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glantern954
Oct 18, 2006, 6:19 PM
For a change of pace I searched for a recent article on polyamory and came across the advice column below. I am curious to hear what others think of her response.


Along came polyamory

After two years of living and loving together, my boyfriend admitted that while I'll always be number one, he's eager to hug other women because he likes feeling sexually aroused when he squeezes them. When I probed further, he confessed to creating situations where he can help female neighbors, friends, or co-workers in hopes of getting thanked with a hug or maybe a passionate kiss. He also writes them personal poems and tries to impress them with gifts. I'm not thrilled, but wonder if most men would behave similarly if given the chance to act on their impulses. When asked whether he'd go beyond kissing, he said, "To be totally honest, I probably would, but it hasn't happened yet." I argued that his attitude negatively impacts our relationship, and he countered, "As long as you're number one, why should you care who's number two or three?" Help, I'm at an impasse.

— Main Squeeze For Now

Ideally, being faithful means more than lacking the opportunity to grope the lady next door.

What are you, a pit stop for when your boyfriend tires of going house-to-house offering to loosen lids on other women's jars? You don't even have the luxury of hating "the other woman." No, with a boyfriend prone to random infidelity with any attractive female friend, co-worker, or neighbor who has a to-do list, you have to hate a whole demographic: all women, 18 to 45, who are not you. Oh joy, your boyfriend says he has yet to be compensated with more than a kiss — probably because he has yet to encounter any busty young things in need of engine overhaul or driveway resurfacing. But, you know what they say: Opportunity knockers!

Most men don't act like this. Only men without integrity. Especially men without integrity with girlfriends who have spines the consistency of soup. Sure, we all have our impulses. Maybe you're eyeing your neighbor's new car. Chances are, you swallow your envy, get in your beater and go to work — you don't clock the guy with a tire iron and make off with his wheels. There are people who do that sort of thing. They're called felons, and they live in very special gated communities called prisons. Likewise, boyfriends such as yours are typically referred to as "my creepy ex," tied to a broken ironing board, and placed at the curb on trash day. You, however, favor a unique approach: allowing Gary Groper to hang around justifying his chore-mongering — well, whenever he isn't too busy buying gifts in bulk and filling in his poetry template, "My darling (insert name here)."

No, humans aren't naturally monogamous — which is why people say relationships "take work" while you never hear anybody talking about what a coal mine an affair can be. There are "sexually open relationships," but none other than the late Nena O'Neill, coauthor of Open Marriage, admitted to me that few couples can make a go of them. Of course, without an explicit agreement for, let's say, a feel-up free-for-all, you don't have a sexually open anything, just a partner who's cheating. Desperate to avoid admitting this, you claim you're “at an impasse,” which, considering how odious this guy is, must be a euphemism for "a girl with her self-esteem in a vegetative state." It doesn't have to stay that way. See those things at the end of your legs? They're feet. Stand on them. Upright, like a human. And then run. Keep running until you understand the difference between a loving relationship rooted in mutual respect and seriously sick codependence with a feel-copping thug who makes two-timers seem like slackers.

http://www.vcreporter.com/article.php?id=3835&IssueNum=91

ScifiBiJen
Oct 18, 2006, 7:54 PM
Hmm very interesting. I guess I'll be the first to give my take on this.

This guy may be polyamorous, but he's also rather skeevy, manipulative, secretive, and a cheater. There are better ways to go about this where this relationship could work.

Step 1. Make sure you're both on the same page about where your relationship stands. He may think she's his number one, but she thinks she's his one and ONLY. This really should be defined soon into the relationship, if one person thinks it's exclusive and the other doesn't.

While he does get like half a brownie point for being the one to bring up the subject (instead of waiting til he got caught), how far he's been Trying to get with other women is still an issue.

Should the girl run immediately? No (but keep the bags nearby). If she truly cares for him, I'd say to better reach an understanding about how they stand with each other... whether jealousy is going to be a problem... and just how open they want their relationship to be. But she should be warned: this guy doesn't abide by boundaries if he doesn't think he has to. He seems more interested in getting the action.

gentlepen9
Oct 18, 2006, 8:05 PM
Wow! I don't know about anyone else but the columnist's words feel rather harsh to me. I do agree with the woman needing to walk away from this guy. The whole "as long as you're #1, why should you care who's #2, 3 or 4" is a disregard for her feelings IMO. (And they say us bisexuals want to have our cake and eat it too.) But I don't see how any of this has anything to do with polyamory. I've been under the impression that polyamory was about a consentual, loving relationship between more than two people.
And the "humans aren't naturally monogamous" statement, well I guess my eight years of faithfullness to my husband is the most unnatural thing you have ever seen. These eight years of being with him has been as 'bout as much work as taking a lid off a peanut butter jar. ;)

stormalong
Oct 18, 2006, 8:07 PM
I think MOST men are polyandrous. Quite a few LESS women are. Most men, given the opportunity without consequences, would stray a little here and there. I don't think that's a problem, SO LONG AS THE PARTNER is cool with it. And as always, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. I was married and never cheated, but that was 'cause I didn't want to spoil a good thing. It's something I feel must be agreed on before it happens. Then. of course, it's not cheating.


Vitae finit, Ars Manet

canuckotter
Oct 18, 2006, 8:11 PM
The writer has a point, but.... damn she makes me want to hit her. :eek: I've met very few people whose personalities felt as abrasive and distasteful as the personality that exudes from her writing. I read a bit more of her page, and damn, I feel dirty now.

twosides
Oct 19, 2006, 12:54 AM
Wow. I had to read more than once or twice what whe wrote to get a perspective on where she's coming from for her to be so hostile. I think it's one of those bandwagon things.

Yeah, the guys integrity is out the window, and ranking your loved ones, especially women, is never a good idea. But at least he's trying. Misinformed and studid acting as he is, he is on our team and we do need a right fielder. :bigrin:

happyjoe68
Oct 19, 2006, 5:02 AM
This isnt polyamory at all, this is sleaze ...

I think part of the problem with this article is that it doesnt say the people are bi - it all sounds very straight to me.

I have a (non-physical) relationship with a bi woman, who feels she is poly. Without betraying or embarrasing her, its not easy when you are or feel yourself to be poly, but its nothing like the situation outlined in the article. That guy just wants sex, and being poly is about more than sex - its above love, sensuality, warmth and what you can both offer and give each other ...

glantern954
Oct 19, 2006, 7:09 AM
That is exactly what struck me about the article. Nowhere did the person seeking advice refer to Polyamory, and actually neither does the author really either except for the title. Yet the title makes you feel like the man in question is supposed to be considered poly.


But I don't see how any of this has anything to do with polyamory. I've been under the impression that polyamory was about a consentual, loving relationship between more than two people.

twosides
Oct 20, 2006, 4:54 AM
But at least he's trying. Misinformed and studid acting as he is, he is on our team and we do need a right fielder. :bigrin:

I really hope you all understand that this last line was a toss away joke. Notice the :bigrin: Not a very good one, I admit. I was at the end of a 36 hour day when I read and added to the thread. If you think something I write is not quite right and dosen't sound like something I'd write, it's probably an attempt at humor. If it bugs you call me on it. I'll try to explain myself.

Now, on with the regularly scheduled thread.

leizy
Oct 23, 2006, 7:11 PM
Now I'm no conspiracy nut (but if I were, I think I would want to be a cashew, such a cool name, sounds like a sneeze), but I view the application of polyamory to things like this as an effort to stigmatize and polarize polyamory. It's not about "this is how I am, deal with it." It's about, "this is who I am, can you deal with it, or do we need to look at options?" Yes, most poly people admit to having cheated in the past, but there are many more cheaters than there are polyamorists.

At best, this writer has a very limited understanding or concept of poly, at worst, she is trying to create the perception that polyamorists are just selfish assholes who want to have their cake and eat it too...

Chaia
Oct 23, 2006, 11:11 PM
Although I agree with many of the things said in response to this column, I would like to point out that we don't really know how this guy is truly feeling. All we have is the girlfriend's point of view and what she heard him say. Perhaps he is just very confused and is finally able to talk about it, but isn't sure how to do it. Perhaps he is exploring how he feels and doesn't really have the words to describe it. Is it really fair to hang him out to dry because, right now, his poly seems to just be straight. It is a little creepy that he wants to help his neighbors in hopes of getting a hug, but, would we all feel differently if he told his girlfriend he wanted to hug his male neighbors? Just being the devil's advocate here.

IanBorthwick
Oct 24, 2006, 5:31 AM
I know this may be going on a tangent, buy I hate this columns and letters games. It's all hesaid/she said. No complete perspective invloved whatsoever. We hear half the tale, nothing more, and then are launched like a rocket into a dissertation that is more Bible/Brow thumping than an Episcopalian Minister can ever accomplish. The idea of it is somehow dirty and reminds me of that lady on CNN (who shall remain nameless) who mugs her interviewees for ratings and fame because she is certain she holds a moral high ground.

Now I say this not because I condone what the guy is doing in any way. From what it sounds like it seems he may not be able to deal with his own feelings, let alone how to label them. I pity him, his significant other, and all the readers of that column for being pigeon holed and abraded by the shrewish harpy's sharp tongue. Once upon a time there were people who wrote without rancor, with advice you could add to your wisdom lockbox and feel warm and fuzzy inside while vaults of knowledge unlocked in your soul.

I pray those days come back...