Doublelist red flag

[Jazminedress]

I have been chatting with this guy for a little while, him and his wife were interested in all three of us getting together when I come down to SD, they are both BI, so it was kind of a win win.

Now suddenly, his wife is not available so it will just be me and him, and every time I ask for a picture of him, it's more of his wife.

I am starting to think this is a huge red flag of someone I don't want to be in a comprimised position with

[travelingman5000]

Sounds suspect. Are you still on DL anonymous email or have you moved to personal, real email accounts? Have you exchanged phone numbers? Is he being honest about anything?

[Rest85]

That's why I insist on having a face to face meeting in a semi public setting before agreeing to play. I have to get a vibe about someone. He shouldn't be changing stories. I would be concerned about that.

[Jazminedress]

That's why I insist on having a face to face meeting in a semi public setting before agreeing to play. I have to get a vibe about someone. He shouldn't be changing stories. I would be concerned about that.

yeah, I was thinking same thing

[prettyboy69]

Really fishy, I assure you its either a gay or bi guy playing the trick the straight guy into bi sex ....sounds so typical seen that so many times and experienced same scenario so many times

[Neonaught]

Wife and I used to run into this all the time on Adult Friend Finer. They claim to be a couple but the wife just never seems to be available to participate. Fucking game players!

[tenni]

a gay or bi guy playing the trick the straight guy into bi sex .

I don't think that there is such a thing as" bi sex"?.

If you are a straight guy, you do not have sex with men. (Only CIS women),

"bi sex"??? what is that?

If you are physically, and/or emotionally attracted to both men and women you are bisexual. You don't have to have sex with both genders but most bisexuals do have sex with more than one gender ( both men and women) over a period of time.

[CurEUs_Male]

Loads of red flags.... I's just steer clear of that guy.

[csreef]

Loads of red flags.... I's just steer clear of that guy.


I'll second that! STAY AWAY!!!

[KDaddy23]

For me, that's a very major red flag and I can't stand guys who do that shit...

[cornholejoe]

just stay away he not telling the truth i have met men like that on another dating site

[Jazminedress]

Really fishy, I assure you its either a gay or bi guy playing the trick the straight guy into bi sex ....sounds so typical seen that so many times and experienced same scenario so many times

I am pretty sure no one would think of me as a straight guy........lol

[Realist]

yeah, I was thinking same thing

Sorry meeting them turned out, that way. Sounds like they, or he, were into playing games... and not fun ones, either.

I had a similar experience: When I was in the Army, I'd never heard of a Polyamorous relationship. But I had a friend, who had secretly been studying those types of relationships. One day I discovered a French magazine, of his, that he'd inadvertently left in my car.

Back then, subjects like that were verboten in the Army and even a hint of deviant behavior could cause one retribution. So, when I told him I'd found his magazine and, asked him about the subject, he became nervous. He calmed down, when I insured him that I would keep his secret. There were many photos of same-gender, opposite gender, and multiple partners, but I couldn't read the script.

I kept bugging him, until he got me in a private spot, and told me he and his wife were thinking of bringing someone into their relationship. He'd never been with another male, but the thought had really inspired him.

Since he trusted me, I revealed that I was bisexual and could reveal that two guys could definitely spend some quality time together. Plus, if his wife was game to join in (Which was something that I hadn't done) but it sounded like fun, to me, also!

Eventually, they asked me to come and discuss the subject in more depth.

We ended up agreeing that I would introduce him to the possibilities of M/M, but his wife would only watch, if she wanted to. (She did) Then, when he gained some experience, I suggested that it was time for his wife could join us, if she wanted to. She had no qualms seeing us together and even began want to see more.

He was soon enjoying everything I introduced him to, including bottoming. (I've never been wild about it, myself, but he did enjoy getting topped anally.)

His wife watched us as long as she could stand it, then insisted that she should join us, too.

He really did not want her to join us, even though that was the initial agreement we made. He liked me watching them together, but could not stand his wife and me together, so he'd leave the room. She was great fun to be with and was pretty noisy, too! It really bugged him to hear her having an orgasm!

He could not stand us both being with her and one night we actually got into a fight!

He was fine when it was just him and me, but jealousy raised it's ugly head and his true colors were showing!

He told me to leave, she told me to stay! (I left, to let them sort things out, but thought I'd be back)

I had really enjoyed being with them both, just like we planned. But he chose to ruin what could have been a great arrangement! I never was with them again!

He was discharged before I was and they moved away. Luckily, I had one more opportunity to be with another married couple, a while later. That time, I knew enough to take things slower and tell them how badly my last opportunity had failed.

The 2nd attempt was sublime and it lasted for about 13 months. But being a career soldier, he was transferred... so they had to go. I got out of the Army and always hoped to find another polyamorous relationship like that, but didn't.

At least, one of the two attempts was fruitful!

So, maybe you've learned the same lesson I did, back long ago and. You're next attempt may be just as good, or even better than mine was!

It's true, sad and disastrous experiences, can be great teachers!

[Jazminedress]

I don't think that there is such a thing as" bi sex"?.

If you are a straight guy, you do not have sex with men. (Only CIS women),

"bi sex"??? what is that?

If you are physically, and/or emotionally attracted to both men and women you are bisexual. You don't have to have sex with both genders but most bisexuals do have sex with more than one gender ( both men and women) over a period of time.

I do agree with you on that,if I understand you correct. Its the capacity for the attraction to both, not necessarily the act itself ?

[Jazminedress]

Back then, subjects like that were verboten in the Army and even a hint of deviant behavior could cause one retribution.

I remember those days

[tenni]

I do agree with you on that,if I understand you correct. Its the capacity for the attraction to both, not necessarily the act itself ?

Yes Jazz it is the capacity to be attracted to both genders that define bisexuality. We do not know but one possibility may be that the wife withdrew her consent(nerves etc.) . She wanted 2 men and one is a CD initially but changed her mind. Some bisexuals take several tries to make the attraction a reality of sexual action.

This is only a possibility and the more commented was negatively to the husband actions

[Jazminedress]

[QUOTE=tenni;370891]Yes Jazz it is the capacity to be attracted to both genders that define bisexuality. We do not know but one possibility may be that the wife withdrew her consent(nerves etc.) . She wanted 2 men and one is a CD initially but changed her mind. Some bisexuals take several tries to make the attraction a reality of sexual action.

This is only a possibility and the more commented was negatively to the husband actions[/

Being what I am, I always have to be extra careful of setups, there is a ton of crazy out there

[tenni]

What the wife may be showing is her internalized Biphobia. The fears that cause bisexuals to deny their same sex attraction and behaviours. Rejecting her attraction to women or in this case her rejection of a CD male.

[Jazminedress]

What the wife may be showing is her internalized Biphobia. The fears that cause bisexuals to deny their same sex attraction and behaviours. Rejecting her attraction to women or in this case her rejection of a CD male.

Yeah, it could be many things, it could also be their first time inviting someone in, or, it could be the guy is a psychopath. Either way I politely backed away. If it is marriage issue, I want no part of that, if he is psycho, there can't be two of us in the room, just doesn't mesh well

[KDaddy23]

"Bi sex" is just an... easy way to define how bisexuals have sex. There's straight sex and gay sex... so why not bi sex? It's all sex but humans, well, we're just "nitpicky" like this and as much as we seem to hate sexuality labels these days, we still have a need to call something... something and I think it would be obvious that bi means both and sex is - and should be - self-explanatory.

I've been in that situation where either the husband or wife finds out that having sex like this isn't something they can wrap their heads around. We... don't share easily and things like jealousy tend to crop up and, eventually, mess things up. I've been in foursomes and have seen the other guy in the mix lose his shit when the women get to playing and the opposite when the boys are doing their thing. This always seems to be a good idea on paper but that's usually when someone finds that they can't handle seeing their partner having sex with someone else and having the nerve to enjoy it, too.

[tenni]

"Bi sex" is just an... easy way to define how bisexuals have sex. There's straight sex and gay sex... so why not bi sex? It's all sex but humans, well.

KD
Straight sex involves male and female. It often involve the male penetrating the female.

Gay sex involves two or more people of the same gender involved in sexual activities.

You have not defined bi sex?. What is it? How many people are involved? What sex activities are involved?

If two people have same sex activities , how do I know whether it is gay sex or bi sex?

Add to the mix, what type of sex do two same sex people have if one identifies as gay and one identifies as bisexual? Are they having bi sex? Gay sex or?

I was told by a bisexual woman that even though she was in a same sex long term relationship with a woman, she still identified as bisexual and did not want to be seen as gay.

[Long Duck Dong]

Yeah, it could be many things, it could also be their first time inviting someone in, or, it could be the guy is a psychopath. Either way I politely backed away. If it is marriage issue, I want no part of that, if he is psycho, there can't be two of us in the room, just doesn't mesh well

Lol... I read your second part and almost choked on my coffee...lol.......could almost see the grin on your face as you wrote it

[Long Duck Dong]

"Bi sex" is just an... easy way to define how bisexuals have sex. There's straight sex and gay sex... so why not bi sex? It's all sex but humans, well, we're just "nitpicky" like this and as much as we seem to hate sexuality labels these days, we still have a need to call something... something and I think it would be obvious that bi means both and sex is - and should be - self-explanatory.

I've been in that situation where either the husband or wife finds out that having sex like this isn't something they can wrap their heads around. We... don't share easily and things like jealousy tend to crop up and, eventually, mess things up. I've been in foursomes and have seen the other guy in the mix lose his shit when the women get to playing and the opposite when the boys are doing their thing. This always seems to be a good idea on paper but that's usually when someone finds that they can't handle seeing their partner having sex with someone else and having the nerve to enjoy it, too.

My partner considers sex with her to be bi sex, she is intersex after all and capable of being * both roles * in the bedroom......

The problem with defining sex is the way that a person is seen as male or female, and the same for their partner, it ignores people that are gender neutral, agender, gender queer, gender fluid, and also uses a narrow stance of cock in pussy = straight, but ignores a female that may prefer pegging a guy......

So is a guy penetrating a female while being penetrated by another guy, having bi sex while the others are having straight and gay sex, lol......

As my partner would say, if a person is busy obsessing about labels, they clearly are not getting laid enough not to care about labels......

[Jazminedress]

Lol... I read your second part and almost choked on my coffee...lol.......could almost see the grin on your face as you wrote it

Actually, ummmmmmm funny thing, if wearing a corset, when meeting someone for the first time, I do have a 9mm in the pouch in it, if not wearing one, I made a holster that my small .22 can be at the top of my thing

[csreef]

Actually, ummmmmmm funny thing, if wearing a corset, when meeting someone for the first time, I do have a 9mm in the pouch in it, if not wearing one, I made a holster that my small .22 can be at the top of my thing

Damn!, You are beautiful and deadly all at the same time!

[Long Duck Dong]

Actually, ummmmmmm funny thing, if wearing a corset, when meeting someone for the first time, I do have a 9mm in the pouch in it, if not wearing one, I made a holster that my small .22 can be at the top of my thing


Well I quess that answers the question if thats a gun in your pocket or if you are happy to see me, lol......

I live in New Zealand and we have very strict gun laws, so carrying a concealed weapon is not an opinion....even carrying a pistol requires a firearms license with a B endorsement for pistol ownership and membership to a pistol club, and a pistol club is the only place that a person is allowed to carry in a open holster, unless they are law enforcement.

But if we were in the US, we would not be offended or insulted if you were carrying, quite the opposite.....and we would be more nervous around cops that were carrying, to be honest.....

[CurEUs_Male]

KD
Straight sex involves male and female. It often involve the male penetrating the female.

Gay sex involves two or more people of the same gender involved in sexual activities.

You have not defined bi sex?. What is it? How many people are involved? What sex activities are involved?

If two people have same sex activities , how do I know whether it is gay sex or bi sex?

Add to the mix, what type of sex do two same sex people have if one identifies as gay and one identifies as bisexual? Are they having bi sex? Gay sex or?

I was told by a bisexual woman that even though she was in a same sex long term relationship with a woman, she still identified as bisexual and did not want to be seen as gay.


Sex is Sex.

People have orientations, but the act of sex is just that. When I have sex with my wife, it's not really 'Straight', because I am not, and it's not specifically 'Bi', because she is not. It's sex (hopefully, fulfilling and satisfying).

[rukiddingme]

Definitely red flags. I subscribe to a few sites hoping to find a good connection, and run into similar red flags. I have been interested in some profiles of bi couple's. However, several state that do to a variety of reasons the wife is no longer playing? Most of my sexual experiences have been with women, and to be fair, increasingly my sexual interest leans more for the male anyway. But when someone starts with a bit of deception "red flag", I lose all interest!

[TRICK69]

I met a guy once he asked me if he go info on me and used it againts me, I told him i would kill him. He then told me it was a joke. I said I am not. Then I said I was joking. It went down hill from then.

[darkeyes]

Sex is Sex.

People have orientations, but the act of sex is just that. When I have sex with my wife, it's not really 'Straight', because I am not, and it's not specifically 'Bi', because she is not. It's sex (hopefully, fulfilling and satisfying).Can't agree wivya, babes. Sex is more than just sex. Good or bad. If the best sex I had was merely fulfilling and satisfying I'd be just a tad disappointed. Sex can be and often is all that is good and all that is bad in human commitment to one another. The feelings of love, affection, desire and sometimes h8 may last but a very short time, but I have never ever found sex to be just sex. ��

[darkeyes]

Yes, quite Duckie. Makes me glad I live in a country where firearms are strictly controlled.. The right to bare arms is my right and everyone else's right to go about sleeveless in nice sunny weather.. at other times if they so wish. Not to keep a firearm concealed in their knickers or ne where else. We've had this debate more than once in .com over the years in forums and in chat when it was up and running, though not for a long time so you and I know how each other feels about the issue. My one visit to the USA increased my delight at living where I do even if I never was threatened by fuzz or civilian while in Seattle..

The police here, although not routinely armed, carry firearms and use them often it seems because they want to and increasing numbers of civilians, often unarmed, killed by them. Serpently far more than has hitherto been the case. We can argue sometime why that is, but I understand your last paragraph although I'm not sure I'd agree entirely with it.

[Long Duck Dong]

Living in a country where firearms are strictly controlled only sounds good on the surface.......

NZ also has one of the highest suicide rates in the OCED, one of the worst records for violence and bullying, the worst rating for domestic violence etc etc but hey we have very strict gun control, so your chances of being shot are very low......slow clap.......but yeah those bloody cops, right....should be keeping us safe from the society we created but doing it unarmed and unprotected, cos cops are simply not human beings like the rest of us.......

The government did a big song and dance with their banning of semi automatic and military style firearms after the CHCH shooting and still we are seeing an increase in gun violence because the types of guns banned, are not the type most commonly used in shootings.......and all they ended up doing is pissing off a lot of people who had done nothing right but lost their guns anyway, while pleasing people that are anti guns....

At the end of the day, I do not advocate for the right to bear arms nor do I oppose it, I abide by the law as and where required....and in the defense of home and property ( which is also a right we do not have in NZ, tho we do have the right to use reasonable force in self defense ), I will not use a gun to protect my property and loved ones, I am more than capable of beating the absolute shit out of people.....and the irony is I would rather not do that, because I would prefer that people simply respect my home and do not come to my door with violent intent......and also because beating the absolute fuck out of another person actually makes me no better than them.......


Guns are not the problem, a gun in a secure gun safe is no risk to any person, a gun in the hands of a trained professional is also generally not a risk......the problem is the person themselves, the agenda, the bias, the ego.......which is why we have very strict gun controls in NZ, yet violence is epidemically out of control.....but rather than acknowledge that we have created this society, we simply blame the cops, the justice system and the legal system, and say that banning guns is the answer, or just get rid of the cops cos mmmm cops bad, society not, right ????

[Jazminedress]

Yes, quite Duckie. Makes me glad I live in a country where firearms are strictly controlled.. The right to bare arms is my right and everyone else's right to go about sleeveless in nice sunny weather.. at other times if they so wish. Not to keep a firearm concealed in their knickers or ne where else.
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I would respectfully tell you, what you hear on the news about the USA "Wild west of firearms" is complete garbage, the only ones who believe it, want to believe it here. One thing you have to remember, if you have a few instances, multiply that we have 10 times the population, we also have unregulated illegal immigration into this country. near where I live, it used to be nice, has turned into gang banger hell now.......but that aside, we do have strong regulations, the only issue, criminals dont follow laws.

As an example, I have 13 friearms, Each one, I pay and go through a 10 day waiting period to take it home, while I go through a background check. Keep in mind, same background check for each and every one of them. Any criminal, violent, or abuse police reports can stop my purchase.

Now, I also have a license to carry a concealed weapon in almost every state. To get that, yep, I went through another even more in depth background check. The police interviewed my neighbors, and interviewed the CEO of my company.
After that, I had a mandatory training class to show I know how to handle it properly and go through the laws...................even after that, its only good for two years, then I get another background check, another training class.

Honestly, I would be happy to give up my guns, if our government secured our border, and actually prosecuted criminals, but they wont. I am too old to be fighting a group of people anymore.

For the record, I carry every day for my job, I did NOT just wake up and go, gee, I want to be strapped to go grocery shopping. My job puts me at serious risk on a daily basis

[1funguy]

That fits Tenni! Thanks.

[darkeyes]

In the UK there is roughly one firearm death per million people..in your country Jazmine, which has 6 times the population mine, there are approximately 160 firearm homicides for every 1 here. In 2014, over 8000 homicides occurred in the US compared to about 50 in the UK. Personally I think the difference speaks volumes. I care for human life. I loathe it being taken from anyone forcibly against their will. I could detail accidental death of suicide comparisons but I think homicide is quite bad enough.

My father taught me to shoot. Having to ring a rabbit's neck I shot when a girl and failed to kill was the end for me. I have always been a pacifist and loathed the killing of human beings by human beings for any reason. Such is my love of the lives of others. You may well have umpteen guns. You may well, as you say, require a firearm for work purposes.. Because of how I feel about human beings, I am unable to agree.

I do not accept Duckie's argument that violence is epudemically out of control in New Zealand any more than it is here, nor for that matter is it epidemically out of control in the US although in all 3 countries violence is certainly a serious problem. Guns are not responsible for homicides, but people with firearms are. We cannot uninvent firearms or any weapon, but we can sure as hell make it extremely difficult for them to circulate willy nilly in any society.

The police are not responsible in isolation for how societies get into difficulties, but they do bear responsibility, together with politicians, businesses, criminals and those who ignore what goes on under their noses without acting to stop it.

For your information, I am engaged to be married to a plain clothes policewoman in France who carries and has used her firearm in the course of her duties. She and I do have differences of opinion on the issue of firearms but while the differences are very real, I do know that she is closer to my view than either Jazmine or Duckie.. Funny who we fall for all the same?

[Jazminedress]

@darkeyes, all that does is punish responsible people, what about cars and drunk driving ? of hammers and bats as blunt force objects kill more people than firearms. The reality, until we put the blame sorely on the person, and punish with extreme prejudice, it will never matter

[darkeyes]

@darkeyes, all that does is punish responsible people, what about cars and drunk driving ? of hammers and bats as blunt force objects kill more people than firearms. The reality, until we put the blame sorely on the person, and punish with extreme prejudice, it will never matterNot as much as shooting and maiming or killing a person punishes. People don't generally go out of their way to kill a person deliberately with a car, but it does happen, whether drunk or sober. Hammer, bats and the like too can be used to kill or maim, but all of these potential weapons, like knives are dangerous in the wrong hands. Firearms are far more dangerous because they can be used from distance, and often repeatedly and so in this country we have really strict laws against them. Even in France where the police carry firearms more routinely, and there is greater firearm ownership and availability than in the UK, there are still only a tenth the number of firearm homicides that there are in the US. The greater the culture of firearm ownership the more likely there are going to be homicides caused by people with guns, whether or not they own those weapons. Whether or not they are police.

I have never held the view that societies should punish with extreme prejudice. This in itself is more likely to make societies and their people more violent. I care for people too much to even dream of creating such a society. It is my worst nightmare.

[Jazminedress]

Not as much as shooting and maiming or killing a person punishes. People don't generally go out of their way to kill a person deliberately with a car, but it does happen, whether drunk or sober. Hammer, bats and the like too can be used to kill or maim, but all of these potential weapons, like knives are dangerous in the wrong hands. Firearms are far more dangerous because they can be used from distance, and often repeatedly and so in this country we have really strict laws against them. Even in France where the police carry firearms more routinely, and there is greater firearm ownership and availability than in the UK, there are still only a tenth the number of firearm homicides that there are in the US. The greater the culture of firearm ownership the more likely there are going to be homicides caused by people with guns, whether or not they own those weapons. Whether or not they are police.

I have never held the view that societies should punish with extreme prejudice. This in itself is more likely to make societies and their people more violent. I care for people too much to even dream of creating such a society. It is my worst nightmare.

We will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one, while I can respect your feelings and thoughts, I just cannot agree.

Part of it is that I do know our numbers are inflated here for political reasons, when it is expedient, they change definitions to get the result they want. We also have something "Most" places in europe dont have, a border with large drug cartels right next to us, and a political ad ministration that changes the names of people who come here illegally to make it sound not so bad. First they were illegal, then undocumented,now they are simply migrants. Where I live, there is one city, estimated 87% illegal, 28% of all violent crime in the county is from there, this is repeated in multiple places when I looked a few years ago.

Guns are not the issue, neither is blunt force objects, the underlying issues in the USA are not being dealt with, and wont be, because the issues make for good political fodder. The big question, why is it suddenly an issue ?

[Bi-Rõnin]

We will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one, while I can respect your feelings and thoughts, I just cannot agree.

Part of it is that I do know our numbers are inflated here for political reasons, when it is expedient, they change definitions to get the result they want. We also have something "Most" places in europe dont have, a border with large drug cartels right next to us, and a political ad ministration that changes the names of people who come here illegally to make it sound not so bad. First they were illegal, then undocumented,now they are simply migrants. Where I live, there is one city, estimated 87% illegal, 28% of all violent crime in the county is from there, this is repeated in multiple places when I looked a few years ago.

Guns are not the issue, neither is blunt force objects, the underlying issues in the USA are not being dealt with, and wont be, because the issues make for good political fodder. The big question, why is it suddenly an issue ?

Absolutely

[darkeyes]

We will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one, while I can respect your feelings and thoughts, I just cannot agree.

Part of it is that I do know our numbers are inflated here for political reasons, when it is expedient, they change definitions to get the result they want. We also have something "Most" places in europe dont have, a border with large drug cartels right next to us, and a political ad ministration that changes the names of people who come here illegally to make it sound not so bad. First they were illegal, then undocumented,now they are simply migrants. Where I live, there is one city, estimated 87% illegal, 28% of all violent crime in the county is from there, this is repeated in multiple places when I looked a few years ago.

Guns are not the issue, neither is blunt force objects, the underlying issues in the USA are not being dealt with, and wont be, because the issues make for good political fodder. The big question, why is it suddenly an issue ?
Any merit in your posts in my view disappeared the second you mentioned immigration, illegal or otherwise.

[Jazminedress]

Any merit in your posts in my view disappeared the second you mentioned immigration, illegal or otherwise.

Except you dont live in Southern California. You dont see the violence in those areas............and as you recall, I stated the exact numbers of violence in our county. You also were not here where we have areas they tell people, on this side of the border to stay out of areas because it is not safe, because of illegal cartel crossings, coyotes trafficking people, illegal crossings.

You can hate the word all day long, but, those of us that have to live in the areas, we get to feel the consequences

[CurEUs_Male]

Can't agree wivya, babes. Sex is more than just sex. Good or bad. If the best sex I had was merely fulfilling and satisfying I'd be just a tad disappointed. Sex can be and often is all that is good and all that is bad in human commitment to one another. The feelings of love, affection, desire and sometimes h8 may last but a very short time, but I have never ever found sex to be just sex. ��

Well, good and bad are certainly possible, along with lots of other descriptors, but my point is sex is neither straight nor gay, and therefore not bi either...
If I have anal sex with a guy, how is that different than if I have anal sex with my wife? How can one be gay and the other straight?

On the other hand, if I am bi, and have sex with anyone, then the only sex I have is bi, regardless of the gender of my partner, and even with my wife, she can only have bi-sex with me?

[CurEUs_Male]

... several state that do to a variety of reasons the wife is no longer playing? ...

This is my challenge. I have a couple profiles from when my wife and I were swinging together. After having paid for lifetime memberships, and since my wife is still with me just not playing, I keep the profile as is (though one admin felt insulted that I would have a wife not currently playing, and changed it without discussion. Guess how hard that would be to change back if/when my wife decides to play again?)
I am very open about the fact she is around, and not currently playing. She has said "... not at this time" every time she has said she does not want to openly play. On the other hand, she has no issue meeting potential partners sociially, and so that may make a red flag orange?
I find a lot of 'couples' where the guy has made a profile without any inclusion of the wife other than a few topless photos they have managed to collect. It takes few conversations to find out the wife is fully unaware.

Certainly a struggle.

[Jazminedress]

?
I find a lot of 'couples' where the guy has made a profile without any inclusion of the wife other than a few topless photos they have managed to collect. It takes few conversations to find out the wife is fully unaware.

Certainly a struggle.

That would seem very disrespectful to the wife IMHO

[beamish13]

I would respectfully tell you, what you hear on the news about the USA "Wild west of firearms" is complete garbage, the only ones who believe it, want to believe it here. One thing you have to remember, if you have a few instances, multiply that we have 10 times the population, we also have unregulated illegal immigration into this country. near where I live, it used to be nice, has turned into gang banger hell now.......but that aside, we do have strong regulations, the only issue, criminals dont follow laws.

As an example, I have 13 friearms, Each one, I pay and go through a 10 day waiting period to take it home, while I go through a background check. Keep in mind, same background check for each and every one of them. Any criminal, violent, or abuse police reports can stop my purchase.

Now, I also have a license to carry a concealed weapon in almost every state. To get that, yep, I went through another even more in depth background check. The police interviewed my neighbors, and interviewed the CEO of my company.
After that, I had a mandatory training class to show I know how to handle it properly and go through the laws...................even after that, its only good for two years, then I get another background check, another training class.

Honestly, I would be happy to give up my guns, if our government secured our border, and actually prosecuted criminals, but they wont. I am too old to be fighting a group of people anymore.

For the record, I carry every day for my job, I did NOT just wake up and go, gee, I want to be strapped to go grocery shopping. My job puts me at serious risk on a daily basis



so much ignorance and xenophobia in this fucking moronic post

[Jazminedress]

so much ignorance and xenophobia in this fucking moronic post

So much arrogance, stupidity, and uninformed opinion in your post.................especially considering everything I stated is factual. the reality that you cannot accept facts, actually makes you the ignorant one skippy

[darkeyes]

So much arrogance, stupidity, and uninformed opinion in your post.................especially considering everything I stated is factual. the reality that you cannot accept facts, actually makes you the ignorant one skippy.. and what facts are these? Whose facts; from where?

[Jazminedress]

.. and what facts are these? Whose facts; from where?

Well as far as background checks................that would be USA federal law under the Brady bill
For a concealed weapon that would be California stae laws

Unregulated illegal immigration , when you cross the border not through legal immigration channels is a violation of USA immigration laws

As far as population, that is simply a fact that anyone can look up population density of any country
As far as the city near me, those facts are easily attainable from the FBI, Department of Justice ....feceral and state which tracks things like violent crime
As far as being estimated 87% illegal, that is also tracked
With accounting for the violent crime in any county, this is also tracked by law enforcement agency

"Out of all the cities in Orange County, Santa Ana is the most dangerous city, with a violent crime rate of 1,137 per 100,000 inhabitants. It ranks as the 11th most dangerous city in America.Anaheim is the second most dangerous city in Orange County, with a violent crime rate of 927 per 100,000 inhabitants. It ranks as the 18th most dangerous city in America."

And considering Santa Ana is considered a small city in comparison to say a NYC or LA, or San Diego......................

People are entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts, these are facts. The violent crime from these two places alone is expanding down into place that never used to have a crime issue. So a moron calling it xenophobia is moronic

[darkeyes]

Well as far as background checks................that would be USA federal law under the Brady bill
For a concealed weapon that would be California stae laws

Unregulated illegal immigration , when you cross the border not through legal immigration channels is a violation of USA immigration laws

As far as population, that is simply a fact that anyone can look up population density of any country
As far as the city near me, those facts are easily attainable from the FBI, Department of Justice ....feceral and state which tracks things like violent crime
As far as being estimated 87% illegal, that is also tracked
With accounting for the violent crime in any county, this is also tracked by law enforcement agency

"Out of all the cities in Orange County, Santa Ana is the most dangerous city, with a violent crime rate of 1,137 per 100,000 inhabitants. It ranks as the 11th most dangerous city in America.Anaheim is the second most dangerous city in Orange County, with a violent crime rate of 927 per 100,000 inhabitants. It ranks as the 18th most dangerous city in America."

And considering Santa Ana is considered a small city in comparison to say a NYC or LA, or San Diego......................

People are entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts, these are facts. The violent crime from these two places alone is expanding down into place that never used to have a crime issue. So a moron calling it xenophobia is moronic
Perhaps.. One person's (or Agency's) facts are often another's fantasies. Officialdom and media seem to enjoy dreaming up "facts". you had a President and we a PM who spent vast amounts of time dreaming up "facts". Assuming some or all of your "facts" are correct this does not necessarily mean accusations of xenophobia can be dismissed. I'm of the free movement of people faction if humanity..In princple, It really doesn't matter to me who moves to my country. Legally or illegally immigrated I will welcome people and encourage others to do the same.. and many do. If we treat people like crap they generally respond in kind.. I like people instinctively. So we have to look at and consider claimed facts with suspicion and take them in context of the world we find and the reactions of the non immigrant population, and how we deal with those who move into our countries. In my experience as much dishonesty, crime and violence is the responsibility of the indigenous population as it is of immigrants, and for that matter refugees.

There will always be those in the non indigenous community who break the law, deal in drugs and act with violence just as there are in the indigenous population. Yet most are decent human beings, just as most non immigrants are. The world would be a better place if we realised that and work with each other in improving our societies rather than increasingly divide them as so many in our communities.

[DD788Snipe]

Actually, ummmmmmm funny thing, if wearing a corset, when meeting someone for the first time, I do have a 9mm in the pouch in it, if not wearing one, I made a holster that my small .22 can be at the top of my thing
That's smart Jazz and that whole thing sounds like a setup. IMO you did the right thing backing away. Especially with some of the things that go on out there these days. It's good to be self sufficient.

[DD788Snipe]

So much arrogance, stupidity, and uninformed opinion in your post.................especially considering everything I stated is factual. the reality that you cannot accept facts, actually makes you the ignorant one skippy
Totally agree Jazz. I'm retired and have my permit too. I live in the Hi-Desert and don't leave home unarmed. Crime in our state is progressively getting worse and our state government is siding with the criminals and there are bad people coming across our southern border unchecked.

[Jazminedress]

Totally agree Jazz. I'm retired and have my permit too. I live in the Hi-Desert and don't leave home unarmed. Crime in our state is progressively getting worse and our state government is siding with the criminals and there are bad people coming across our southern border unchecked.

It was what, a month ago that we received warnings that cartel members were cruising the streets in San Deigo and posting videos threatening to shoot random people ?

For me, I sometimes deal with men that think they have a right to be aggressive, and assume that is what I am looking for. I cna handle myself, but there are always people who are bigger and badder and stronger

[Long Duck Dong]

In NZ, I avoid town on weekend nights, and so does my partner and the others in our closed group.....and while I am fully capable of dealing with most forms of confrontations, its actually the fact that I would rather avoid confrontations that is the reason why I do not go into town......

We have RSE workers, mostly males who come in from the pacific islands on a months long contract to work in the vineyards, and while the majority are great people, some of them have been charged with assault, sexual assault, sexual harassment and drug use...my own partner has been propositioned for sex, walking down the main street of town on a few occasions.....

We have the gangs moving into town which has resulted in increased violence and arrests for drugs, a couple of shootings, a stabbing and numerous assaults and other criminals.....

We have had bouncers responsible for 2 deaths while working the doors, 2 deaths that should have never happened........

Thats on top of the normal assaults, drug arrests, violence, drunken behavior, vandalism etc that happens at the weekends at a higher rate than during the week.........the weekend has become the most hated 2 days of the week for cops ( friday night to early hours monday morning ), at times they take 2-3 van loads of people to court on mondays, sometimes because there is so many arrests and other times cos they can not put some people in the same van load as others without dealing with more assaults.........

While people are quick to blame alcohol, drugs and toxic masculinity ( gotta love the male bashing, while female offenders are ignored or just not mentioned ) its also a lack of respect for others and a stance of people will do what ever the hell they want, screw the law, the cops and anybody that disagrees.......

[TRICK69]

Why do more guys stand you up? I met a guy we were going to meet for coffee. Well the grand kids came over and I had to cancel. He didn't like that. I tried to set up another time, but he will not answer back.

[Jazminedress]

Why do more guys stand you up? I met a guy we were going to meet for coffee. Well the grand kids came over and I had to cancel. He didn't like that. I tried to set up another time, but he will not answer back.

I think, as in only an opinion, its two things when dealing with males.
Some want and think they are ready, then the nerves kick in or the "WTF am I doing" and they just disappear
The other, guys are so used to flakes on hook up sites, that when someone does cancel they make an assumption

[jjourneyman]

Wow! Where to begin about red flags... Since personal safety is always paramount, I am always suspect when someone doesn't want to meet me virtually or in person in a public space first. Beyond that, things to look for are poor spelling when exchanging emails or texts, images that don't match up and oddly timed messages. I understand that people who are married, committed or not out want to maintain their anonymity, and I can respect that, but it does complicate things for me. I like to host more than travel out, but I can't tell you how many times I've had guys get to my front door and be afraid to knock.

From my personal experience, most guys or couples who have contacted me are more interested in the fantasy than the reality of fucking someone new.

[Jazminedress]

Wow! Where to begin about red flags... Since personal safety is always paramount, I am always suspect when someone doesn't want to meet me virtually or in person in a public space first.

I could always be paranoid because I grew up with all the 70's and 80's serial killers, I lived through the Dahmer age, and, since I work with people all day, I personally see the level of aggressions and rage out there. Someone brought up the COVID and tons of watching porn, so many men think we want a dick slapped in our face, the ass spanked, the choking thing.

I usually set the rules down right away, but, there are a lot of guys who want to get lost in their own pornstar fantasy camp.


Wait a second, they have rock n roll fantast camp, football fantasy camp...........................I bet we could make money with a Pornstar fantast camp

[DD788Snipe]

jazminedress
"Wait a second, they have rock n roll fantast camp, football fantasy camp...........................I bet we could make money with a Pornstar fantast camp"

LOLROTF That's hilarious.

[Jazminedress]

jazminedress
"Wait a second, they have rock n roll fantast camp, football fantasy camp...........................I bet we could make money with a Pornstar fantast camp"

LOLROTF That's hilarious.

I am seriously betting, there are men, and some women that would pay good money for that