…found this on CL…opinions please…

[charles-smythe]

…found this on CL…opinions please…


Homosexuality a choice






Yes, there are many people posting here.

One must first define "homosexuality.". Webster's has several definitions, most of which are very vague. But the easiest one to understand is "erotic activity with someone of one's own gender." By this definition, homosexuality is clearly a choice (unless, of course, if one was raped).

You may be confusing homosexuality with sexual orientation. What's the difference? Sexual orientation describes what one desires sexually. Homosexuality describes what one actually does sexually. The reasons why people desire what they do are numerous. The theory that sexual orientation is determined before birth, while accepted, has no science behind it. Yet, to suggest that homosexuality is a choice immediately makes you their enemy?

I'll stand with homosexuals who DEMAND their right to be able to have sex with any consenting adult without having to suffer undue discrimination. Other homosexuals who cling to unscientific theories because they provide convenient explanations for things that even they don't understand...I'm sorry, I'm not with you.

I do not feel the need to explain my sexuality to anyone, even myself. Who knows why I am attracted to whoever I am attracted to? I don't. To me, this is almost like a religious debate. People are moved by this "theory" not because of the scientific evidence by simply because of it's convenience.


P.S. Your 'studies" about male homosexuals having female brains and so forth is nonsense. I don't believe that the whole of the universe was created in six days and I don't believe that one's sexuality is determined before birth. They are both equally possible and equally nonsensical.

[pole_smoker]

It's some hater/bigot on Craigslist, why pay any attention to it?

[NakedInSeattle]

Homosexuality is NOT a choice! End of argument. Bisexuality is a choice and some of us are closer to the homosexual side of the Kinsey scale but the full on homosexual with feminine affectations, NOT a choice!

[tommyswing]

If course it's not a choice, all cultures, races and creeds, have always had a certain percentage of gays, bi's ect. To act on ones desire is aways a choice. I think many people conflate sexual orientation with lifestyle choices.

[pepperjack]

If course it's not a choice, all cultures, races and creeds, have always had a certain percentage of gays, bi's ect. To act on ones desire is aways a choice. I think many people conflate sexual orientation with lifestyle choices.

Huh? "If course it's not a choice" or "is always a choice." Which is it?:rolleyes:

[tenni]

Well, the writer on CL has what I would consider half ideas starting with his attempt to define homosexuality. Homosexuality or any sexuality goes far beyond sexual activity. The person defines homosexuality an erotic activity and ignores the emotional attraction along with sexual attraction. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation.


I don’t think that his point about sexuality being like a religious debate is a good position to take. Hopefully, science does enter into any discussion on sexuality rather than spirituality to resolve any aspect of sexuality. I have heard of the study examining homosexual and heterosexual male brains and that study showed a difference. Many other studies need to be done replicating the original and more research to strengthen whether or not physical structure of brains proves a link to sexual orientation. Bisexuals were not studied and I bet that will throw confusion into the discussion.


I personally do not like to use the Kinsey scale to define bisexuality because it asks bisexuals to fit in to mono sexuality constructs. I prefer to see bisexuality as the opposite of monosexuality whether homosexual or heterosexual. More research is needed in studying bisexuality…much more.

I would add to the bisexuality is a choice position that for some bisexuals it is a choice due to possibly having a low level attraction to same sex attraction (physical or emotional. Like many aspects of the broad umbrella same sex attraction activity is need and difficult to repress. It is as difficult to repress as sexual needs itself. Monosexuals are only attracted to one gender. They have no choice in their attraction but a choice of whether to be sexually active or not. All bisexuals have that same need for sex. Where some of us get complicated is the fluid aspect of bisexuality added on to a need at various points in a bisexual life to have sex with a "forbidden" gender...or make it worse both at the same time.

[pepperjack]

I think it has a lot to do with how I'm hardwired at a subconscious level, which overrides the conscious mind any day! And choice is going to yield to that!

[DerrekCooke2]

Homosexuality is not a choice.

[tommyswing]

Huh? "If course it's not a choice" or "is always a choice."


Which is it?:rolleyes:
Orientation is not a choice, choosing to act on it is.

[pepperjack]

Ok, we're on the same page now; just seemed contradictory & confusing at first.:)

[tenni]

Orientation is not a choice, choosing to act on it is.

I notice that some people who post that they are a level 2 are inclined to post such comments about sexuality and choice.

I agree that sexual orientation is not a choice. There seems to be a tone of judgement when you then write that choosing to act on our sexuality and sexual needs is a choice.

Lets look at this about heterosexuals. Would to tell a heterosexual that if they act of their sexual needs that they are chosing to act on there sexuality? It seems silly this way.

Why make a comment about choice when it come to sex? It laddens it with all kinds of righteous morality imo. Sex is a need as part of a healthy body and mind regardless of your sexuality.

[pole_smoker]

I notice that some people who post that they are a level 2 are inclined to post such comments about sexuality and choice.

I agree that sexual orientation is not a choice. There seems to be a tone of judgement when you then write that choosing to act on our sexuality and sexual needs is a choice.

Lets look at this about heterosexuals. Would to tell a heterosexual that if they act of their sexual needs that they are chosing to act on there sexuality? It seems silly this way.

Why make a comment about choice when it come to sex? It laddens it with all kinds of righteous morality imo. Sex is a need as part of a healthy body and mind regardless of your sexuality.

Yes, and you are not really actually a level 3 on the Kinsey scale, so what's your point?

[darkeyes]

I notice that some people who post that they are a level 2 are inclined to post such comments about sexuality and choice.

I agree that sexual orientation is not a choice. There seems to be a tone of judgement when you then write that choosing to act on our sexuality and sexual needs is a choice.

Lets look at this about heterosexuals. Would to tell a heterosexual that if they act of their sexual needs that they are chosing to act on there sexuality? It seems silly this way.

Why make a comment about choice when it come to sex? It laddens it with all kinds of righteous morality imo. Sex is a need as part of a healthy body and mind regardless of your sexuality.
Sometimes u have the oddest way of seeing things...

Yes, I would, and have told heterosexuals (my l8 father included, me bruvva.. me x hubbie and a long time ago, a former boss among others) that acting upon their sexual needs is a choice... just as not acting upon them is a choice.

It is remarkable just how many people decide not to act upon their sexuality for various reasons... religion and religious vocation being but 2. A sense of morality, not always religious.. a desire to be a virgin upon marriage, again doesn't always arise out of religios belief.. every time we meet a person, in our mind's eye we fathom whether or not they are attactive to us and we to them.. often sexually attractive, possibly for many of us, always.

Yet we often consciously choose not to act on what is often a very powerful sexual attraction indeed.. circumstance, location, the object of the attraction, all play their part in determining whether or not we choose to act on our sexual wants. Respect for the other person and often fear of making a move due to lack of confidence and self belief can determine a person's choice. For many, the marital or relationship status of the object of desire play their part as often does our own, as does the decision not to have the sex act play any part in our love lives at all for whatever reason. One may be physically attracted to or even love a person, but choose not to have nookie with them... celibate marriages and relationships (even celibacy decided upon by both parties;)) do exist where both partners are or have been highly sexual beings.. and not all becase folk r past it..

Whether or not to have sex, how to have it and with whom can can have deep religious significance for many and we should never forget that. It is a fact of life that for the present we must live with. For just as many, arguably more, it does not, whether or not they are religious.. even the angst and guilt felt by the unfaithful is of religious significance though not necessarily.. and whether or not to be unfaithful, whatever our sexuality is always a choice...

Whatever our sexuality, whether or not we act upon it has to be and is a choice... there are so any different choices for us all which comes from our sense of being of which our sexuality is a large part, but far from the only part.