experts disagree about something... there is little hope that the rest of us can make a determination" ..... I forgot who said that.

Adam