sex with a trannie

[bifirsttime]

Anyone tried it . I have and it was awesome.

[Flounder1967]

How do you have sex with a transmission? or am I missing something.

[flexuality]

How do you have sex with a transmission? or am I missing something.
LOL!

I think it has something to do with the tailpipe.....'course I'm not a mechanic.... :tong:

[TashaSW]

LOL!

I think it has something to do with the tailpipe.....'course I'm not a mechanic.... :tong:

Im not either but yes it does.... I learnt it on TV when 2 characters were talking about cars.

[flexuality]

Im not either but yes it does.... I learnt it on TV when 2 characters were talking about cars.

'course it's probably better than sex with the brake pads...all those sudden stops...then they just run ya over.....kinda makes me dizzy...

note that is DIZZY....not ditzy....LOL!!! :bigrin:

[TorontoGuy2007]

If you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with.


ah, now there's a great song!

[TorontoGuy2007]

Anyone tried it . I have and it was awesome.

well, i identify as a transsexual and i masturbate 2 hours a day.. and it is awesome too! not sure if that really counts though.. lol

[chook]

A trannie in Australia used to be a transistor radio many years ago....but I dont recall ever fucking one.....not with me dick anyway...maybe a hammer but not me dick.


Cheers Chook :bigrin:

[oralplus]

Lets put it this way...if pre op. fine . but if he/she had a total change....why not go with a woman????? I may be to simplistic about things Any one think the same ?
I would love to meet a shemale..that would be a great encounter. MMMMMM Would be like having the cake and eat it too. Someone like in the pic attached yummmmm

[julie]

...i really hate the title of this thread...

transgendered /transsexual folk are just as human as anyone else!

...Please dont dehumanise people by reducing a sexual encounter with someone who identifies as 'trans' to some kind of freak show... this is meant to be a safe space.... julie sighs in frustration...

.. my own experience, of such, was simply of a tender loving intimate experience with someone who i wanted to be so very close to, and who wanted to be so very close to me... so no different to consensual sex with sex with anyone else really.

can we be a bit more sensitive about the labels we use please?

Julie



:female:

[izzfan]

I can't say that I've ever had sex with a transgendered person, but I'm pretty open minded about it. I guess it depends on the person themselves, I mean (even in very short relationships) personality is an extremely important thing.

Julie, you certainly do have a valid point, I mean even the thread title is slightly dodgy. In my opinion, the term 'tranny' is kind of like the term 'queer' -probably best only used if you consider yourself to be one. I mean, I personally don't have a problem with the term [I am a TV/CD myself and view myself as very mildly transgendered] but then again it can be quite dehumanising, it depends on the context it is used in. Even worse is the term 'shemale' [as used in an earlier post], I mean that term is only really used in the porn industry and is definately derogatory/dehumanising.

I don't want to get politically correct here [anyone who has ever met me will know of my great dislike of political correctness] and I definately think that this thread has a lot of potential to be a wonderful, supportive and interesting dialogue about relationships with trans people. However, it seems to be going down the route of people crudely talking about how they want to shag trans people and just generally making sweeping generalisations [probably based on adult magazines/ videos with trans models/actors] about all trans people.

Just my :2cents:

Izzfan :flag2:

[Frodo]

Lets put it this way...if pre op. fine . but if he/she had a total change....why not go with a woman????? I may be to simplistic about things Any one think the same ?


Err...ok.

Stuff like that can actually destroy any optimistic thoughts along the line "Somebody'll like me for who I am"...because if I got that right you say that the only thing that's interesting about us transgendered people is the kinky experience of a "chick with dick" ...so once the transition is done you rather get a "real" girl because transgendered people aren't as good then anymore...

maybe I misunderstood but ...stuff like that is just yucky, sorry.

[Long Duck Dong]

mmm sex with a pre op transgender ??? that would be a unique experience....but i would also be interested in knowing the person as well...

to me, a transgender is simply the sex they wish to be seen as, and a pre op is no different

a few of the post op ladies I know, are gorgeous ladies and I treat them as ladies ... the ones I knew pre op, were still ladies...

as for the words * tranny * and * trannies *... is it truly disrespectful ????... well the answer to that lays with the reader......i remember a issue in the forum cos I used the term * coloured people * instead of people of colour *... it was not written in a disrespectful manner, it was read as disrespectful
a few of the transexuals i know, call themselves the trannie grannies, as they are 45 + in years

i am bisexual, but i get called a switch hitter, AC / DC, butt humping pussy muncher etc etc, as as offensive as they may be in other peoples eyes, they are simple words in my eyes

I remember a old rhyme
sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me....

nowadays it should read that sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will cause me unneeded pain and suffering, anxiety attacks, self esteem issues, a need for therapy, a march down the road protesting my rights, the right to sue for emotional and mental distress, a support group started on the net, 15 minutes of fame on a tv show etc etc.....

[Danielle_T]

Just the fact that you've entitled your post "sex with a trannie" shows your ignorance and your rudeness. There are definitive clinical terms for persons in this grouping and thanks to the North American pornography machine, these terms are being perpetuated. She-Male, Tranny, He-She et al, are all terms that show disrespect to these people. I did'nt ask to be born this way but i am and it's taken me years to become comfortable with who i am inside, sadly society is not, it seems that everyone else has gained acceptance in this world except the transgendered, they still continue to struggle.

Please, take the time to peruse our wonderful internet (or maybe not) and study and get the facts first before you go off on a tirade about how great it was having intercourse with a "Tranny" lest you be placed in that position one day of not being understood or even shunned, think of the other person....please.

Love and Peace....Danielle

[AstroGlide]

Long Dong Duck....\
Your posting is wunderful. The whole thing was simply a great statement and should be red by all. Intent and interpretation are really two differen things. And if all would understand that, there would never be a need to define, define, define, define, etc., etc., etc., ...........
AstroGlide

[bi-robin-calif]

All I wanna know is was it HydraGlide, or a stick?

[weskain77]

Well of course you want to get to know the person- the person ALWAYS matters- I don't care how horny you are. I think that the whole idea isn't any different than a guy asking "any guys ever have sex with another guy?". He isn't implying that it doesn't matter who the guy is- it's just a physical attraction that he wants to talk about with others who share it.

:)

-W

I myself am curious....

[darkeyes]

A trannie in Australia used to be a transistor radio many years ago....but I dont recall ever fucking one.....not with me dick anyway...maybe a hammer but not me dick.


Cheers Chook :bigrin:
Me knows wotya mean Chook cos me dad still has 1 wich works. It wos given 2 him for his birfday wen he wos a boy by his gran an he looks afta it like a new baby. Bein an electrical whizz helps an even if the sound is a bit harsh now he says, it will still be round afta he gone he reckons as long as he can still get a signal (digital bein the cummin thing...wich it aint ne gud for)!

It went wiv him an me mum on their dirty weekends fore they wer married (his words...me mums thumps!). Me mum has confessed that the nite she reckons me bro wos conceived, they wer listenin 2 that wee trannie under he stars makin luff to the tones 2 Marc Bolam. (who??? tee hee) Me dad sez its bollox cos he is nowt 2 do wiv him! Unromantic ole fool!

He duz hav another littler one but all he has ever been able 2 get outa that is static. Sum 1 yas all know an luv dropped it in the Water of Leith wen she wos 7 an it aint got a channel since! Oops.. silly me!! No romantic stories attached!

[julie]

mmm sex with a pre op transgender ??? that would be a unique experience....but i would also be interested in knowing the person as well...

to me, a transgender is simply the sex they wish to be seen as, and a pre op is no different

a few of the post op ladies I know, are gorgeous ladies and I treat them as ladies ... the ones I knew pre op, were still ladies...

as for the words * tranny * and * trannies *... is it truly disrespectful ????... well the answer to that lays with the reader......i remember a issue in the forum cos I used the term * coloured people * instead of people of colour *... it was not written in a disrespectful manner, it was read as disrespectful
a few of the transexuals i know, call themselves the trannie grannies, as they are 45 + in years

i am bisexual, but i get called a switch hitter, AC / DC, butt humping pussy muncher etc etc, as as offensive as they may be in other peoples eyes, they are simple words in my eyes

I remember a old rhyme
sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me....

nowadays it should read that sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will cause me unneeded pain and suffering, anxiety attacks, self esteem issues, a need for therapy, a march down the road protesting my rights, the right to sue for emotional and mental distress, a support group started on the net, 15 minutes of fame on a tv show etc etc.....


...it is not so much the title 'sex with a trannie' that i object to... although i
do find it deeply offensive and unacceptable.. its the dehumanising element of the question and subsequent responses that i want to highlight THIS IS MEANT TO BE AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY... and yet it seems ok to reduce to some kind of freak show sexual activity with members of this community who identify as trans

NOT IN MY NAME!

..and as for your quirky anti-pc sticks n stones piss take at the end.... well words fail me quite frankly LDD... i am astounded by your crassness and insensitivity.

Julie :female: :disgust:

[Keliana]

HMMM.....(rolls eyes). How condescending. Oh...and sex with a post op isn't worth it because it's like having sex with a "real" woman? Like post ops are not people?

To the author- YOU ARE A PIECE OF WORK!!


This isn't about being politically correct folks. It's dehumanzing a person, objectifying them as a thing.

These are people!!!! having sex with a transgender/transsexual is no different than any other human being. I think we're forgetting, it's about the person, not the genitals! uh...bisexual? :2cents: :female: :male:

[TorontoGuy2007]

i agree, judging "Sex witha trannies" is essentially a way of trying to generalize and assume that 1) sex with any trannsexual will be exactly the same, and 2) transsexuals are nothing more than sex objects.

just like having sexual encounters with non-transsexuals, every human being is going to be different. kinda like asking to share stories about sex with all women or sex with all men.. you can't judge people based on their genitals.

sex will likely be unique with every different person you do it with.. obviously, it will mean much more if there is a love connection before you engage in the sex.

[TidewaterVA1]

Me knows wotya mean Chook cos me dad still has 1 wich works. It wos given 2 him for his birfday wen he wos a boy by his gran an he looks afta it like a new baby. Bein an electrical whizz helps an even if the sound is a bit harsh now he says, it will still be round afta he gone he reckons as long as he can still get a signal (digital bein the cummin thing...wich it aint ne gud for)!

It went wiv him an me mum on their dirty weekends fore they wer married (his words...me mums thumps!). Me mum has confessed that the nite she reckons me bro wos conceived, they wer listenin 2 that wee trannie under he stars makin luff to the tones 2 Marc Bolam. (who??? tee hee) Me dad sez its bollox cos he is nowt 2 do wiv him! Unromantic ole fool!

He duz hav another littler one but all he has ever been able 2 get outa that is static. Sum 1 yas all know an luv dropped it in the Water of Leith wen she wos 7 an it aint got a channel since! Oops.. silly me!! No romantic stories attached!

I just love to read Darkeys writtings, I'd love to hear this Irish Lass talk. Me Wild Irish Rose..........

[csrakate]

Careful Tidewater...this lass is Scottish and she doesn't take too well to being called Irish!! LOL!!!

[TashaSW]

Careful Tidewater...this lass is Scottish and she doesn't take too well to being called Irish!! LOL!!!

Uh oh! Are we gonna get a rant from her now? hehe

[softfruit]

Lordy, what a dismal thread... wobbles about between dodgy humour and slowly descends into worse; much kudos to those like Keliana and Julie who've butted in with a dose of humanity.


nowadays it should read that sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will cause me unneeded pain and suffering, anxiety attacks, self esteem issues, a need for therapy, a march down the road protesting my rights, the right to sue for emotional and mental distress, a support group started on the net, 15 minutes of fame on a tv show etc etc.....

And here y'are posting on a support network on the net, LDD... pot, meet kettle!

[TidewaterVA1]

Careful Tidewater...this lass is Scottish and she doesn't take too well to being called Irish!! LOL!!!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I have sinned exceedingly. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. I didn't look..........My ancestors are from Scotland.............and Ireland........and England...........and Italy..........

[TidewaterVA1]

Careful Tidewater...this lass is Scottish and she doesn't take too well to being called Irish!! LOL!!!

I wish you Southern Bells would write in Southern Talk, ya'll. :) I'll catch up with you csr in the chat room. :eek: //S// A Yankee

[TaylorMade]

This is the equavalent of . . . "Dude, I finally had sex with a black chick!"

:disgust:

I rarely like to use race in discussions like this. . .but this is where it is.

For me, it's not as much the term(because I have heard this term used by transgendered) it's the...sexual lab rat aspect of it.

*Taylor*

[darkeyes]

Don worry bout it Mumsy...Tidewater will catch it in due course!!! Irish pfaaa! :bigrin:

[darkeyes]

Lordy, what a dismal thread... wobbles about between dodgy humour and slowly descends into worse; much kudos to those like Keliana and Julie who've butted in with a dose of humanity.


You are right of course Softfruit it is a pretty dismal thread, and while I am unable to speak for others it is its dismal nature and dismal content which made me contribute as I have. This does not mean I do not feel or treat the transgendered with the same care and consideration I hope I show to any other human being or that I do not care about transgender issues. Any who knows me, or has read any of my fairly considerable number of more serious posts know the truth of this. In the case of this particular thread I have been unable to treat the original question with any seriousness due to its very nature.

I can be and am often flippant, but that comes with my nature, but equally can be and often am a serious minded and caring individual when the need arises. In this instance it is the contempt with which I hold the original question which has determined my response, as well as a somewhat flippant and yet oddly poignant contribution from a friend who I think has also questioned the validity of that question..

[Long Duck Dong]

well... I guess some people missed what I was saying earlier ???

so I will put it in english .... WHAT IS allowed in bisexual.com that is not gonna cause offense ?????

I am not saying that people objecting to the word * trannie * are wrong or that their opinion is wrong, what I am asking is how are people allowed to refer to the subject of sexual contact with transexuals ???

shall we use the PC term ??

intimate and personal relations with a person that is regarded as gender confused, or who is gender secure and in a state of transition

btw softfruit, I am a veteran counsellor / therapist, and I should post the 118 page rule book on pc terms that we are to use in regards to people

did you know that as a counselor you are to refer to transexuals as * gender undefined * or * gender in transition *, they are to be regarded as * person with a gender identity disorder *.... thats hardly placing transgender in the class of humans with feelings ....and thats the offical counselling community that is meant to be supporting and helping people

for anybody that thinks I am disrespectful to transgender, they need to click on my name and search thru the forum for the thread I wrote defending the rights and identity of transsexuals as * one of the family *
they also need to meet my real life transgender friends, who think I am one of the nicest, most respectful guys around.... cos I attempt to walk in their shoes and understand life from their point of view

[onewhocares]

Gee, I do not even know where to begin. Given the recent uproars of comments, I would have thought some decorum would have pervaded our little world. But alas, no such luck.

Now granted I have just recently (with in the last six months or so) become aquainted with a TG woman, so my life experiance is limited. But I would never consider uttering words that might be hurtful or degrading. I know what that feels like, and I am more considerate of those around me. To Julie and Keilana, I stand beside you.

I have never made love to my friend as a woman, but it is what is inside that matters. Well....to be honest, she is so beautiful, I may reconsider. She has taugh me, yes me, how to be very much a woman. I, and two others from this site will be able to have the pleasure to accompany this pretty lady to a gala at a TG Conference (See Upcoming Events). I can not predict where the night will end.

Belle

[Tommy2020]

Careful Tidewater...this lass is Scottish and she doesn't take too well to being called Irish!! LOL!!!

Puttin on helmet, shoulder pads, eye goggles, knee pads, gloves, body shields, even a condom for protection from CSR's Scottish ire.....
Luvya,
Tommy2020 :bowdown:

[flexuality]

Puttin on helmet, shoulder pads, eye goggles, knee pads, gloves, body shields, even a condom for protection from CSR's Scottish ire.....
Luvya,
Tommy2020 :bowdown:

LMAO!!!!!
:tong: :cool: :bigrin: :tong:

[csrakate]

Puttin on helmet, shoulder pads, eye goggles, knee pads, gloves, body shields, even a condom for protection from CSR's Scottish ire.....
Luvya,
Tommy2020 :bowdown:

You may rest easy now tommy...for I am not the Scottish lass in question...I was letting Tidewater know that Darkeyes is not Irish...and very much the Scottish lass! As for myself...better guard yourself against my Southern Belle attitude and my Fiddle Dee Dee's!! LOL!! Ever been belled??? LOL

Hugs,
Kate

[Long Duck Dong]

lol onewhocares, I agree.... its not in my nature to refer to people in a offensive manner.... but i am noticing that a lot of what is posted, is taken as offensive...

I remember your thread about your friend and your experiences with them as you both learnt the lil tricks and skills to being a lady.... it was one of the best articles I have read, especially when you mentioned that you never realized how much there was to being a lady that you never knew, and you are a lady lol

[FalconAngel]

Knowing the vast majority of folks on this site, I doubt that it was intended to be any kind of disparagement. I think that it was just the way that the individual in question tends to speak.

I wouldn't read too much into it, but if a person is bothered by it and if that person is not Trans themselves, then perhaps a self exploration of why they are offended for others (who are quite capable of being offended for themselves) may be in order.

Maybe I just see things differently since I've seen so many different ways that people are all over the world, so unless it is clearly meant to be offensive, then I don't get worked up about it.

But I do agree that we should not reduce people to being just labels.




...i really hate the title of this thread...

transgendered /transsexual folk are just as human as anyone else!

...Please dont dehumanise people by reducing a sexual encounter with someone who identifies as 'trans' to some kind of freak show... this is meant to be a safe space.... julie sighs in frustration...

.. my own experience, of such, was simply of a tender loving intimate experience with someone who i wanted to be so very close to, and who wanted to be so very close to me... so no different to consensual sex with sex with anyone else really.

can we be a bit more sensitive about the labels we use please?

Julie



:female:

[flexuality]

This thread is confusing me....LOL!

Having read through these forums a LOT (I spend way too much time here sometimes lol) I do not believe that ANYONE who has posted in this thread so far (with the possible exception of the original post and one other) is UNSUPPORTIVE of Transsexuals.

So why do people seem to be attacking each other if we're all on the same page??

One of the first threads I ever read when I first came here was one by LDD and it was his post about transsexuals. Funny enough, it was that post that was very influencial in my seeing this as a very supportive community of ALL people.

I think we all agree that the original post here seemed rather uninformed and they did use a term that is not exactly the best term to use.

At least they didn't bash the hell out of anyone....they just came across as a bit ignorant.

Some of us chose to see the humorous side of that, rather than be offended by it. It has nothing to do with transsexuals.

Some people seem to be choosing to be offended at those who choose not to be offended.

No wonder I'm confused.....lol!

[wanderingrichard]

How do you have sex with a transmission? or am I missing something.
lol i was thinking the same thing................

[wanderingrichard]

'course it's probably better than sex with the brake pads...all those sudden stops...then they just run ya over.....kinda makes me dizzy...

note that is DIZZY....not ditzy....LOL!!! :bigrin:

better be careful where you put yer "AHEM" when doin it with brake pads.. they have a tendency to slam together.................

[flexuality]

better be careful where you put yer "AHEM" when doin it with brake pads.. they have a tendency to slam together.................

LOL! ouch!!!

thank god sol's been trained as a mechanic! and we have plenty of bandaids.....wait a minute...I wasn't gonna DO anything with the brake pads.....lol!!! :tong:

[Solomon]

looks at flex an puts up his trusty wrench Cover me! i'm goin in!

personally, i think that there wasn't any harm intended on the part of the thread starter... maybe some ignorance, but then i hafta confess that i'm a little ignorant too, i don't choose to be ignorant, just am sometimes. noone's ever told me that calling a transgendered person a trannie would be offensive. so i fail to see any reason for me to assume they would be offended, or even to think of why they might take offense.

and i also think that the transgendered have just as much of a right to let me know that they feel offended by anything i say. at which upon realizing that maybe i said something offensive would try to talk about it an learn something. and then i would at least have an understanding about the name business.

i think that not even giving someone a chance to talk about the situation before judging and criticizing and condemning is simply promoting further ignorance.

[Long Duck Dong]

lol solomon, all of my trans friends have no objection to the term * trannie * depending on how it is used

I asked around and they do not find the title to be offensive, its referring to sexual contact with a trans natured person...and a few of them asked *why on earth would somebody wanna make out with a transmission ?? *

however they did say, that if the thread title was * sex with a trannie freak * then there would be a issue, as its stating that trans natured people are freak

they feel that the term * trannie * has multi meanings, and can mean transgender / transsexual, post / pre op, and how the hell a abbreviated term can be deemed as dehumanising to trans natured people, is beyond them

as a few of them said * how about the trans natured people step up to the plate, and tell the world how they feel about certain words *

[Solomon]

phew! that's good to hear, i like makin friends, and truth be known would very much look forward to having sex with flex and the right transgendered person :cool:

although one thing i think to note here, would definately be the limitations of text. like ya'll can't see that my facial expressions and body language says that i'm being attentive, and still very friendly and approachable.... and the tone of my voice is proportionate to the signals my body is sending.

the reason i think it needs to be noted is that text can be VERY decieving! and i think the natural tendency would be to implant our own body languages and voice inflections into the text we're reading at the time..... can make for a very confusing message! :eek:

i know that for alot of messages i hafta constantly remind myself that the person on the other end just might be having a better day than me at the time. :cool:

[TidewaterVA1]

You may rest easy now tommy...for I am not the Scottish lass in question...I was letting Tidewater know that Darkeyes is not Irish...and very much the Scottish lass! As for myself...better guard yourself against my Southern Belle attitude and my Fiddle Dee Dee's!! LOL!! Ever been belled??? LOL

Hugs,
Kate

I love those Fiddle Dee Dee's. I bet Miss Kate is a cute as the original in Gone With the Wind. And She is from Georgia.............

Steve

[julie]

well... I guess some people missed what I was saying earlier ???

so I will put it in english .... WHAT IS allowed in bisexual.com that is not gonna cause offense ?????

I am not saying that people objecting to the word * trannie * are wrong or that their opinion is wrong, what I am asking is how are people allowed to refer to the subject of sexual contact with transexuals ???

shall we use the PC term ??

intimate and personal relations with a person that is regarded as gender confused, or who is gender secure and in a state of transition

btw softfruit, I am a veteran counsellor / therapist, and I should post the 118 page rule book on pc terms that we are to use in regards to people

did you know that as a counselor you are to refer to transexuals as * gender undefined * or * gender in transition *, they are to be regarded as * person with a gender identity disorder *.... thats hardly placing transgender in the class of humans with feelings ....and thats the offical counselling community that is meant to be supporting and helping people

for anybody that thinks I am disrespectful to transgender, they need to click on my name and search thru the forum for the thread I wrote defending the rights and identity of transsexuals as * one of the family *
they also need to meet my real life transgender friends, who think I am one of the nicest, most respectful guys around.... cos I attempt to walk in their shoes and understand life from their point of view


Words continue to fail me LDD your arrogance astounds me!

you refer to yourself as a veteran counsellor? i thought i'd picked that up earlier in one of your posts but decided i must be mistaken as no credible counsellor(in my BACP code of ethics) could be so insensitive to post the crass little sticks n stones ditty that you posted and softfruit quoted in her dignified and sensitive response to you.

have your transgender friends read your posts in full LDD or just the edited parts you have used in your responses here.

because, as a counsellor myself, if they have read and accepted all you have said here... this would cause me to question their deep rooted self esteem issues and denial patterns in regards to their own human worth.


julie :female:

ps as someone else said earlier this have nothing to to with being PC and everything to do with respecting human rights... of those of us in our own community to boot!

[Tommy2020]

This thread is confusing me....LOL!

Having read through these forums a LOT (I spend way too much time here sometimes lol) I do not believe that ANYONE who has posted in this thread so far (with the possible exception of the original post and one other) is UNSUPPORTIVE of Transsexuals.

So why do people seem to be attacking each other if we're all on the same page??

One of the first threads I ever read when I first came here was one by LDD and it was his post about transsexuals. Funny enough, it was that post that was very influencial in my seeing this as a very supportive community of ALL people.

I think we all agree that the original post here seemed rather uninformed and they did use a term that is not exactly the best term to use.

At least they didn't bash the hell out of anyone....they just came across as a bit ignorant.

Some of us chose to see the humorous side of that, rather than be offended by it. It has nothing to do with transsexuals.

Some people seem to be choosing to be offended at those who choose not to be offended.

No wonder I'm confused.....lol!

I have included Flex's comment here out of respect to her opinions and comments and to demonstrate a respectful way to disagree with any posting.

I am confused also...
Seriously (if anyone can believe that) this constant "taking offense" is exactly the same thing that caused 'Trip 1' to sign off out of disgust at the constant disparaging (sp) comments that are posted because someone, anyone claims hurt, embarrasment, anger, at a posting that they might not necessariuly agree with. Twas the anger shown in the disagreeing response. Not like "Trolling" but in your face, repulsive disagreement. Check out Trip 1's postings and see where he finally reached the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. He was just frustrated that he or anyone else could not post anything without having a conflicting response that was forever there.
I think that for the majority of the souls here in this forum, we take the time to understand the need for respect and courtesy. But, occasionally, (and I am guilty of this as much as other guilty partiies,) it's like the urge to urinate on someone else's opinion takes over, and we just blurt out the first thing that comes to our little pointy heads. And boom, someone like Trip 1 is gone from this forum because I (or anyone else) just did not check myself before commenting and taking a very coarse approach at disagreeing. I am on my soapbox again and I apologize to this amazing group of people that have welcomed me into their fold so graciously.
This is my contribution to this thread and may you all have a great and wonderful day......
Luvya,
Tommy2020

[weskain77]

Wow. I think everyone needs to take a breath. The whole idea here isn't to dehumanize someone- Boys are different than girls, girls and different than transgendered people, and so on. Due to generalized body types and genitalia, sex (in a very broad sense) is inherently different. And any curiousity about having sex with any other gender you are not familiar with is only natural. Especially when one of them is in the extreme minority (transgendered). Sensitivity is always an issue- but relax!

There is a chat room geared towards "men talking to men". It's not saying that the men aren't human, or are just sexual tools- it is merely a forum in which men interested in sex with other men can discuss it. This thread, is meant to discuss those curious about sex with a transgendered person.

yikes- it gets way too spikey in here way to quickly.

-W

[Long Duck Dong]

mmm julie, I am a veteran counsellor in real life, this is the net

I do have a personal life, and I don't run my private / personal / business life by the same set of rules

read up on georgina byers...one of my trannie friends and former mayor in NZ
or how about carmen, world famous transgender, used to run one of the most famous coffee shops in nz

they are some of my friends.... aka the * trannie grannies *, and some of the same people that read the full thread and passed comment.... their comments were simple ... " Whats the big deal about the word * trannie * its just a word "

[dandybeat]

I am a trans guy (born female and transitioned to male through hormones and surgery). I am a social worker and I also do trans 101 trainings for various places. I do find this thread offensive as using the word 'trannie' in and of itself is offensive for most trans people. For a few people it is not offensive. Some individuals have reclaimed the word to mean something positive. However, if one is not trans it does come off sounding offensive. In terms of the content of the thread it also comes off sounding somewhat offensive. There are implications (either intentional or unintentional) that having sex with a trans person would be unique or rare or something to exploit or discuss. When I discuss my sex life I don't do it in terms of saying I had sex with a bio person or a trans person. I say male and female. No matter if the person physically transitioned or not. That being said, I think that this site is mostly trans positive and anything that comes across as offensive I think is due to ignorance not phobia.

[Long Duck Dong]

and this is the point where i ask, just what is acceptable to post in a forum

if we take a survey of what is acceptable to use and what is not.... we will end up with 95% of the forum deemed offensive.....

I fully accept that people are finding the word * trannie * to be offensive.... I don't deny that..... but i am asking, if people are suggesting that cos they find it offensive, that no others may post that word

as for the remark about demeaning sexual contact with a trans person, well the same can be said about ANY post regarding sex and sexual contact... in which case, we need to remove 95% of the forum that discusses sex and sexual contact in a manner that can be seen as demeaning

part of the other aspect, is people are referring to sex and sexual acts... and this is a sex orientated site....so oh course they are gonna discuss sex and sexual acts.....

as one of my trans friends said, clearly.... * people are discussing sex with a trans person... they are not discussing my sex life, how can discussing sex with a trans person, be demeaning to me, unless it was my sex life they are discussing *

[julie]

I am a trans guy (born female and transitioned to male through hormones and surgery). I am a social worker and I also do trans 101 trainings for various places. I do find this thread offensive as using the word 'trannie' in and of itself is offensive for most trans people. For a few people it is not offensive. Some individuals have reclaimed the word to mean something positive. However, if one is not trans it does come off sounding offensive. In terms of the content of the thread it also comes off sounding somewhat offensive. There are implications (either intentional or unintentional) that having sex with a trans person would be unique or rare or something to exploit or discuss. When I discuss my sex life I don't do it in terms of saying I had sex with a bio person or a trans person. I say male and female. No matter if the person physically transitioned or not. That being said, I think that this site is mostly trans positive and anything that comes across as offensive I think is due to ignorance not phobia.

This is what i was trying to convey dandybeat when i first highlighted my own reservations towards some of the content of this thread. You put this so succinctly.

For me, when i witness behaviour/ language that feels oppressive, i choose to address it. To do otherwise would be to not only condone, but also collude with the occasional ignorance you speak of in your final paragraph dandybeat.

plus, whatever LDD and his 'trannie grannie' friends may find offensive or otherwise, i personally believe that it should not be left to the perceived oppressed group members to challenge such ignorance in our community... any more than it is ok for an able bodied person to minimise or turn a blind eye to ignorance regards disability, a white person to disregard prejudicial behaviour towards a black person etc.

so, if i have made myself unpopular on here by highlighting such ignorant attitudes, well so be it. rather that than to stay silent so as not to rattle the cage of the powerful ones, who seem to believe they have the authority to speak for others over what is or could be deemed offensive or otherwise.

if nothing else, my speaking out has initiated debate and created a platform for those of us who identify as trans to enter this discussion, in the sure knowledge that at least one non trans person is empathic to any possible offence they may experience should they speak out.

thats really all i feel the need to say on this.

julie


:female:

[Long Duck Dong]

i have said it before and i will say it again.....

I am fully well aware that some members find the usage of the word * trannie * to be offensive......and I fully accept that....

now I will try again ... WHAT WORD IS ACCEPTABLE ????

we has established that trannie is not acceptable.... so is somebody gonna share a list of suitable names in the forum, in regards to trans gender / trans sexual

I have a list,
trans folk
trans people
trans community

the issue is that trans sexual / trans transvestite / trans gender covers a large range of people..... so how about they suggest a more suitable term for people like me to use in the forum

btw, how it is regarded that its ok to refer to people and their wording, as ignorant, is beyond me.....its a bit hypocritical to imply that people are ignorant and see that as not offensive

[flexuality]

This is what i was trying to convey dandybeat when i first highlighted my own reservations towards some of the content of this thread. You put this so succinctly.

For me, when i witness behaviour/ language that feels oppressive, i choose to address it. To do otherwise would be to not only condone, but also collude with the occasional ignorance you speak of in your final paragraph dandybeat.

plus, whatever LDD and his 'trannie grannie' friends may find offensive or otherwise, i personally believe that it should not be left to the perceived oppressed group members to challenge such ignorance in our community... any more than it is ok for an able bodied person to minimise or turn a blind eye to ignorance regards disability, a white person to disregard prejudicial behaviour towards a black person etc.

so, if i have made myself unpopular on here by highlighting such ignorant attitudes, well so be it. rather that than to stay silent so as not to rattle the cage of the powerful ones, who seem to believe they have the authority to speak for others over what is or could be deemed offensive or otherwise.

if nothing else, my speaking out has initiated debate and created a platform for those of us who identify as trans to enter this discussion, in the sure knowledge that at least one non trans person is empathic to any possible offence they may experience should they speak out.

thats really all i feel the need to say on this.

julie


:female:

Julie,

You are a sweet and caring person.

I am only replying at this point because of something you just said:

"For me, when i witness behaviour/ language that feels oppressive, i choose to address it. To do otherwise would be to not only condone, but also collude with the occasional ignorance ......"

I am witnessing behaviour/language that feels oppressing to me.

Please accept this with the caring in which I am intending on sending it. I am feeling oppressed by the things you keep posting in this thread.

I am feeling as though I should not ask questions unless I know the proper terminology, that I should somehow have a complete and accurate understanding of the trans community prior to even participating in a conversation about it. I feel as though my humour (which sometimes is the best medicine) is going to be taken way out of context and slammed.

So I remained silent. Oppressed.

I wanted to post a reply saying that I thought LDD's sticks and stones was funny.....but I didn't because I felt that you would attack me for it, when in fact the thing I found funny about it had nothing to do with this thread at all.

My mother happens to fit that "revised" sticks and stones to a "T."

Yeah, I can be an ignorant bonehead sometimes. I can be arrogant, a smartass and overbearing "defend the helpless" kind of person.

I appreciate that you are standing up for the trans community, but are you defending your right to do so, so loudly that no on else can be heard?

I am posting this reply because I respect you Julie.
**hugs**

[darkeyes]

I cant say I agree with all of Julie's posts either Flex darling, but I cant say I have felt oppressed by them or any other post have ever seen in threads. I simply will not allow it..its not in my nature.. if I see something with which I disagree strongly or feel is intimidatory, I try as best I can to address it, just my love as you have by posting as you have...

Disagreement is what leads to enlightenment and ultimately human progress, and those who leave or get huffy because of things they have read or feel oppressed by fail both themselves and the community at large. Far better to stand our ground and argue our point.. and besides, I am sufficient of a bitch and mouthy enough to make sure if I am on a loser, the gob will make sure my ship sinks with all guns blazing! Not exactly orgasmic..but close!

Keep it up babe..win or lose, argument is about passion, and is why we are as a species who we are and also where we are.

[Solomon]

i dunno eyes, i am mostly a failure that fortune sometimes takes pity on. i just tend to fail at alot more things lol. i can't change anybody, hell i have a hard enough time trying to change me.

i do envy and respect the attitude of "going out with both guns blazing", but as i get older i'm starting to realize that you women have alot more stamina than i do....

all i can do is to present my perspective an hope it's not fucked up too much lol.

just my two cents :2cents: :tong: :bigrin:

[julie]

Julie,

You are a sweet and caring person.

I am only replying at this point because of something you just said:

"For me, when i witness behaviour/ language that feels oppressive, i choose to address it. To do otherwise would be to not only condone, but also collude with the occasional ignorance ......"

I am witnessing behaviour/language that feels oppressing to me.

Please accept this with the caring in which I am intending on sending it. I am feeling oppressed by the things you keep posting in this thread.

I am feeling as though I should not ask questions unless I know the proper terminology, that I should somehow have a complete and accurate understanding of the trans community prior to even participating in a conversation about it. I feel as though my humour (which sometimes is the best medicine) is going to be taken way out of context and slammed.

So I remained silent. Oppressed.

I wanted to post a reply saying that I thought LDD's sticks and stones was funny.....but I didn't because I felt that you would attack me for it, when in fact the thing I found funny about it had nothing to do with this thread at all.

My mother happens to fit that "revised" sticks and stones to a "T."

Yeah, I can be an ignorant bonehead sometimes. I can be arrogant, a smartass and overbearing "defend the helpless" kind of person.

I appreciate that you are standing up for the trans community, but are you defending your right to do so, so loudly that no on else can be heard?

I am posting this reply because I respect you Julie.
**hugs**

Hey Flex,

i guess we all have things that we cant stay silent about because they touch on stuff so deep inside ourselves.....

firstly, you feel oppressed at my distress at LDDs sticks and stones poem because you feel i might be angry at you for finding it funny?. i guess i want to say, so what if you find his poem funny and i feel angry with you? ( i dont feel angry with you as it happens, but you feared that i might do and that is what i think is important here)... your amusement is your response, my anger is my response. Both responses come from the heart and are equally valid... it is not my place to deny you your amusement any more than it is your place to deny me my(perceived) anger at you.

i have learned so much from so many people in these forums flex. you, tasha and solomon spoke from the heart about your own experiences of incestuous relationships. i learned, through my own intuitive empathy, by accepting your invitation to view your experiences from your own perspectives rather than societies value judgements.

in the same way, i speak from my heart when i express my distress at what i experience as dehumanising language regards anyone. i have said all i want to say regards trans issues but i will speak a little more personally regards my own response to the sticks and stones poem posted by someone who refers to them self as a counsellor.

for as far back as i can remember (probably from being around age 4years) i was brought up on the original version of that poem by my mum. whilst my dad constantly referred to in the first person as Stupid. 'here comes Stupid' like it was my name, etc etc. my mum, unaware of my dads covert behaviour, drummed into me that 'names would never hurt me' and so i took on board the name calling and believed it to be true. repressing my pain because that little poem said that pain was invalid.. it had no place in reality.

as i grew older, i continued to take on board others negative valuing of myself as truth, whilst continuing to suppress and repress my own invalidated pain. interestingly enough, i grew up with no self esteem, had no concept of my own perception of my feelings and moved from the physical and emotional abuse as a child to constantly putting myself in sexually, spiritually and emotionally abusive situations as an adult. indulging in such self harming behaviours caused me such intense pain and suffering almost up to my death, by a nearly successful suicide attempt five years ago.

my saving grace, in addition to my faith, has been my experiential learning though counselling training and practice. here, i finally learned how personality develops and the power of language and humour both in its ability to create an amazing healing, freeing environment and equally its power to create deep psychological pain and shame.

i tell my story, not for sympathy, for this is the past and i have dealt with it now. i tell it in the context of how it informs what i speak out about.

anyone may read all this and just think 'silly cow, get a life' or whatever... you are as entitled to your thoughts as much as i am entitled to mine. they are certainly no less valid than mine.

my speaking out is really about awareness raising and maybe giving something back to this community i have received so much from?. i do apologise if my posts have come across as intimidating... that is not my intention, despite my writing with deep passion about subjects close to my heart. my expression of distaste for the tile of this thread was fuelled by my concerns for the route this thread was taking... my intention was just to say... 'have you heard what we are saying here?.. lets just look at it another way!

my intention always,is not to oppress but empower. i'm sorry if that message got buried under my own frazzled responses here.

thank you for your kind and empathic response to me flex, i always value your posts, whether i agree or disagree with them doesnt really matter..... does it?

love julie :female:

[gjmwbimale48]

I personally have had a relationship with a pre-op transexual.... I met her one day at noon when i dropped into a rather high class strip-bar for their lunch special.... she was my waitress.

it was rather slow and she sat down and talked with me for a while. when i left she gave me her phone number.... this woman was drop down dead beautiful!!

when i finally screwed up the nerve to call her a few days later. she told me that she figured i hadn't called sooner because i had "found out". "found out what i asked?" "well" she said "that i'm a trannie dear." (her exact words)

"wow" i said in disbelief, "that is sooo cool." "thats a relief" she said " i kinda got the impression that you were openminded. So you are bi then?" I laughed... We talked for a while on the phone then arranged a date. we had a blast.... went to the zoo, the aquarium, the botanical gardens.... and a small new mexican resturant for dinner.

She was a ton of fun ....
both in bed and out of bed (though because she was on "mones" as she put it, her naughty bit was semi non-functional, erection wise)

without going into the sordid details, she was one of the smartest, kindest, funniest, most athletic (she skied like an angel), and horniest women i have ever had the pleasure to spend time with.....

shortly after i moved to Colorado, she went back to Trinidad (CO) for her final SRS....

we stayed in close touch via daily e-mails for a little over a year , and then she moved to Arizona.... went to work for a video production company, as a comptroller.... and married one of the line producers.

Occasionally we still exchange e-mails....

[julie]

...what a gorgeous positive experience you two shared, good for you gjmw. :)

love julie x

[Keliana]

It's not the terminology that's offensive, it's the manner it which it was used which can be deemed offensive or endearing.

The word "trannie" can be offensive to many transsexuals. To some it's just a slang term used to describe someone who is transgendered. I personally don't like the term, but that's me.

The way in which the author used it was offensive, because of the manner in which he used the term. He de-humanized the individual and stereotyped transgendered people to all be that way.

For anyone who's been to Hawaii, we use the word "haole". It is used to refer to white people, but is actually means "foreigner" (in it's original Hawaiian definition). "Haole" can be used in a derogatory way, or to merely refer to a person of the white race. It depends on how it is used.


It may all seem like semantics and arguing over petty definitions to most, but for the transgender person who has to face society on a daily basis, it can be emotionally devestating.

"Sticks and stones" can only go so far when someone is faced with adversity on a daily basis. Where's the compassion people?

On that note, I leave this post with a quote from Martin Luther King Jr.:


"I look forward confidently to the day when all who work for a living will be one with no thought to their separateness as Negroes, Jews, Italians or any other distinctions. This will be the day when we bring into full realization the American dream -- a dream yet unfulfilled. A dream of equality of opportunity, of privilege and property widely distributed; a dream of a land where men will not take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few; a dream of a land where men will not argue that the color of a man's skin determines the content of his character; a dream of a nation where all our gifts and resources are held not for ourselves alone, but as instruments of service for the rest of humanity; the dream of a country where every man will respect the dignity and worth of the human personality."

Peace and blessings,

Keliana :female: :2cents:

[biwords]

((((((No one is going to think of you as a "silly cow", dear Julie!))))))

[BreeIsMe]

Julie,
THANK YOU!!

I am SO disappointed that people on this website are so insensitive to demean people like myself who are struggling to become true to themselves. Transgendered people are just that, PEOPLE! Granted there are some people out there that use their bodies for gain and imitate transgendered people by having breast implants and then going around on pornographic websites and as hookers who are "trannies" but they should never be confused with a true transgendered person. We are loving, caring individuals who simply have a biologic deficiency in a hormone, hormone receptor or other cellular process that essentially creates a gender mismatch. Believe me, this is no cakewalk and is not something that is easily dealt with. Rather than being crass and demeaning, maybe people should try being more understanding????


Bree

For those who
...i really hate the title of this thread...

transgendered /transsexual folk are just as human as anyone else!

...Please dont dehumanise people by reducing a sexual encounter with someone who identifies as 'trans' to some kind of freak show... this is meant to be a safe space.... julie sighs in frustration...

.. my own experience, of such, was simply of a tender loving intimate experience with someone who i wanted to be so very close to, and who wanted to be so very close to me... so no different to consensual sex with sex with anyone else really.

can we be a bit more sensitive about the labels we use please?

Julie



:female:

[JeanClaude]

Getting back to the "intention of this thread"

The idea of sex with a "tranny" is definitely food for fantasy. The bulk of the readers of bisexual.com, I'm fairly sure, have never hooked up with anyone they have met on this site. Sex is 90% mental anyhow, and as we "surf" for our erotic high of the day... jumping onto the sheets with a post-op does in fact get a rating on the hornscale high enough to warrant further pursuit. Being an extremely oral person in the first place, I find myself wondering if my oral abilities would even be strong enough to bring a "tranny" to orgasm. Never have spending any time with a person with this much dedication to pursuing their sexual identification, or with a person that had those kinds of disposable funds to follow up on their physical desires, I would, at the very least, .... be humbled in their presence. A born female gendered girl, with a nice ass, takes it for granite that her derriere strikes a nice sounding chord in a male partner and lets it go at that... but I think a transgender with an equally attractive glutimus maximus, would get off a little more listening to a bedmate tell her how attracted he is to that butt. Just a thought, maybe I'm wrong. There are three types of lovers, as I see it. There are takers, givers, and takers that say that they are givers.... If the conversation were to come up prior to engaging in sex, most people would fall into the third catagory. As we "perform" in the bedroom, most of our actions are reactions off of unspoken clues that we perceive in our bedmates, and in my food for fantasy lunch... I believe that kickin it with a "tranny" would be memorable, as I suspect they are very "reactive" to any nonverbal or spoken clues their partners give. This makes me want to start a thread of my own.

[Keliana]

Getting back to the "intention of this thread"

The idea of sex with a "tranny" is definitely food for fantasy. The bulk of the readers of bisexual.com, I'm fairly sure, have never hooked up with anyone they have met on this site. Sex is 90% mental anyhow, and as we "surf" for our erotic high of the day... jumping onto the sheets with a post-op does in fact get a rating on the hornscale high enough to warrant further pursuit. Being an extremely oral person in the first place, I find myself wondering if my oral abilities would even be strong enough to bring a "tranny" to orgasm. Never have spending any time with a person with this much dedication to pursuing their sexual identification, or with a person that had those kinds of disposable funds to follow up on their physical desires, I would, at the very least, .... be humbled in their presence. A born female gendered girl, with a nice ass, takes it for granite that her derriere strikes a nice sounding chord in a male partner and lets it go at that... but I think a transgender with an equally attractive glutimus maximus, would get off a little more listening to a bedmate tell her how attracted he is to that butt. Just a thought, maybe I'm wrong. There are three types of lovers, as I see it. There are takers, givers, and takers that say that they are givers.... If the conversation were to come up prior to engaging in sex, most people would fall into the third catagory. As we "perform" in the bedroom, most of our actions are reactions off of unspoken clues that we perceive in our bedmates, and in my food for fantasy lunch... I believe that kickin it with a "tranny" would be memorable, as I suspect they are very "reactive" to any nonverbal or spoken clues their partners give. This makes me want to start a thread of my own.
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Hmmm..strange. You make being a "tranny" sound like a being from outer space. Someone who's feelings are so different from another. An m2f transsexual for most part has the same emotions, wants, desires and fears as any other woman. Goes the same for f2m's as well with being men.
Meet one, talk to them and get to know one beyond the sexual side. I think you'll find them to be no different from yourself... just a human being.

[flexuality]

Granted there are some people out there that use their bodies for gain and imitate transgendered people by having breast implants and then going around on pornographic websites and as hookers who are "trannies" but they should never be confused with a true transgendered person.

That is an excellent point and where I think a lot of misunderstanding and confusion comes from.

Prior to coming to this site, my only "knowledge" (and I use that word loosely! lol) of trans people was from porn.

What I have learned is that there is a huge difference between the porn portrayal and a true transgendered person.

[BreeIsMe]

YES Keliana!!!!!!!!


You tell them

You are EXACTLY correct. We are people no different and definitely not into kinky sex or someother misconception. I am a woman and want to be just that....

Bree


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Hmmm..strange. You make being a "tranny" sound like a being from outer space. Someone who's feelings are so different from another. An m2f transsexual for most part has the same emotions, wants, desires and fears as any other woman. Goes the same for f2m's as well with being men.
Meet one, talk to them and get to know one beyond the sexual side. I think you'll find them to be no different from yourself... just a human being.

[onewhocares]

To think that a MTF or a FTM is anything less than a caring, honest, compassionate human like you or I is ridiculous. What misperceptions are perpetuated by sterotypes. Well, I happen to know a MTF who is all of the above and SO SO much more. I have had the pleasure of being in her company and she is intelligent, humerous, enlightening, sassy and well an incredible lover. ( I would say more, but modesty will make me blush) I have noticed that the assets that she possessed as a man make her such a even and well rounded women, one whom I would love to call a friend. As a "man" he possessed a sense of understanding like no other man I have yet to meet. Guess it comes down to treating others as you would like to be treated.


Belle

[mcliff128]

I would love to have sex with a tranny. If I ever get the chance to be with one i'm going for it. They are sexy.

[DeafF2M]

That is an excellent point and where I think a lot of misunderstanding and confusion comes from.

Prior to coming to this site, my only "knowledge" (and I use that word loosely! lol) of trans people was from porn.

What I have learned is that there is a huge difference between the porn portrayal and a true transgendered person.

Too right! Most people only known of transpeople through porn and I think that's a damn shame. We ARE people, just like everyone else...we work, we eat, we breathe and we sleep...and we have sex, just like everyone else. Guess what else? We have feelings and we bleed red, just like you.

I'm always at a loss when people treat us like we are freaks, aliens or some other anomally. I'm simply me. I'm a bisexual man, who happens to have different genitals from most men.

I'm always happy to educate others... It's the only way we as transgendered or transsexual people will earn respect from others.

[biecnal]

I (lance) have had sex with a TS (or whatever the PC word of the day is) and it was fantastic. As with anyone else one has sex with, it was unique.

By the way, the lovely, sexy person I had sex with identified herself as a "trannie" in her personal ad.

In my opinion, people get so hung up on "words" and "terms". A few examples...

My sexy wife, Jessica loves to be referred to as a "Slut". To others, this would be an insult.

An African American guy we play with sometimes calls his other black friends the "N" word. However, If I (being a white man) said that to his friends, I would probably get the living hell beat out of me!

I don't have the answer to the PC (politically correct) problem, but I think in many respects it is ridiculous. I don't believe the original poster intended any ill will towards anyone.

Just my :2cents:

Lance :-)

[DeafF2M]

I (lance) have had sex with a TS (or whatever the PC word of the day is) and it was fantastic. As with anyone else one has sex with, it was unique.

By the way, the lovely, sexy person I had sex with identified herself as a "trannie" in her personal ad.

In my opinion, people get so hung up on "words" and "terms". A few examples...

My sexy wife, Jessica loves to be referred to as a "Slut". To others, this would be an insult.

An African American guy we play with sometimes calls his other black friends the "N" word. However, If I (being a white man) said that to his friends, I would probably get the living hell beat out of me!

I don't have the answer to the PC (politically correct) problem, but I think in many respects it is ridiculous. I don't believe the original poster intended any ill will towards anyone.

Just my :2cents:

Lance :-)


Sure, easy for you to say.. You're not trans, black or whatever. you've never had those terms thrown in your face in a disrespectful manner.

Seriously, I do agree with you, up to a point. People do have too many hangups over words...

But, my point is.. if you really want to show respect.. ASK people what their preferences are first. It's not about being PC.. identities, labels, whatever you may call them are very personal things -- a lot of folks keep their labels very close to them.. others think labels are highly overrated. If your friend doesn't mind the "trannie" term, then great, but there are others who do not like the term. That's why I always advocate for, "ASK first"

[Keliana]

It's really sad to see the objectification of transsexuals. Many people don't understand the pain and condascending remarks ts's have to put up with. As if they were put on this earth to be used as a sexual toy or as nothing more than an object. These people go through a lot of psychological trauma to be who they truly are inside and those who take advantage of them are just feeding the problem.

Many views of transsexuals are skewed by "shemale" pornography and "tranny" prostitutes. You can't refer to all transsexuals as "shemales" and "trannies", just as you can't refer to all born women as "bitches" and "whores".

What we see depends mainly on what we look for. The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight, but has no vision.

I agree...Ask first. Some will take offense.

[onewhocares]

Well.......ok Southern Belles, stand next to me...for I am Belle (lest you think that I am lady of the South. I am a Northern girl thru and thru. What am I to do with all the people here. Have we learned nothing? People are people, be they male or female, North or South, East or West. When in the dark confines of our bed at night we each either dream or cry out to those who will make us whole. Man, I am so so tired of the times when we can not be who we truely think we should be? Guess WHAT? we are all the same under our skin. I wish I were a sage, a clairvoyant ( ok I DO NOT SPELL). But who could consider anything but the best for those who search amoung us?


Belle

[wss30152]

Any pre or post op in my area hit me up if your need a good fucking!

[maxtor]

oh gowd!! i would date and have sex with a ts/tv/tg if i could meet one. i would jump at the chance to maybe having a serious LTR with one. if there are any out there then please by all means contact me. i will pay you all the respect as if you were a biological woman, maybe more. that would be the ultimate same sex relationship.

contact me!!!

[Keliana]

Any pre or post op in my area hit me up if your need a good fucking!


Another rocket scientist...sigh

[julie]

Another rocket scientist...sigh

:rolleyes: grins j x

[open2both]

Sure!
And it was FAB-U-LOUS!
:bigrin:

[y4uasking]

yes I have and love it!!!!