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Skater Boy
Jun 17, 2007, 8:23 PM
After speaking to a few ppl on this site, It just occurred to me that I am not particularly sexually experienced for my age. So was wondering about how experienced OTHER members are. If you don't think its a bit prurient, I'd like to ask you to state: 1. how old you are, and 2. how many people you've had sex with.

So for me, it would be:

1. 26
2. 2M, 2F

Don't worry if you don't wanna be specific... you can just put <5 (less than 5), <10 (less than 10), <15 (less than 15), etc.

I just thought it might be interesting to find out how slutty y'all are, lol.

Thanks guys.

rayosytruenos
Jun 17, 2007, 9:56 PM
After speaking to a few ppl on this site, It just occurred to me that I am not particularly sexually experienced for my age. [...]
I just thought it might be interesting to find out how slutty y'all are, lol.
An interesting question, but I think it depends on many things...

I was speaking with a really good-looking guy a few months ago, he was 18 years old and he told me that he had sex with already 1,000 guys!!! He goes to a gay sauna a lot and he can have sex with 20 or more guys in the same day!!! As he saw my surprise, he told me that his friend (even hunkier than him) was 16 and he almost had had sex with 1,000 guys already, so he was not that slutty, lol. I asked him how is that he counted the guys he's been with, and he answered me that bottom guys count.

I think I was still a virgin at 18, I had just done "you show me yours, I'll show you mine" sort of thing when I was a kid. Well, I remember that at 18 I did a bit more when on holidays as I played with the tits and pussy of a German girl (but she started kissing me, so I decided to see if she wanted more and she did!!!) but couldn't go on as people were banging on the door of the bathroom of the youth hostel we ended in. I had quite a fever and I remember those things quite in a blur... She got into my bed (the lower of a bunk, in a common bedroom with 16 bunks, making a total of 32 beds in the room) and started playing with my dick. I was soooo shy and afraid of people seeing us, plus my fever got higher that I barely remember anything that could happen. I awoke and had to leave for the airport (aaagggghhh, why these things happen the last night of your stay?) but I was not that shy in the morning and I play with her wonderful tits, while some Italian guys woke up and said something in Italian about me playing with her tits (I can speak a bit of Italian) so I just kissed her. I think it took me some time to lose my virginity after that.

It's funny, I think I cannot remember when or to whom I lost my virginity. They say you don't forget the first one. I guess I did, lol. Me, being so shy... Yeah, I AM!!! took experience after experience to dare more and more. As guys are easier, I let them first just wank me, later give me a blowjob and then as some were so interested I fucked them. I have had more experiences then with guys than with girls, but I'm not sure if I had full sex (fuck) first a girl or a guy.

Anyway, answering a bit to your question, I was not very experienced in my teens, but I think I've tried to recover the time lost... :bigrin:

All the best,

ray

Mudblood
Jun 17, 2007, 10:00 PM
31 yrs old, 5 F and 0 M

Two of the five women were one-offs (pardon the pun), and I've fooled around with 3 different guys, but never had sex with any of them.

Wow, sounds so... clinical... when you break it down.

Azrael
Jun 17, 2007, 10:09 PM
24 and 11 months. Had sex with 4 men and 3 women.

smokey
Jun 17, 2007, 10:17 PM
I am 51 and I have lost count. :bigrin:

In all seriousness 3 to 400 combined of both sexes.

FalconAngel
Jun 17, 2007, 10:27 PM
Again, not speaking for my wife, but as for me;

1) 46

2) 20+ women / 20+ men

darkeyes
Jun 17, 2007, 10:28 PM
me 2 kno an lukky peeps 2 find out..... :bigrin:

TaylorMade
Jun 17, 2007, 11:04 PM
24
6 women

With men, it's more complicated.

If you count oral - - around 30.
If you count actual penetrative sex - -less than 5.

*Taylor*

biwords
Jun 17, 2007, 11:59 PM
With men -- one.
With women -- eight if you count only penetrative sex. That includes some long relationships, and as of this writing, I've never cheated.

rissababynta
Jun 18, 2007, 12:51 AM
not speaking for my hubby...



almost 21 in age and 5m and 0f.

maxtor
Jun 18, 2007, 1:24 AM
55 and god only knows how many women. 3 men.

i was in the military for 26 years and single a lot of that time and was in other countries so what do you think. i wasnt a whore but close i guess.

DiamondDog
Jun 18, 2007, 1:37 AM
24/male.

A lot more men than women.

genera101.2
Jun 18, 2007, 1:46 AM
35 here and I'm such a nerd I wrote up a list with names that I could remember.

Women 33
Men 22

Sometimes I think the men should be higher since it is usually easier to get a guy in the sack than a woman. :flag1:

kenny
Jun 18, 2007, 1:48 AM
Women, about 30
Men, about 20 (oral only, though not opposed to other activities)
I'm 47

taldor2
Jun 18, 2007, 3:21 AM
34 M

5m 2f

Veronicus
Jun 18, 2007, 3:32 AM
M/50

F/plenty enough
M/three

ForbiddenWindow
Jun 18, 2007, 5:11 AM
I'm 23 and have had some enjoyable experiences but still. The way I've broken up with all of my dates, kinda sad since my life is full of drama. I've
settled down alot so here's the count

7 girls
0 men.

Would love to try bi tho....

FerSureMaybe
Jun 18, 2007, 5:20 AM
18. 0 Men. 0 Women.

boner_lishus
Jun 18, 2007, 7:51 AM
55 male

40+ gals 19 guys

Raynin
Jun 18, 2007, 8:46 AM
37,
1m,5f

unclefrot
Jun 18, 2007, 9:08 AM
49 year old male

6 women
4 men

Herbwoman39
Jun 18, 2007, 10:28 AM
40 yo

10+m (including 2 marriages)/0 women (am hoping to fix that one day).

Skater Boy
Jun 18, 2007, 12:38 PM
An interesting question, but I think it depends on many things...

I was speaking with a really good-looking guy a few months ago, he was 18 years old and he told me that he had sex with already 1,000 guys!!! He goes to a gay sauna a lot and he can have sex with 20 or more guys in the same day!!! As he saw my surprise, he told me that his friend (even hunkier than him) was 16 and he almost had had sex with 1,000 guys already, so he was not that slutty, lol. I asked him how is that he counted the guys he's been with, and he answered me that bottom guys count.

ray

lol, 1000+ guys at only 18 or 16 years old?! (And only counting "tops"). Are you sure he wasn't exaggerating, Ray? thats like...SUPERSLUTTY, imo. I don't think I'd want that level of experience at such a young age. In fact, I doubt I'll EVER sleep with more than 1000 ppl in my WHOLE LIFETIME. Unless I get a job as a pornstar, that is. I'm wondering what effect being so experienced at such a young age has on a person's mentality.

But its been interesting to hear just how experienced other members here are. so far, I would say that most of you are NOT particularly slutty.

diamond_tether
Jun 18, 2007, 12:57 PM
He's 23, She's 24. We've both been with well over 20+ females individually and quite a few males each (Him more than Her). And, we're both proud of these facts.

We've both had a good number of partners and we get bothered when people assume that the number of sexual partners a person has defines whether or not they're a 'slut/whore'. Calling someone that is typically a stab that's meant to imply a weakness of self, lacking self worth, an inability to control/understand oneself and motivations or some other such tripe to make the person feel inferior about their behavior.

Yeah, a lot of people do take sex to a bad place and end up with a lot of notches in their bed posts as a result, but that doesn't mean that everyone who's had a lot of partners is in the same boat. Some folks are well adjusted, have self worth, self respect, a sense of self safety/preservation and just prefer to keep company with folks who can handle sex being open.

Skater Boy
Jun 18, 2007, 1:21 PM
He's 23, She's 24. We've both been with well over 20+ females individually and quite a few males each (Him more than Her). And, we're both proud of these facts.

We've both had a good number of partners and we get bothered when people assume that the number of sexual partners a person has defines whether or not they're a 'slut/whore'. Calling someone that is typically a stab that's meant to imply a weakness of self, lacking self worth, an inability to control/understand oneself and motivations or some other such tripe to make the person feel inferior about their behavior.

Yeah, a lot of people do take sex to a bad place and end up with a lot of notches in their bed posts as a result, but that doesn't mean that everyone who's had a lot of partners is in the same boat. Some folks are well adjusted, have self worth, self respect, a sense of self safety/preservation and just prefer to keep company with folks who can handle sex being open.

LOL, yeah, but there's a difference between "20+" partners and "1000+" don't you think?

diamond_tether
Jun 18, 2007, 1:44 PM
LOL, yeah, but there's a difference between "20+" partners and "1000+" don't you think?

Not necessarily. It depends entirely on the mindset of the person with that many partners. Now, we definitely agree that having over a thousand partners is probably an exaggeration, but porn stars have tons and a lot of them are very happy, well-adjusted people.

Sorry if it seemed like we were after any one person in particular, lol. It was more commenting on the general idea that if someone has a lot of partners, most people immediately assume it's due to some kind of defect in that person's psyche. And, that they need to conform to the majority idea that fewer sexual partners inherently means someone is well-adjusted toward sex and what it entails.

fishfry29
Jun 18, 2007, 6:43 PM
64, and was overseas in the military. 100 women,...50 men

BonesPA
Jun 18, 2007, 9:15 PM
46 M

2 Women
4 guys

sixthickcut
Jun 18, 2007, 9:17 PM
i am very experienced...i am 49 and i shot my silver bullet at 18...i have had sex with woman: (>30) and with men: (>20),i have had mf: (most),mm: (many),mfm: (several),mmf: (1),mmm: (1),fmf: (0)...still horny and still lookin 4 that perfect sex team where everyone cums together...be seeing u... :bibounce:

Ophelia
Jun 18, 2007, 9:40 PM
2 girls, lost count of the guys, but I think it's upwards of 25 or thirty.

I was a late bloomer. :)

12voltman59
Jun 19, 2007, 1:07 AM
Skater----while those guys may be exaggerting a bit---if they hang in some of those sauna/bath houses--they probably are "getting a lot."

In my town--there is this older man on another gay/bi site I go to--he is always advertising for "sucking cock my place now." Like everyday of the week--he is on there all of the time--

I figure he does at least one a day---in the time I have seen him on there--that figures out to several hundred and I don't know how long he has been on there doing that----

I think there are lots of men, who if they just want random, "wham, bam, thank you man" kind of sex--they can get all they want to...

as far as my experience goes--I am nearing the big five-Oh in just a few short years---I actually kind of lost count on the ladies I have been with during my life---it could be somewhere between 50 and 100--I had a time back in my 20s and early 30s when I had myself a "good time"--then things kinda slowed down in that department, kind of like the weather we are having now--for a time it was a flood that eventually turned into an extended drought!!!! LOL

I have only been with a few guys thus far---

deletetacount123
Jun 19, 2007, 1:13 AM
Im NOT experienced at all :(
28 in July and I feel stupid :( lol
You're not the one who has had great converstations with people you meet onlin then they ask a sex question and all you can say is "I dont know... never did that" and they go "uh ok" then log, I never hear from them again.....

Oh and I murdered my "40 year old virgin" DVD hehe

The only thing I had was what I call "2 min quickie bam bam" by my ex which was rarely. So that is my ONLY EXPERIENCES :)

I have been kissed but I don't think thats experiences.

Tasha

warm heart
Jun 19, 2007, 6:20 AM
40 yo

10+m (including 2 marriages)/0 women (am hoping to fix that one day).

Hunny,

You so gotta fix that...LOL...not that I am biased or anything but sex with a girl........wow.....so special...i have my fingers crossed for ya hun....lol

39
male 4
female 2

LOL
so not a slapper....but the girl on girl...so wins

Love and Light
Warm ;)

Skater Boy
Jun 19, 2007, 6:40 AM
Im NOT experienced at all :(
28 in July and I feel stupid :( lol
You're not the one who has had great converstations with people you meet onlin then they ask a sex question and all you can say is "I dont know... never did that" and they go "uh ok" then log, I never hear from them again.....

Oh and I murdered my "40 year old virgin" DVD hehe

The only thing I had was what I call "2 min quickie bam bam" by my ex which was rarely. So that is my ONLY EXPERIENCES :)

I have been kissed but I don't think thats experiences.

Tasha


Aaaaawww! Poor Tasha, lol! But hey, you had some "offers" in that "who would date me?" thread of yours recently... so maybe you should send some PMs and remedy the situation...

GMD1082
Jun 19, 2007, 7:17 AM
- 24 (4 months until 25).

- Male (2) and Female (0).

The 2 only means sex and serious wise (for me, that is). If that was covered, then I'm sorry and exhausted. lol.

Only two kissed females once each, so I have a lot to do still with that.

Dagni
Jun 19, 2007, 7:23 AM
I'm speaking for my wife too:

29 years old

2 females, 1 male.

My wife:
28 years and 10 months

2 females, no males.

And that's why i'm so worried.

darkeyes
Jun 19, 2007, 7:30 AM
Gel asked me this a wile back an me didn hav a clue...don keep count...tarts dont...but they all in me lil journals...rated...an detailed...names the lot.. an if an wen me becums famous (or infamous) mayb world will pour ova them afta me dead, but until then ya jus havta wait an c... all me will say is...sum of 1 an more of the otha... But now havin been spurred by Gel's question..me dus know...tee hee:tong:

deletetacount123
Jun 19, 2007, 12:07 PM
Aaaaawww! Poor Tasha, lol! But hey, you had some "offers" in that "who would date me?" thread of yours recently... so maybe you should send some PMs and remedy the situation...

Ummm lol Who can be my first?? *looks for that thread again to re-read the comments*

rosemont36
Jun 19, 2007, 2:07 PM
Hmmmm....let's get the old calcualtor out.......

1.I'm 52
2.Have had sex with >50 women and >50 men

....and it's still not enough for my liking......

DiamondDog
Jun 19, 2007, 3:49 PM
I'm speaking for my wife too:

29 years old

2 females, 1 male.

My wife:
28 years and 10 months

2 females, no males.

And that's why i'm so worried.

Why are you worried?

If your wife is lesbian she's not going to want sex with men and you shouldn't pressure her to be something that she's not, when she's not bisexual, or to have sex with a man when she doesn't want to.

I have gay friends and they have absolutely no interest in having sex or a romantic relationship with a woman and it's not a big deal to me, and they don't care that I have sexual attraction and can fall in love with both men and women.

In general it's not a good idea to pressure people (especially people who you're in a relationship with) into doing things that they generally don't want to do, change into being how you want them to be, or holding them at fault for being themselves.

deletetacount123
Jun 19, 2007, 3:52 PM
28 (in July)

1 Men (never again)
0 Female

Some lucky woman is gonna be my FIRST someday lol and first to do a lot of things that I never experienced :)

rayosytruenos
Jun 19, 2007, 5:52 PM
lol, 1000+ guys at only 18 or 16 years old?! (And only counting "tops"). Are you sure he wasn't exaggerating, Ray? thats like...SUPERSLUTTY, imo. I don't think I'd want that level of experience at such a young age. In fact, I doubt I'll EVER sleep with more than 1000 ppl in my WHOLE LIFETIME. Unless I get a job as a pornstar, that is. I'm wondering what effect being so experienced at such a young age has on a person's mentality.

But its been interesting to hear just how experienced other members here are. so far, I would say that most of you are NOT particularly slutty.
He might be exaggerating, Skater Boy, but as Voltie said, some gay saunas are quite busy.

This gorgeous boy goes to one of (if not) the busiest gay saunas in London, UK, actually they have several locations in London, but the one he goes is the busiest of all. On a day during the weekend, they can reach easily over 100 guys. He and his friend are really bottoms and with the looks and body they both have it's no surprise that many want to have sex with them. Some guys just shoot in less than 10 minutes so if there is a group of men around them, just make numbers how many they can have in just a few hours (even more as they seem to accept everyone, tall, short, fat, slim, hung, teeny) and for what he said to me, he spends lots of time there mostly during the weekend.

Nevertheless, telling me he was so promiscuous, made ring my alarm bell, so I asked him if he always required the tops to use condoms. He answered that that's up to the top!!! :eek:

That means that due to the huge number of encounters, if he has not yet a sexually transmitted disease, he is playing with a lot of tickets to gain that lottery, and one of those diseases could be even AIDS. Actually when I asked him if he was disease clean, he didn't clearly answered, so I had to control my urges to fuck him and his friend nonsenseless, even if they are as hot as they are.

I like to read the agony aunt's column in gay.com (UK), where Gus gives his piece of advice to relationships issues. He said that he is HIV+ due to his promiscuity and not using protection. That's something like playing to the Russian roulette. Please play safe!!!

All the best,

ray

Skater Boy
Jun 19, 2007, 6:03 PM
Nevertheless, telling me he was so promiscuous, made ring my alarm bell, so I asked him if he always required the tops to use condoms. He answered that that's up to the top!!! :eek:

That means that due to the huge number of encounters, if he has not yet a sexually transmitted disease, he is playing with a lot of tickets to gain that lottery, and one of those diseases could be even AIDS. Actually when I asked him if he was disease clean, he didn't clearly answered, so I had to control my urges to fuck him and his friend nonsenseless, even if they are as hot as they are.

I like to read the agony aunt's column in gay.com (UK), where Gus gives his piece of advice to relationships issues. He said that he is HIV+ due to his promiscuity and not using protection. That's something like playing to the Russian roulette. Please play safe!!!

All the best,

ray

Yup, sounds like a good way to catch something if you ask me. Apparently (according to my book on "Gay Slang") there is something called "A CONVERSION PARTY"... I think y'all can probably figure out what that is, but even if not, suffice to say: NEVER ACCEPT AN INVITATION TO GO TO ONE!!!

rayosytruenos
Jun 19, 2007, 6:03 PM
I'm speaking for my wife too:

29 years old

2 females, 1 male.

My wife:
28 years and 10 months

2 females, no males.

And that's why i'm so worried.

Lol, that's good sense of humour! So you have no hanky panky at all with your wife?

Was her daughter conceived then by the intervention of the Holy Spirit? ;)

Ooops, I have just realized she could have had fertilization in vitro... :bigrin:

All the best,

ray

rayosytruenos
Jun 19, 2007, 6:22 PM
Yup, sounds like a good way to catch something if you ask me. Apparently (according to my book on "Gay Slang") there is something called "A CONVERSION PARTY"... I think y'all can probably figure out what that is, but even if not, suffice to say: NEVER ACCEPT AN INVITATION TO GO TO ONE!!!
Oh, my God! I didn't know about that... I have just made a quick research:

Throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s, the gay community ( motivated by the mounting numbers of deaths due to the AIDS epidemic ) practiced safer sex. Now—whether emboldened by the presence of drug cocktails or (erroneously) thinking that they will eventually contract HIV anyway—a few HIV-negative people have taken the barebacking trend a step further by attending conversion parties ( e.g., “bug chasing” ) and purposefully having unsafe sex with HIV-positive individuals so they, too, can become seropositive.
Windy City Times talked with Beau Gratzer of Howard Brown Health Center about this dangerous concept.



Windy City Times: First, define what a conversion party is.

Beau Gratzer: There are actually several different types. There are parties where HIV-negative and HIV-positive men get together with the intention of the negative men contracting HIV. A lot of these are put together online.

There are also other types. For example, the “roulette” party has one HIV-positive party with HIV-negative men with the positive man being unknown.

http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=13983

Neal claimed to have organized a "conversion party" in 2005 at which up to 15 men had sex with a 15-year-old to infect him with HIV, the court was told Wednesday.

A witness told the court that Neal claimed to have injected a 15-year-old boy with crystal meth before he was gang-banged by up to 15 men at his Coburg home in 2005. The witness told the court Neal told him the boy wanted to contract HIV and that his brother would want to go through the same process.

http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2007/03/23/3

I think that's plainly crazy [and evil (in Neal case)].

And I thought I was unshockable!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

DiamondDog
Jun 19, 2007, 6:36 PM
Ray-
if those guys really have had 1,000 partners (and weren't lying or exagerrating) at this young of an age they probably are Poz already, and probably have had common STDs like herpes/genital warts, or syphilis that can be easily transmitted via oral sex or skin/skin contact (syphillis can't be transmitted via skin/skin contact but it's very easily caught by oral sex).

Also having those STDs does increase your risk for getting infected with HIV.

Lots of younger queer men seem have a death wish, are into barebacking (unprotected anal sex), and many think that if you become HIV+ that you can just take pills and you'll be fine.

Some younger queer men are badly depressed and think, "well it seems inevitable that I'll become Poz eventually so I might as well get it".

Also, if the people are having sex and they're not sober and if they're drunk or on other drugs (especially cocaine and meth) they might not take safer sex precautions and condoms don't always work and can break during anal intercourse.

Oral sex isn't 100% safe for HIV transmission either. You can still get it that way too. Especially if you swallow or let someone cum in your mouth, have it with random strangers, and have a lot of it with people.

Also bath houses/saunas/steam rooms in sex clubs are notorious for this type of sex and the sick and predatory plaguers that are Poz and know that they are but knowingly infect others.

It's like that in the US and I'm sure it's a lot worse in Europe.

Also there are sex parties/orgies like SkaterBoy wrote about where it's bareback ONLY and you're not allowed to use condoms at all.

I've never been to an orgy/sex party but I hear that is what they are like.

Azrael
Jun 19, 2007, 6:38 PM
Absolutely. It's a scary world out there. I for one plan to get tested before my next partner. I'll expect the same of them.

domill
Jun 19, 2007, 7:17 PM
Well talking about scary stories, have a look at this article:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/06/01/1180205513859.html

Worst thing is I wasn't even surprised stuff like that could happen. Sadly.

RedSox76
Jun 19, 2007, 8:36 PM
31/M

16 Women
1 Man (if oral counts)

Fresia
Apr 11, 2015, 8:22 AM
Bump it up!

charles-smythe
Apr 11, 2015, 12:36 PM
After speaking to a few ppl on this site, It just occurred to me that I am not particularly sexually experienced for my age. So was wondering about how experienced OTHER members are. If you don't think its a bit prurient, I'd like to ask you to state: 1. how old you are, and 2. how many people you've had sex with.

So for me, it would be:

1. 26
2. 2M, 2F

Don't worry if you don't wanna be specific... you can just put <5 (less than 5), <10 (less than 10), <15 (less than 15), etc.

I just thought it might be interesting to find out how slutty y'all are, lol.

Thanks guys....70...
.
girls...a little over 500
men...between 350 & 400
.
.

sysper
Apr 11, 2015, 1:06 PM
41 here very inexperianced...........a couple girls in my lifetime, no guys, no couples, no groups. there is so much i need to try!!!!

eccles
Apr 11, 2015, 5:10 PM
41
50f 3m

jem_is_bi
Apr 11, 2015, 9:46 PM
...70...
.
girls...a little over 500
men...between 350 & 400
.
.
Wow!! Even, adding to the count all of those done only in my dreams, I am not close to that. I feel a little envy, not too much, but a little.

'BlowJob'
Apr 12, 2015, 5:57 AM
1) 70
2) Women = 3 (including present wife)
3) Men = No idea (Blow Jobs)

Oralboy69
Apr 12, 2015, 8:47 AM
52 years old. 3 women, and about 12 men.

elmwood7
Apr 12, 2015, 9:03 AM
57 yrs. old. 2 wives(mine), 2 wives (other guys), 9 single women including 1 guys daughter, 3 whores in Nam and about 15- 20 guys mostly oral only.

elmwood7
Apr 12, 2015, 9:05 AM
58 yrs. old. 2 wives(mine), 2 wives (other guys), 9 single women including 1 guys daughter, 3 whores in Nam and about 15- 20 guys mostly oral only.

david2230
Apr 12, 2015, 9:09 AM
Hi, I am 70 and have had sex with one 12 yr old boy, a 15 yr old boy, 2 females and oral sex with three men. Men can suck cock better than females.

darkeyes
Apr 12, 2015, 12:25 PM
One trusts, Davie boy, that u enjoyed the 12 and 15 yo lads wen u wer much the same age... if not then don't think many peeps think it much 2 brag about; prob summat 2 b a tadge ashamed of! And wetha men suck willie bettern women is always a ver subjective judgement... giving BJs is not summat I do ne more an haven't for quite a wile now... but wos pretty darn decent at it back in the day lemme tellya;)! Wetha as gud as ne guy, can't say for obvious reasons... but considering u have only ever had 2 women and not many more guys is hardly sufficient for u 2 know wich gender suck best, is it:confused:

Riderinthestorm
Apr 12, 2015, 4:01 PM
I stared in my pre-teens with a few friends, all male. 53 now.

a few hundred males and about 30 or so females.

In fairness though, most of those females were long-time relationships and only about 7 of the men were. And that includes 3-ways with some of them, of both sexes, and a few trips to a couple of local swingers clubs when I lived in South Florida.