Thoughts on this

[biwmtrucker44]

This is an Article I came across. any thoughts or opinions ...........https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleefowlkes/2020/04/30/bisexual-not-confused-not-greedy-and-not-limited-to-two/#114f2382b12e

[GayGuy04]

Site wasnt able to load

[biwmtrucker44]

Site wasnt able to load It loaded for me.

[CockHummer]

It opened up to Forbes, but to a page that said the good old, "We can't find the page you're looking for." I think you copied and pasted the URL, but what you pasted was not the complete link. I see an ellipsis in it, which is not an ordinary part of a web address. Maybe you could try again and take a close look and make sure they're the same before you send it out a second time. Thanks for the effort.

[biwmtrucker44]

It opened up to Forbes, but to a page that said the good old, "We can't find the page you're looking for." I think you copied and pasted the URL, but what you pasted was not the complete link. I see an ellipsis in it, which is not an ordinary part of a web address. Maybe you could try again and take a close look and make sure they're the same before you send it out a second time. Thanks for the effort.https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleefowlkes/2020/04/30/bisexual-not-confused-not-greedy-and-not-limited-to-two/#73b85a8b12ea

[biwmtrucker44]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleefowlkes/2020/04/30/bisexual-not-confused-not-greedy-and-not-limited-to-two/#36ac1951b12e

[biwmtrucker44]

It opened up to Forbes, but to a page that said the good old, "We can't find the page you're looking for." I think you copied and pasted the URL, but what you pasted was not the complete link. I see an ellipsis in it, which is not an ordinary part of a web address. Maybe you could try again and take a close look and make sure they're the same before you send it out a second time. Thanks for the effort.
I did it 2 more time and it works for me check you computer

[SilkyHoseLover]

I'm basically a product of my generation, and I grew up with the notion that there are two genders: male and female. And that they're grounded in physical properties determined by genetics/chromosomes. I understand that there are some anomalies that can occur that blur the lines - hermaphrodites, for example - but that such things are quite rare.

The screwy world that we live in today demands that we accept feelings and emotions over physiology and fact, resulting in a long, confusing list of alternate genders and the bastardization of the English language to accommodate an individual person using plural personal pronouns, and other tortured phrases.

Don't assume I'm some kind of a 'hater' or a bigot because I have this rather uncomplicated view. Given that I have written here that I enjoy wearing women's lingerie and also like to assume a feminine role & responsibilities in intimate activities, you might presume that I would be more amenable to the modern take on gender. The reality is, I have always known and accepted that I am a male. I've often wished I were female, and I love to imagine myself that way, but I'm deeply-rooted in reality. Injections, hormones and surgery can change the way the body looks, but have no effect on the DNA that you were born with. Nor does 'thinking' or 'feeling' that you're something that you're not. I'll play along and use the pronouns you want, and I will respect your sexual preferences and desires. I won't ridicule you or talk behind your back, regardless of what you like and who you like to do it with.

A dick doesn't make you a man -- you can have that removed. Tits don't make you a woman -- those can be added. 100 years after you've gone, when all that's left is a loosely-assembled skeleton, with maybe a couple bags of silicone, the archaeologists are gonna do some skeletal measurements and a DNA sample and they're going to know within a very precise range of certainty whether you were a male or a female. They won't know or care what you 'thought' you were...

[KDaddy23]

Every time I see this "new" definition for bisexuality, it makes me cringe and wonder if people are so messed up in the head about sexuality that they have to state a difference which makes no difference. There's sex and then there's gender. I was born male (duh) and raised to do "man stuff" - gender - while females are raised to do "girl stuff." But sex doesn't care about gender roles and I keep wondering why so many people think that it matters as much as they say they do. If you're a guy but of a mind to be more in the female gender role, okay, that's just how you look at yourself, what makes you feel good about yourself and, for some it seems, rebelling against the social construct of what gender is. That author says it's a binary construct... and she's wrong and I think she should get a refresher course in human biology. You're born male or female and sometimes both when the genetic mix gets screwed up. What gender role you adopt, however, isn't related to the sex you're born into but, sure - boys are raised in the male gender role, girls in the female gender role. If you don't wanna do the role that gets assigned to your sex, fine - that's on you and for whatever psychological reasons you don't want that gender assignment stuck to you.

The word is "bisexual" and not "bigender;" there's no escaping the binary nature of what we are... except inside our heads. And as SHL said, a test of your DNA will prove, without any doubt whatsoever, that if you're male, you have the XX chromosome pairing and XY if you're female. What I've suspected is that linking bisexuality to gender is a dodge; it's misdirection that has a lot of people thinking more about people than the actual sex that's possible with anyone and a pattern of behavior that, if for no other reason, acts as a salve to justify why we can have sex in the ways we do. That there appears to now be more than two gender roles is, in and of itself a social construct Bluntly, it's bullshit to make gender a "selling point" because when you get right down to the nitty gritty, you don't have to have some other view of your gender role to, one, have sex with someone and, two, to be romantically interested in them.

Don't like what being a man or a woman traditionally means? Fine - you get to decide how you wanna live your life and despite what's expected of you. And if you don't think that a gender role doesn't apply to you, well, shit - what's going on inside your head that makes you think/feel that way? But at the end of any day, if you're a guy who sees himself in the female gender role and as traditionally defined, it doesn't mean a damned thing if/when I wanna have sex with you. If you're female and a "tomboy," okay - I can get my head around that well enough and we can still get naked and have sex, can't we, you know, if the tomboy is of a mind to. Think you're more girl than guy? Okay... if I'm feeling you, let's get naked and have sex.

Gender is irrelevant. A social construct that's been taken out of context and based upon one's self-image of themselves and their place in the world. It is important to the person themselves - it's part of our self-identity... but what does that have to do with having the desire to have sex or be romantically involved with men and women, whether it's physical or psychological? Nothing. Okay, check this out: When I went to college, I majored in computer science but I was told I had to pick a minor... so I picked secretarial procedures. Secretaries, traditionally, were women and, yep, in those related classes, I was one of two guys in them. Got razzed a lot about having a "girly" minor but fuck them. Got a job where I was one of 15 secretaries... and the only guy. So what? I took some heat over it... but I was getting paid and taking care of my family... just like a man, traditionally, is supposed to do... and I was still having sex with both men and women. Tomboys, "sissy boys," "manly men" and "girly girls." Two lesbians, one transsexual - today's transgender - and the bottom line is whatever they thought themselves to be didn't matter one damned bit as long as we got along with each other and sex, in and of itself, well, if you wanna do it, I'm game if you are.

The scary part for me? A lot of people think that gender - the act of being male or female - is relevant... and it isn't. There are issues with the traditional roles as defined... so we've made up some stuff to make the traditional roles more palatable to our sense of self. But bisexuality doesn't give a fuck who or what you think you are and I don't know why people wanna believe that it does.

[tenni]

Much of what I read in the article while supposedly presenting a more up to date bisexual definition describes what a pansexual is imo. I believe that the article ignored "pansexual".

Here is one definition of bisexual.
Bisexual means being attracted to the gender the same as your own, AND to one other gender. Some people use it to mean "attracted to two or more genders". ... PANSEXUAL however, means attracted to (or has the potential to be attracted to) people of ALL genders. Binary or not.

"Bi" means two. A lot of/some people who use the term Bisexual are CIS. Broader gender discussions using concepts beyond CIS makes finding commonality more difficult for those who see themselves as bisexual.

I agree that gender discussions should not impose itself on sexuality discussions. A trans may be attracted to other trans or CIS people.

It can be confusing though.

[sexylacaman]

Interesting discussion & a lot of valid points made. I self identify as bisexual. I’ve known guys who claimed to be straight but liked topping other guys. I guess some people figure as long as they don’t suck cock or take it in the ass... Well, I think that’s silly, but I’m willing to let people be whatever they want to be. I used to have sex with a CD. When we first met we discussed gender roles & I told her; “You self identify as a girl to me so you’ll always be a girl to me.” I like women, men, CD’s, trans, etc, etc, etc. I was driving one day a few months ago when I saw a person sitting at a bus stop. I honestly couldn’t tell if this person was male or female. I only knew that he/she was sexy as fuck & very attractive to me!

[KDaddy23]

@Tenni - confusing? That's being nice about it! It is unnecessary; it overly complicates things in some very disturbing ways. You get attracted, physically, emotionally or both, to people and regardless to what you or they think about themselves and if they have "gender issues," okay - they have gender issues... which has absolutely nothing to do with sex and sexuality. Boy/girl, boy/boy, girl/girl - we can do it in all of these combinations and we've proven this to be true even if, by and large, we can't accept that this is the real truth. If anything, by citing gender as a main thing, it seeks to remove the physical attraction from the equation, that thing that makes you look at someone and think, "I wanna have sex with them!" It deflects from the "obvious" thing that you, in that moment, have no idea what, if any, gender issues that person who got your blood boiling may have... and even if you did know, what difference would it make?

There's sex... then there's gender. They're not related... but we're trying to make them related and many people now believe that it is. Disputing the gender binary? I get that but what I know is that the binary nature of what we are cannot be erased and if it can be erased, the only place it can be erased is inside your own head. You're either a man who does the traditional man-things... or you think that you aren't. Same with women. Not buying into the traditional gender roles at all? Okay... but what does that have to do with sex? To date, no one has been able to explain this to me in any way that, one, makes sense, and two, disproves everything I've ever learned about this stuff. You're either male or female. You're either going to act like one or not. You can't make the binary nature of what we are just go away because you don't like it. And it still doesn't have jack shit to do with bisexuality or sexuality at all. It's a social construct that seeks to rewrite yet another social construct.

And one that still doesn't have anything to do with having sex with someone... unless you believe it does.

[DD788Snipe]

Totally agree. I love being naked with a man. I love having passionate sex with a man. I love being touched by a man. But lets face it. I'm a man. Not an "it" and identify as a man because my DNA Says I am and I'm proud of that. I'm not going to get into the philosophical crapp about the article and I don't agree with it or the writer. Lets just say she's not realistic.

[CurEUs_Male]

I find most such postings about what Bi means as an orientation have shifted over the years from what it is to avoid what some Pan folks use as their definition and being limiting to us... THat they are not transphobic, leaving Bi identifying people in an awkward place that, but deduction, are transphobic. I have even had a "I now identify as Pan" person add to their definition that they were Bi, but because they like Trans folks too, are really Pan. It can come across as limiting to those Bi folks in a room.

This article tries to share for the (cis, straight, sexualy uneducated) readers a pretty basic concept that is actually pretty hard for some to grasp.

I believe sexuality and gender are connected. Not synonyms, but connected. Having chatted with people that are both bi and non binary, bi and trans, and simply not Cis. There is a connection between male and masculinity, as well as much of what we are taught about sexuality and gender, along with the potential to realign those values as we emerge.