Straight, Gay or Lying?

[DuskTillDawn]

What do you all make of this article? I thought it was quite interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/health/05sex.html?ex=1278216000&en=5a82f18cadf2ad83&ei=5088

[TxGuy]

interesting indeed.

atleast the researchers came out and said that their tests were not perfect. saying that there are many other factors, other than erotic images, that might indicate attraction to the different sexes.

if i would have been a part of that study they'd said I was straight. there is just something about gay porn that just doesn't do it for me at all.

[tink1978]

It was a very interesting article but I am sorry some women just dont arouse me like others. How do we know that the people in the porn films were there type? Unfortunatly it goes back to making people make a choice and not having both. If it is not broke why try to fix it. I like the fact that I am bisexual and at some points in my life i only want to be with men and others i only want women does this make me straight half the time and Lezbian the other? maybe but i I was in a man only mood when they tested me i would test hetero not homo.

Stupid test.
:2cents:

[CountryLover]

It SO annoys me when straight people grasp a tiny bit of the elephant and try to define it all by that one bit of information.

I'm definitely bisexual. However, I'm NOT attracted to just any female, and I'm NOT turned on by lesbian porn. Give me some privacy with my girlfriend though, :tong:
and there's no doubt at all what arouses me!

Some days, I'm very hetero, some days I'm very homo...*shrug* I don't know why they think it has to be "stable" to be real. Some days I want steak, some days I want salmon - it's still me, and it's still my strong appetite!

[billy_campbell]

I will repost something I posted on another thread about labeling:

I just read the book Full Exposure by Susie Bright and I was going to start a thread base upon something in her book but I will add it here instead since I fell it is related.

Susie Bright: Next time someone asks you what you "are" sexually, tell them that nouns will not do. Deliver a story of the last time you were sexual,or imagined an erotic fantasy; and this description will be full of verbs and adjectives and even material that almost defies words. You may have to show it with your hands. Labels, every on of them, should be saved strictly for protest signs and sandwich boards.

As to what sexually excites me, well lets see if I can use verbs, adjectives, and hands to describe. For my birthday a lady friend came over wearing a leather miniskirt. As I was looking at her hot and sexy body she asked me if she really look good in the outfit and did it really turn me on. I told her it did and I said let me show you how turned on I am, I took her hand and put in on my crotch so she could feel my hard cock. Weeks later while sitting a bar with this lady she took another guys hand and put it on my crotch and watched him stroke me until I was hard. So women, men, pussy, ass, cock and breasts all turn me and I enjoy all of them.

Her and I don't really get hung up on labels, we both just simply know that we both like pussy and cock. I get turn on most by being with both a man and woman at the same time.

[DiamondDog]

That "study" has been debunked by many people. My biologist friends and I looked at it as a joke and laughed.

Here's a copy of the actual "study": http://susiebright.blogs.com/BiMen.pdf

They basically attached sensors to men's penises and measured their levels of attraction based on porn. I'd be more on the homo side but if they showed me porn of men who look like Ken dolls I wouldn't get hard at all since I think that twinks are icky since they look REALLY young and purposely shave/wax their entire bodies which is also gross and weird.

Also they had a very small number of men (101 to be exact) and got men from ads in gay bars, Advocate magazine, and in gay newspapers.

Of course you're going to get more men who identify as gay or lean more towards men that way.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this but oh well, it's the truth. Most men that are bisexual in America are either married and cheat or they're married but don't think of themselves as being bisexual. They see themselves as being "straight" (quoted on purpose like the gay porn sites), they're closeted/on the down low and have no desire to participate in sexuality studies, or they wouldn't be caught dead in a gay/queer bar/club, don't read gay/queer newspapers/magazines, and don't identify with gay culture at all.

Also, they're not taking into account that some people watch hetero porn for the men like my friends and I do. Lesbian porn does absolutely nothing for me and I find it to be boring and it's a turn off since there aren't any men or penises in it and I'd rather see two men kiss than two women.

I think that most women that do porn, especially hetero porn aren't that hot and sexy at all and are rather nasty. I'm talking about the ones that full of silicon, have those icky long nails, have fake tans, are strung out on crystal, and who look and act like brainless crackwhores from L.A. or who you can look at and tell that they've been around the block A LOT.

Dr. Michael Bailey is the person that did the study. He's operating on the notion that porn equals real life. Which is a joke in itself.

Bailey was out to prove that bisexuality isn't physiologically based, but instead a deliberate-if not false-self-identification. It's the penis, he claims, and not the conscious that determines true sexuality. Anyway, if there's no such thing as a bisexual man, then how come there are bisexual women? I'm
sure if a 'study' came out saying that, everyone would be up in arms.

I think that the study is right however that most bisexuals prefer one sex to the other; but to say that a whole category/sexual label doesn't exist is just pure bullshit. I think that there are people who are bisexual but just won't admit it to themselves or who don't see it as just another aspect of their sexuality/themselves. Like men and women who predominantly have same gender sex ONLY while in a 3 way with a person of the opposite gender. Or people who are closeted and think that the sex that they've had with people is only "experimenting". Or they think that in order to be bi you have to fall in love with both genders.

Sexual desire is too complicated to be encapsulated as a direct stimulus-arousal pattern. Also, he didn't take into account the idea of emotional attraction. Sexuality, like arousal, is too fluid, too variable to be defined except by the person themselves at that moment.

"Dr." Bailey, is the same guy who has also published work to the effect that parents should take advantage of future genetics technology to selectively make their babies be heterosexual, because it seems like the moral thing to do.

He also has "proven" that male to female transsexuals are another group of people are utterly fooling themselves. That they are "in fact" just VERY effeminate men.

Anyway that's my take on it.

[flexuality]

Susie Bright: Next time someone asks you what you "are" sexually, tell them that nouns will not do. Deliver a story of the last time you were sexual,or imagined an erotic fantasy; and this description will be full of verbs and adjectives and even material that almost defies words. You may have to show it with your hands. Labels, every on of them, should be saved strictly for protest signs and sandwich boards.



Hehe...I like that! :tong:

[Cerealk]

If they used some kind of device to test the penis's size incresement (sp), then what about people with some erection disfunction? If you dont get hard then that make them un-attracted to anything? No sex drive at all? What if f/m porn doesnt turn me on? Just like all you guys said, that study is a total joke. I feel as if that was made just to cast more discrimination and more "its just a phase thing" over the bisexual community, coming from both sides.

And, I dont think it takes any kind of study to verify that some bisexuals lean more to one side than another, or that they only feel emotional attraction to one gender. Just reading here gave enough of evidence.

If they so want to do studies on people, why not just ask them instead of testing with contested means a really restricted part of what you want to analyse? Im curious to know what kind of people autorized and funded that research...

[Long Duck Dong]

mmm bisexuality doesn't exist cos some people reacted visually to porn of men but not women or women but not men

lol....cool....

I don't react to porn, is that a indicate that sexual attraction may not exist....
hell we better do a study using a poor methodology to explore that conclusion

[Dr.StrangeLove]

Uh...everything DD said!

LDD, you must be lying about having a sexuality since your penis doesn't respond to porn. :tong:

Trying to assess complex questions about sexuality by measuring how mens penises responds to porn is the most reductive and foolish inquiry I can imagine...I've heard about this study and have always thought it sounded like bullshit. Now I know. I'm not surprised that this researcher suggested that future parents should utilize biotechnology to ensure that they have straight children...what an asshole.

[12voltman59]

I think that this "study" is a pile of 100% USDA Prime Bull Hockey Pucks!!!!!

This is just an attempt using "clinical" techniques to "prove" that bisexuality--at least in men--does not exist...

As was pointed out--the study was way to limited---not yet backed up by more and larger studies--and I argue that the means they used to "prove" arousal is pretty much "booooooooggggguussss!!"

I don't see how studying what the penis does as a response to porn proves much of anything--I for one am no fan of porn at all--I don't much care for it--don't watch it, buy it etc.--and that is true for porn no matter its subject matter----I do like to read erotica though--and I do get turned on by good erotica of any stripe---

If they hooked me up and had me watched some porn--they might find my penis shrinking---porn does nothing for me but piss me off that I am wasting my time watching something I find pretty lame!!!!

[NorthBiEast]

Porn that has men in it does absolutely nothing for me. A lady with toys on the other hand... But I'll tell you, I wouldn't trade my husband in for all the vibrators in China. No contest.

Don't try to tell me that I don't count because my taste is different from yours.

I don't eat fish or poultry, are you going to try to tell me that I'm a vegitarian even though I eat beef and pork? And don't you DARE tell me that I should have my kid genetically altered so that he'll like chicken and fish!

:soapbox:

[ohbimale]

In my opinion tThe article is biased. The authors seem to have an agenda to say bisexual men do not exist, but bisexual women do. But what can we expect from a society that is somewhat accepting of sexual attraction between two women and if two bisexual men are attracted to each other then they are homosexual.

I can only speak from experience. I have always been turned on by both men and women. At different times in my life I have a stronger attraction to one versus the other. So depending on where I was in life if I had been a part of the study group I would have been either homosexual or heterosexual, when in reality I am bisexual.

The study does prove one thing. The so called experts still have a lot to learn. I only hope those in our society who are prejudiced against bisexuals, homosexuals, lesbians and transgendered folks do not use this study as a political bashing tool.

Bisexuality Rules. :bipride: :male:

[DiamondDog]

Here's an article I found about Bailey.

He sounds rather closeted like how he just somehow happens to live in the Boys' Town section of Chicago. LOL

Or how he thinks that "middle-class, straight kids [...] have a close to zero chance of getting AIDS" :rolleyes:

http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i41/41a00801.htm

[Solomon]

sounds like the studies that they do for advertising too.... the primary focus on what sells, not what's accurate lol

[the sacred night]

Wow, I think I just lost all respect for the NY times...

Even if their research methods had been perfect, though, still... who anyone else to make judgments about my sexuality, scientific or otherwise? I don't need the NY times to approve and tell me that my sexuality is real... I KNOW I'm bisexual so how bout the NY times just butt out!

[jedinudist]

It SO annoys me when straight people grasp a tiny bit of the elephant and try to define it all by that one bit of information.

I'm definitely bisexual. However, I'm NOT attracted to just any female, and I'm NOT turned on by lesbian porn. Give me some privacy with my girlfriend though, :tong:
and there's no doubt at all what arouses me!

Some days, I'm very hetero, some days I'm very homo...*shrug* I don't know why they think it has to be "stable" to be real. Some days I want steak, some days I want salmon - it's still me, and it's still my strong appetite!


I have to agree! I am certainly Bisexual. Just because there is a penis, or a vagina, or a set of breasts does NOT mean I am automatically attracted. Not just any gal or guy got me going back before I married. Now that I am married to such a wonderful woman, I have to honestly say she has become the only woman I lust for :)

On the other side of the fence, believe me when I say that just because a guy has a penis does not mean I would give him a first glance, much less a second one. It's not the equipment - it's the owner.