Is it possible to be bisexual and conservative?

[Ebonybifemme7]

I am an African american bisexual female. Single, 31 years old. Although I am bisexual, I'm still somewhat conservative. (Not just talking about politically but being conservative on somewhat of a public level). Inwardly I have a somewhat liberal view of sex, but outwardly conservative, if that makes sense.

I was replying back to a member on here, we were talking about first time experiences and I was telling him that I have lots of fantasies! Lots!

But in reality I am still very conservative, which is crazy because I am atheist. I love chatting and PM a lot of the same sex seeking men and women on this website. Back in the early 2000's I used to think that men were either straight or gay, that there was no in-between. Even though I am atheist, if I was in a relationship with a man (or even a woman) I would probably still go to church with him or her. I believe that no matter what a person believes in, they should stick together and have a united front. I think its all about compromise.

But I believe that people, when they seriously date and marry, should stick with their own kind racially and culturally. I don't think its good to intermix. I have friends who are biracial and they have major issues:eek2:. I think people of different races, culture and languages should be able and allowed to enjoy eachother without permanently and biologically crossing culture and racial lines.

I like chatting with bisexual (and same sex seeking) men, and having deep discussions, but I don't know if I could be in a serious relationship or marriage with one. I feel that in my case, its best for me to be with a man who is 100% straight.

Does this make me prejudice? I know a lot of people would say that I am a hypocrite because I go both ways.

[Yman67]

The answer to your question is YES! I am both!

[2bi2Bboring]

Finally, a fucking meaningful discussion!

Beware you might get flamed for this thread, everybody be NICE!

In this world you gotta be what makes you happy. Life too fucking short to waste time on not being happy. I blinked when I was 35 and now I am 50. I appreciate people have their own values, I have my own, but I have made choices other people haven't in my life. I am an atheist as well, but I used to be a conservative gun toting Christian before I toted a gun for Uncle Sam. I grew up in a conservative Christian household.
(((((((Paradigm shift))))))))
I woke up and shed most everything I ever believed in before I went to war.
I found out I really was bisexual, I shed a marriage, a career and a religion. I changed utterly. So much it took a year just figure out who I was.
Mostly, I stopped giving a fuck about what other people thought!

Conservative has many connotations, to me what your saying is your values are conformal to the man you're with. You want to blend in. But my question is, how does being bisexuality fit in to your sexuality after you aren't single? What if your church going future straight husband doesn't agree with bisexuality on religious grounds? Then you have an ethical dilemma.

My point of all that about me above was that I had to learn to be me. I had to learn to shed the expectations of others and be myself. Find a man that accepts you, who appreciates you. You don't have to lose yourself to be whatever they want. Don't compromise yourself for anyone. Put whatever label on it you want, be yourself. Look honestly at the labels you use to describe yourself, those words define your character. Look at what conservative means to you, maybe traditional is more accurate, maybe submissive is more apt, maybe you gotta look further? You can be bisexual and conservative in manner and even some values. But you have to be careful not to disappear, conservative folks of most any color aren't real receptive to bisexual folks. Especially church going conservative folk. They think we are possessed by the devil to go forth and fornicate. Which I guess we are, and we rather enjoy it,

Remember, you're just as entitled to be bi as any partner has to be what they are. And who you marry and who you fuck doesn't always have to be the same person. It s all about your choices.

[Visexual]

I am an African american bisexual female. Single, 31 years old. Although I am bisexual, I'm still somewhat conservative. (Not just talking about politically but being conservative on somewhat of a public level). Inwardly I have a somewhat liberal view of sex, but outwardly conservative, if that makes sense.

I was replying back to a member on here, we were talking about first time experiences and I was telling him that I have lots of fantasies! Lots!

But in reality I am still very conservative, which is crazy because I am atheist. I love chatting and PM a lot of the same sex seeking men and women on this website. Back in the early 2000's I used to think that men were either straight or gay, that there was no in-between. Even though I am atheist, if I was in a relationship with a man (or even a woman) I would probably still go to church with him or her. I believe that no matter what a person believes in, they should stick together and have a united front. I think its all about compromise.

But I believe that people, when they seriously date and marry, should stick with their own kind racially and culturally. I don't think its good to intermix. I have friends who are biracial and they have major issues:eek2:. I think people of different races, culture and languages should be able and allowed to enjoy eachother without permanently and biologically crossing culture and racial lines.

I like chatting with bisexual (and same sex seeking) men, and having deep discussions, but I don't know if I could be in a serious relationship or marriage with one. I feel that in my case, its best for me to be with a man who is 100% straight.

Does this make me prejudice? I know a lot of people would say that I am a hypocrite because I go both ways.

You are so right about marrying someone who shares your political and religious beliefs. The older you get, the more important those are!

Are you being prejudiced? No, I think you’re just being honest, not only with your potential partners but, with yourself.

It’s always puzzled me how so many swingers are so far to the right. Like you, I’d think that someone so uninhibited sexually, would be more liberal. The fact is, sexual desires and activities have little to do with beliefs outside of the bedroom (s).

I do think that you should think more about limiting your choice for a life’s partner to 100% straight. If you enjoy bisexuals being friends, you might enjoy one for a life partner too. If you think that a lifetime relationship doesn’t have to be monogamous, then consider all applicants that meet your political and religious requirements.

Good luck to you! J

[Long Duck Dong]

lol the idea that staying with our own race and cultures would work in theory.... if we were not already mixed bloodlines in the first place....... sure I am full blooded scottish but I live in a different country to scotland.... and a european person may have traces of other races in them.... so I embrace that idea that race purity is not something I can going to worry about..... and to be honest, I find asian people interesting, the same with native american indian, people of african descent, abboriginals from australia... and its more to do with their mannerisms, cultures and foods rather than the color of their skin ......

do I think its possible to be conservative and bisexual... sure.... you like men and women and in your heart you would enjoy both and more than just one of each....but in public, you not really be comfortable with the idea and having a different partner on your arm every week....... not everybody is poly free and ok with showing the world that....

and as for your relationship..... you know what is best for you in your life...... live life for you.... not for those that want you to live life for them

[gale_mn]

yes you can I see no reason

[Ebonybifemme7]

Yeah I know that people are mixed from past generations, but for the most part people are one color at least on the surface, I don't think races should mix.

I am a racial realist.

As a bisexual woman of color, I am a 3rd class citizen.

But anyways, this shit is too draining...let me log off.

[Gearbox]

Yeah I know that people are mixed from past generations, but for the most part people are one color at least on the surface, I don't think races should mix.

I am a racial realist.

As a bisexual woman of color, I am a 3rd class citizen.

But anyways, this shit is too draining...let me log off.
Is that what it's all about?: That as a 3rd class citizen (in your view) you don't think you should marry above your station?:confused:

I was wondering how you got the impression that marrying someone of your own race, religion, nationality etc would somehow avoid major issues. I can't even guess how many people do that and still get probs.lol
YES it would make sense to go for compatibility, but those things hardly guarantee it do they?

So what's going on in Wisconsin that puts you down as a 3rd class citizen, and how comes you care about that anyway?

[tenni]

I think that it depends upon what conservative means to you. In your country, you use conservative in a manner that political Canadian Conservatives do not dare support. No one is going to get elected in Canada promoting the destruction of medicare and cancelling same sex marriage equality rights. Even conservatives in Canada accept this. There were some minorities in Canada that did not want to support same sex marriage based on religious beliefs. They realized that equality for minorities can not be picked or rejected politically if that minority also wants equality based of another freedoms such as religion. Now, there are extremists by Canadian values who would match your Tea Party types. Are they Conservatives or extremist though? I think that they are extremists. I think that in your country some extremists of them fall under the banner of Republican...not all though. Our progressive extremists concerning marijuana are becoming more centrally accepted. The conservatives still do not support such legalization but will quietly support same sex marriage equality because they know that the constitution does not permit such radical positions.

I think that you may be progressive and supportive of sexual equality and still be a fiscal conservative. I would think that to perceive yourself as a third class citizen and accepting of such discrimination based on gender and race is beyond conservative to me. It seems like you would be supporting discrimination that personally impacts you. You could object and fight for equality and still want some aspects of politics as not progressive.

[darkeyes]

'Course its possible.. many conservatives r bi or gay...wetha its wise is anotha matta... conservatism and bisexuality r not always easy bedfellows... conservative prejudice creates much angst in many of my (gay) and your (bi) kind... worse if we add religion in2 the mix....:eek2:

Bisexual or gay Cons shud know the cure.. stop being conservative... dusn't do ya ne gud;)...

[Ja&Ve]

I think it's possible to be both from a fiscal standpoint, but not a social. That's takes some self loathing that I really have no energy for. As a bi-ethnic, pagan straight female with an Anglo bisexual catholic husband, it's not always an easy road, but it is certainly not boring. And I couldn't think of a more wonderful person to take the journey with.

hell, if we can make it, anyone can. But conservative? Not possible for us.

[2bi2Bboring]

It s easy for us white folks to talk about prejudice, we've rarely been the object of such angst unless we are openly gay. People pick and choose their prejudices like they're picking food on a buffet. I personally don't subscribe to the idea that I should hate much of anyone. I disagree with some but I don't hate them. Our political climate has digressed to the point of gun nuts carrying automatic weapons in McDonalds and the mall, and cops killing unarmed kids on the streets. I can see as a bisexual woman of color how you'd feel discriminated against, as a bisexual woman even black folk have their leering stares for people of alternative sexuality. Not fitting into the heteronormative group makes even race a negating factor of group identity. Feeling like 3rd class citizen is understandable but not something I feel you should simply accept and allow. Standing up for yourself is imperative, accepting the lot handed you because you fit into a minority within a minority is allowing those who would judge you victory in subjugating you. All power( except for the power of the state) is illusory, accepting that someone has power over you hands them the keys to your self imposed cell. Being judged by others doesn't mean you have to accept that judgement into your life. You confine yourself when you accept that judgement. Individuals don't hold power over one another unless we accept that power, but by law no one person determines your fate, only you do. If you feel like you are being judged by others because of your sexuality, you don't have to be around people who judge you, get new friends, you don't HAVE to live around family or associate with them.

My own family is a bunch of Bible thumping Jesus freaks who have nothing better to do than sit in judgement of others. I don't associate with them, because they're bigots. I pick my friends carefully, because I want to associate with people who have views similar to my own. I stopped giving a fuck what other people thought about me and my sexuality or politics years ago. I still have friends, I still have some family I associate with, but those people accept me for who I am. Like me or leave, I don't have to accept judgement from others. My life is my own, the same as your life is your own. You don't have to allow people to judge you simply because they're family. They'll still be your family afterward but that doesn't mean you have to allow them the satisfaction of sitting in judgement over you to make them feel better. It seems to me you've accepted this lot and call yourself "conservative" in order to avoid being judged. Conformity only makes you disappear, accepting their judgement only makes you feel bad. You may feel like a 3rd class citizen, but that's because you let others make you feel that way. Pardon me, but fuck that! Be proud of yourself, you have no reason to be ashamed of being bisexual, or of being a black woman, those are all things to be proud of. And anyone that tries to make you feel ashamed is a problem. Be a racial realist if that's what you want to call yourself but never allow anyone to make you feel ashamed or less than anyone else.

[northdallasguy]

I am both... very conservative socially and fiscally.

Granted, there are some conservative opinions that I don't agree with, and some liberal positions that I do agree with... but if I have to pick, I am much more conservative on the whole.

Our sexual identity has little to do with how we view the world and how we interact with it.

[open2both]

Of course!
I'm ISSUE oriented not LABEL oriented.
I'm PRO environment, pro choice, pro gay rights, etc.
I'm also pro gun rights, pro less govt., pro close the border, pro lower taxes, pro national security.
Basically do whatever you want BUT leave other people and their property ALONE!!

[Ebonybifemme7]

It s easy for us white folks to talk about prejudice, we've rarely been the object of such angst unless we are openly gay. People pick and choose their prejudices like they're picking food on a buffet. I personally don't subscribe to the idea that I should hate much of anyone. I disagree with some but I don't hate them. Our political climate has digressed to the point of gun nuts carrying automatic weapons in McDonalds and the mall, and cops killing unarmed kids on the streets. I can see as a bisexual woman of color how you'd feel discriminated against, as a bisexual woman even black folk have their leering stares for people of alternative sexuality. Not fitting into the heteronormative group makes even race a negating factor of group identity. Feeling like 3rd class citizen is understandable but not something I feel you should simply accept and allow. Standing up for yourself is imperative, accepting the lot handed you because you fit into a minority within a minority is allowing those who would judge you victory in subjugating you. All power( except for the power of the state) is illusory, accepting that someone has power over you hands them the keys to your self imposed cell. Being judged by others doesn't mean you have to accept that judgement into your life. You confine yourself when you accept that judgement. Individuals don't hold power over one another unless we accept that power, but by law no one person determines your fate, only you do. If you feel like you are being judged by others because of your sexuality, you don't have to be around people who judge you, get new friends, you don't HAVE to live around family or associate with them.

My own family is a bunch of Bible thumping Jesus freaks who have nothing better to do than sit in judgement of others. I don't associate with them, because they're bigots. I pick my friends carefully, because I want to associate with people who have views similar to my own. I stopped giving a fuck what other people thought about me and my sexuality or politics years ago. I still have friends, I still have some family I associate with, but those people accept me for who I am. Like me or leave, I don't have to accept judgement from others. My life is my own, the same as your life is your own. You don't have to allow people to judge you simply because they're family. They'll still be your family afterward but that doesn't mean you have to allow them the satisfaction of sitting in judgement over you to make them feel better. It seems to me you've accepted this lot and call yourself "conservative" in order to avoid being judged. Conformity only makes you disappear, accepting their judgement only makes you feel bad. You may feel like a 3rd class citizen, but that's because you let others make you feel that way. Pardon me, but fuck that! Be proud of yourself, you have no reason to be ashamed of being bisexual, or of being a black woman, those are all things to be proud of. And anyone that tries to make you feel ashamed is a problem. Be a racial realist if that's what you want to call yourself but never allow anyone to make you feel ashamed or less than anyone else.

Great post, look forward to another PM from me.

Loved all of your post, thanks.

[WebothBbi]

I can agree with the masses on here, it's SO ok to be any way you want to be. It's the individuality that makes each of us unique and beautiful. I, like you, believe that racially it's better to stick to your own kind in a long term relationship, and I too have seen those that haven't have a very rough time with it, both within their relationship as well as socially. As a bisexual couple, (this is the wife typing this) we have a lot of issues that arise that have had to be worked out and discussed. We don't always agree on everything either, we can agree to disagree, but typically we find a middle ground that we both can live with.
Embrace who you are and how you are to it's fullest. Never consider yourself a "third class citizen". Being unique is a gift, despite not feeling that way sometimes.
Like many of the other postings on here, I came from a very conservative, über republican, old fashioned family that quite loudly and frequently, vocalized their views. Oh the mouthed quieted when I finally got the nerve to come out! I initially did to my on, and she insisted it was a "phase", but sternly told me not to tell my father, the ex marine. 8years later my sister wanted to blackmail me into doing something and when I refused, she went to my father and "outed" me. To this day he's never directly talked about it, but on several occasions has said "sweetie, I don't care who or what you are, all I know is you are MY daughter, you are brilliant, caring, and you are not only a fantastic daughter, but a fantastic mother and wife. Never doubt my love." From that point on, I was ok. I hope you can find that same inner peace and not worry what others around you might view you as.

[jamieknyc]

In my experience, people's political beliefs usually follow their sociology independent of their sexual orientation. Politically active LGBT types have a certain amount of leftist politically correct regimentation, but they do not represent the great majority of gay or bi people who are regular folks.

[notmacbi]

I am an African american bisexual female. Single, 31 years old. Although I am bisexual, I'm still somewhat conservative. (Not just talking about politically but being conservative on somewhat of a public level). Inwardly I have a somewhat liberal view of sex, but outwardly conservative, if that makes sense.

I was replying back to a member on here, we were talking about first time experiences and I was telling him that I have lots of fantasies! Lots!

But in reality I am still very conservative, which is crazy because I am atheist. I love chatting and PM a lot of the same sex seeking men and women on this website. Back in the early 2000's I used to think that men were either straight or gay, that there was no in-between. Even though I am atheist, if I was in a relationship with a man (or even a woman) I would probably still go to church with him or her. I believe that no matter what a person believes in, they should stick together and have a united front. I think its all about compromise.

But I believe that people, when they seriously date and marry, should stick with their own kind racially and culturally. I don't think its good to intermix. I have friends who are biracial and they have major issues:eek2:. I think people of different races, culture and languages should be able and allowed to enjoy eachother without permanently and biologically crossing culture and racial lines.

I like chatting with bisexual (and same sex seeking) men, and having deep discussions, but I don't know if I could be in a serious relationship or marriage with one. I feel that in my case, its best for me to be with a man who is 100% straight.

Does this make me prejudice? I know a lot of people would say that I am a hypocrite because I go both ways.

I am both a well.. I think you are a well grounded person that thinks "things" through, and thoroughly. I also think that your sole and spirit are deep... so you may not be as much an atheist as you think. All in all, I think you are pretty cool!

[tenni]

In my experience, people's political beliefs usually follow their sociology independent of their sexual orientation. Politically active LGBT types have a certain amount of leftist politically correct regimentation, but they do not represent the great majority of gay or bi people who are regular folks.

Jamie
How do you know that a great majority of gay and bi people are regular folks? What makes a bisexual or gay person not a regular person?

[WebothBbi]

Tenni,

Hey! hey! Listen here Mr! I am SOOOO not normal or regular! I'm all kinds of unique and well, um, yeah! So there. (Lmao)

[2bi2Bboring]

Agreed WebothBbi, WE are exceptional! Why B normal? When I can be bi!:bibounce::bibounce: Speaking in the royal WE, of course!

[elian]

Given the distribution of people, the fact that at least one of them would be both bisexual and conservative would be inevitable. Your sexuality is only one characteristic of a whole person..

Oh wait, you don't mean politically conservative. You mean "introverted" ?

Oh yes, well because of my experience growing up, learning to trust people has sometimes been a challenge. The prospect of going to a party where I don't know a lot of people used to make me nervous; I felt as though they would be judging me or that I would say something stupid or I wouldn't meet their expectations. Of course, usually once I -actually go- to the party I usually enjoy spending time with people, but it's just getting over that initial fear.

I'm starting to realize more and more that people are people, you either love them or you don't and we all have strengths and weakness and it's nothing to be ashamed of.

[mas8092]

'Course its possible.. many conservatives r bi or gay...wetha its wise is anotha matta... conservatism and bisexuality r not always easy bedfellows... conservative prejudice creates much angst in many of my (gay) and your (bi) kind... worse if we add religion in2 the mix....:eek2:

Bisexual or gay Cons shud know the cure.. stop being conservative... dusn't do ya ne gud;)...

I think the disconnect here is what "conservative" means. There are fiscal conservatives, social conservatives and religious conservatives. One can be bi or gay and dislike big government spending. There are constitutional conservatives here in the US that object to the expansion of federal power. I fall into that category. Never have been in legion with the "every sperm is sacred" pro-life religious crowd. I take the Glenn Beck view that marriage is a religious rite that is not the business of the state. Civil unions are state sanctioned and grant specific legal rights. Same sex couples and heterosexual couples should both have the right to civil unions.

As a lawyer, gay marriage/unions are great because that means gay divorces!

On a serious note, it is certainly possible to be a conservative of one stripe or another and be bisexual or gay. The fact I love to have another man's penis in my mouth or ass has no influence on my view of government structure, fiscal policy or military intervention.

[plainguy]

I don't think race, sexual preference, gender or political views make some one conservative or not, each one of us are unique and different, THANK GOD , or your chosen higher power or what ever. if we were all the same I'd be bazooka barfing because we were all alike, makes no difference if we are brown skinned, white skinned or what ever, I am not beige I'm kind of olive thank you and I take each one on their own merits. OK I'll hop off the soap box and say yes you may be what ever you like because you are you, frankly I think you would be a great person to meet and talk with, just my 2 cents worth.

[pole_smoker]

I am not politically conservative, or even a very far left socialist. However, yes people can be gay/lesbian/bi/trans, and be politically conservative.

[Plumhead2]

Hmmm, my wife and I are different in some ways. She is conservative sexually and I am more "on the edge". I am politically liberal and she is apolitical, but probably more conservative. But what makes us so strong a couple is that our core values are so similar. We both strive to be good people. We both have big hearts. Even though we both are not part of organized religion, we are both spiritually centered. We both are capable of loving and receiving love. And there is a chemistry between us. We are drawn to each other. So even though we came from vastly different backgrounds, I would say that it has been a marvelous marriage of opposites.

[jamieknyc]

Jamie
How do you know that a great majority of gay and bi people are regular folks? What makes a bisexual or gay person not a regular person?
Maybe you live in some insular gay community similar to the Chelsea section of Manhattan. I have no idea what your personal situation is. But in the big world outside those little LGBT bubbles, there are millions of gay, lesbian and bi people who live the same way as their heterosexual neighbors and are indistinguishable from them outside the bedroom. The huge majority of people on this site are like those, too.

[tenni]

Maybe you live in some insular gay community similar to the Chelsea section of Manhattan. I have no idea what your personal situation is. But in the big world outside those little LGBT bubbles, there are millions of gay, lesbian and bi people who live the same way as their heterosexual neighbors and are indistinguishable from them outside the bedroom. The huge majority of people on this site are like those, too.

Thanks for the clarification. It does seem vague to use the term "regular" but I understand what you intended. I have no idea about the Chelsea section that you mention nor do I live in Toronto's gay village. Regular folks where I live accept same sex marriage as equal and legal. I do live in a more white bread city but I interact positively with my neighbours who are regular folks Muslim. She wears a head covering. Regular folks where I live do not carry guns even conservatives. Regular folks where I live are aware of discrimination and may even have experienced it but seem happy and peaceful. Regular folks where I live seem to elect what we call conservative politicians who believe and support (or accept at least) same sex marriage.

[zigzig]

I can't label myself as conservative or liberal. I'm like from Chris Rock quote that there are things I'm liberal and conservative about.

[kswinga01]

I personally don't ascribe to labels, so be whatever you want to be, and be happy being it!!!!

There isn't anything 3rd class about who/what you are. Don't worry about not fitting in a box that someone else built to make themselves more comfortable with the way they and the world interact.

[loftycraig]

absolutely

[marine20]

I am what you might call a tea party conservative, but tonight I sucked one man off , and let another man suck me . I guess it doesn't matter what your politics are.

[sailfish]

Absolutely. I am both bisexual and conservative.

[goldenfinger]

No matter where you live or what you believe, a compatible sense of humor is VERY important.
But I do not like hypocrite.

[cbb83]

To OP: Yes. Sexuality and political views / life styles are not mutually exclusive.

[cuttin2dachase]

I am a closeted bi man who keeps his delicious, exciting secret from family and straight friends, but loves to discuss all manner of sexual subjects (and have sex) with other bisexual or bi-friendly men and women. I don't advertise my bisexuality to the world, just as I don't shout out my religious, political, and social views from a rooftop or soapbox. I am very steadfast in my conservative, Christian beliefs. I prefer friendly debate to arguing with others as to who is right or wrong. I don't preach to others or foist my opinions, but I am very outspoken and will not sit still and remain quiet when my value system, beliefs or opinions are attacked by liberal nazis. I will always be polite and not lose my temper when I speak, but I will NEVER bow to political correctness or be made to feel guilty or apologetic for standing up for what I believe.

[2bi2Bboring]

Cuttin2dachase,
The term "liberal Nazi" is an oxymoron.
Liberals tend toward social permissiveness,(acceptance of your bisexuality/gay-ness/ whatever sexual flavor you may be), they tend to lean toward the left on social issues. Conservatism leans toward the right, extreme right wing politics is the view where Nazi-ism comes from, it is the opposite of liberal. Nazi-ism is an extremist position taken from the ultra-right wing and is a fundamentalist point of view. This was the root of why Nazi-ism and Socialist Soviet Russia were at odds in WWII. Nazi-ism is the extreme right, where Socialism is the extreme left. Either extremist point of view curbs the right of the individual to exercise his liberty. In my estimation, neither social experiment is desirable or works as they are both ultra-nationalist in nature.


I'm not criticizing you or your views, you're entitled to them without question. No liberal really wants to force their views down your throat, what they want is for logic to take hold and you to come to your own conclusion that we are all equal and equally entitled to justice and opportunity. If we are all equal, race, gender identity, and sexual preference are dead issues and cease to be debatable. It is unfortunate that the world doesn't quite work like that though. The dissent among conservatives from liberals is that conservatives look with nostalgia toward the past and want maintains the status quo as they perceive it, liberals want change, and look toward the future, they are progressive in nature.
I would suggest looking at Dictionary.com under synonyms for a better understanding, it was quite enlightening to me.

[olmizzou42]

The simple answer here is yes. I know a guy who makes Dick Cheney look like a flaming liberal but loves sucking cock and being fucked.

[cuttin2dachase]

Thanks for the history lesson and the political science 101 lecture. "Nazi" was the nickname for "National Socialist Party". They were fascists as were the Communists. They used violent tactics to consolidate their power. The fascists here use the same tactics too, but in a subtle, non-violent way. Tell big lies often enough and the ciizens will believe them. Use political correctness to silence opposition and truth. Sneakily erode patriotism, religious and moral fiber and basic God given and constitutional rights for the many in favor of the objections of a few. I could go on and on. They are the American brand of National Socialists and are elitist fascists as well. Change, as brought about by such people as Gandhi, Dr. King, Sister Teresa is noble and good. Melding their peaceful methods with fascist agendas to force changes which make our government our oligarchical god is as perverted as anything the Nazi/Communist fascists ever foisted and forced on their people.

Right wing-Left wing labels aside, one's sexual orientation and views are not aligned with and have nothing to do with one's political persuasion. Sexually, rather than politically speaking, conservatives, liberals and middle-of-the-roaders can all be very libertarian & libertine in their sexual orientations, beliefs and activities. People of all political persuasions can also be prudes, homophobes and asexuals.

[mas8092]

Excellent point

[void()]

If we are all equal, race, gender identity, and sexual preference are dead issues and cease to be debatable.

I would highly agree but add the notion of scarcity becomes dead as well. If we are equal then, we all have equal right to access to whatever object is desired or needed. And if the notion of scarcity is a dead argument, money is also dead because it ceases to serve any function. But this is only a different view one can accept or reject based on their experience, perceptions.

Addressing the original subject matter. Me and wife are very traditional. I grew up visiting grandparents a lot. This was needed because of issues regarding my stepfather. He disliked taking me on family vacations, I would spend two weeks of a Summer with grandma & pap.

They grew during an older time and through the Depression. They showed lessons of living from living them. In many ways me and wife are copies of grandma & pap. We keep ourselves a loving and working marriage. This means we know the path is not always clear nor does the sun always bless our steps, but hold sure on our way. This is love. :)

[Isitfun]

Are you kidding? Have you seen Magen Kelly on Fox news? Mmmm love to have her and my wife hook up!:tongue:

[Ebonybifemme7]

​Great replies. Loving it. Loving it.

[Realist]

Yes, I'm bisexual....have been for most of my life. I am also a gentleman, a veteran, a lover, and a contributor to some charities of my choosing. I also gripe about outrageous taxes, printing money with no value backing it up, and a government I don't trust. I try to vote my conscience, for those who should improve the quality of life and the security for this country. Haven't been very successful, lately, but I'm still voting.

Oh yes, I'm conservative.....if that means being responsible for my own actions, serving my country when called, opening the door for ladies, or giving short people a hand with stuff on shelves too high for them. I can't understand why those who are in love, no matter their gender, can't marry, if they choose to!

I'm proud to say I sent myself through college, then kept trying different things, until I found the job I wanted.....then earned my living the old fashioned way....I worked for it! I live within my means and if I don't have the money, I don't buy things I know I can't pay for.

I don't like people who hit, abuse, rape, and murder. No one should abuse women, or children, sell drugs to children, or anyone, for that matter. But I respect people who are a credit to themselves, their families, country, and race.

And, I don't want to share my pay with any lazy, dope-using parasite, who's never worked a day in his life and has 15 kids with 10 different women! Just as I don't think a woman with 10 kids by 10 different men deserve to e supported by the government! My heart bleeds for little kids who have parents, like that, too. They are the future of this country and how do you think they'll survive?

I think it's reasonable to make anyone take a drug test before getting social assistance, or welfare payments! I think any political figure, police officer, citizen, or soldier, should be put in jail, for violating the Constitution. Political figures should not enact laws that they do not have to submit to, themselves! They do not deserve pensions for life, for serving one term, either!

I also feel anyone, who is unquestionably guilty and gets himself incarcerated, should have to work for what he gets, even in jail.

Contrary to the way I was raised, I think there's good and bad people of all races and colors. I don't care who you are, you should expect to be treated with respect, as long as you are respectful. Respect is earned, not a right!

Oh, there's more, but you've got an idea about where I stand, now! My rant's over!

[Alex2200]

i not understand your emphasize with atheist. Technically i am also, but not a big deal to me. As for other comments, i agree race is important if u plan to pro-create. Other than that, it no big deal dear. i have dated all types. Race or sex not an issue. Just my opinion, of course.

[Ebonybifemme7]

i not understand your emphasize with atheist. Technically i am also, but not a big deal to me. As for other comments, i agree race is important if u plan to pro-create. Other than that, it no big deal dear. i have dated all types. Race or sex not an issue. Just my opinion, of course.


Well, most I dont think have a big deal with race or sex, but publicly they have to look good, ya know how it is.

[pole_smoker]

I have a gay male friend and he thinks that people who are LGBT but politically conservative are hypocrites, or are in denial about how the right wing parties in the United States and around the world are against LGBT rights for LGBT people.

[ieatyu]

Yes, I know that I am

[casual]

You're trying to have some way of hanging on to all your separate opinions about different subjects when they clash. You think about one thing, make up your mind about it, then move on to the next thing, make up your mind about that. Then you notice the way your opinions contradict one another. This happens when your opinions are based on matching to the reaction you expect to get from people socially. In each subject you take the position that gets you in the safe zone for that specific subject. You win that battle. You're on the right side. You can defend your position and win. But overall you have no basic concept that comprehensively aligns all of your separate opinions into a coordinated campaign of purposeful identity.

Unless you develop yourself an overall model of life that allows for contradictory opinions to be local perspectives, or one so abstract that none of this matters, you might have to abandon belief systems in favor of knowledge and reason, or, even better, artistic expression. You sound like someone half way up out of a hole asking why you're not still down at the bottom or up out of it yet. I detect some effort is underway that if you don't keep at it until you get it done, it will not get done. Nobody can answer your questions with anything but something else for you to think about until you do come up with your own answers. Such is thinking for yourself. When you get good at thinking for yourself, try thinking for others as if they were thinking for you.

Prejudice, opinions, should, shouldn't, ... as if there was a list somewhere of the right answers, and your job was to memorize the right answers, so anything you said would be the right thing to say. If everyone had that same list and all agreed, it might work to do it that way. But people have their own ideas and because the ideas serve different purposes, there is disagreement and conflict. What is right for one person is not right for someone else, nor should it be, nor could it be. This is where it depends on who you're talking to. Maybe it is more important to understand the nature of differences than it is to try for one universal version of what is right for everyone. Sexuality is an obvious candidate when you need a subject to talk about differences. Any subject that can be relied on to keep coming back up makes a good arena in which to battle the forces of hypocrisy, trying to finally get it right, until you lose interest in that fight, seeing it for what it is.

The appeal of conservatism that you seem to like is clarity of rules based on an absolute authority. Keep things in their places. Don't blur the lines. It's either right, or wrong. Black, or white. If only things are sorted and kept in their proper order, all goes well. This reflects an aversion to confusion. The problem is, to be a conservative you are limited to how things should be kept the same. Unless things already are the way you want them to stay, some progress is called for, so you switch from conservative to progressive. Now what? I think you'll find that being either conservative or liberal for its own sake is not practical outside of political campaigns. It's like always turning either left or right at every turn no matter that there is some destination you are trying to reach...you go in circles, and never get there.

In any case, whatever we actually do will happen in a specific encounter or relationship that, when it happens, is only slightly influenced by whatever opinions we may have about topics of conversation. There is you, and that other person you are with. Do you want the relationship to support your opinions of how a relationship should go, or do you want your opinions to support a relationship you actually have?

[robbiewillsucku]

yes yes yes - to be bisexual can be fun but to be liberal is just stupid.

I like kinky sex on tv but I don't want it on tv before 10:00 pm unless it is pay tv.

[robbiewillsucku]

Nazi-ism is an extremist position taken from the ultra-right wing ---- this is not correct.

most conservatives are strong on military and want a small federal government like our founding fathers set-up.



Cuttin2dachase,
The term "liberal Nazi" is an oxymoron.
Liberals tend toward social permissiveness,(acceptance of your bisexuality/gay-ness/ whatever sexual flavor you may be), they tend to lean toward the left on social issues. Conservatism leans toward the right, extreme right wing politics is the view where Nazi-ism comes from, it is the opposite of liberal. Nazi-ism is an extremist position taken from the ultra-right wing and is a fundamentalist point of view. This was the root of why Nazi-ism and Socialist Soviet Russia were at odds in WWII. Nazi-ism is the extreme right, where Socialism is the extreme left. Either extremist point of view curbs the right of the individual to exercise his liberty. In my estimation, neither social experiment is desirable or works as they are both ultra-nationalist in nature.


I'm not criticizing you or your views, you're entitled to them without question. No liberal really wants to force their views down your throat, what they want is for logic to take hold and you to come to your own conclusion that we are all equal and equally entitled to justice and opportunity. If we are all equal, race, gender identity, and sexual preference are dead issues and cease to be debatable. It is unfortunate that the world doesn't quite work like that though. The dissent among conservatives from liberals is that conservatives look with nostalgia toward the past and want maintains the status quo as they perceive it, liberals want change, and look toward the future, they are progressive in nature.
I would suggest looking at Dictionary.com under synonyms for a better understanding, it was quite enlightening to me.

[oldoralman]

Yes. I am definately a fiscal conservative and support many conservative philosophies. I just love to have fun going both ways.

[BiBedBud]

Ebonybifemme7,

When I first read this thread, some few weeks ago when you first posted it, I wanted to respond but was too busy at the time, and I had a lot to say then.

Since then, I've found some extra time, and I'm clearer about what I wanted to write -- which will be more succinct now.

From what I gather, given what you've written in this thread, your concept of "Conservative" really has nothing to do with what actual "Conservatives" would call "Conservative". Rather, you seem to be mistakenly using the word "Conservative", whereas what you actually should have used was "Conformative".

You seem to want to *conform* to those around you, and you deem them to be "conservative", whereas they are actually just "reserved" (not flaunty or flirtatious, but staid and conforming to community expectations).

To be an actual "Conservative", you'd have to speak more clearly to economic matters, or to issues like "the good old days". Instead, your concept seems to me to be more like "Conformity". You want to seem like those around you, that you're keen to fit in with.

Of course, in case you're still asking.......... I don't expect this will be a path toward your happiness or greater self-realization. How do you expect to individualize your experience on this earth, while your so keen to fit in with those who are advocating a singular human experience?


I'd also like to say: I've worked and travelled all across the eastern half of the US, and I spent several months in Milwaukee, so I know a little about the soup you're swimming in over there. One thing really struck me about Milwaukee: That is one deeply segregated city -- moreso than any I've worked in in the south -- and I'm talking deeeeeep south. What practically blew me away, was how ya'll do lunch-hour. When it came time for everyone to break for lunch, those who ate in the company cafeteria were perfectly segregated -- white people at some tables, and black people at other tables -- even though, on a day-to-day basis, they worked together. I'm talking, Black executives were lunching with the Black Janitor, and the White executives were lunching with the White support staff. Everywhere else I've been, and I'm talking East Texas, Louisianna, Mississippi, 'bama and Georgia -- everywhere else, the lunch seating wasn't so strictly racially divided, but organizational hierarchy played a roll.

In Milwaukee -- for starters, there's only either White People or Black People, no other kinds of folks to speak of (in any significant numbers). On top of which, the place seems even more segregated than the south. Altogether, this lends me the impression that your concepts of "race relations" are rather skewed and "off" of what the reality can be elsewhere.

I can tell you, as a "bi-racial person" (for lack of a better term), I think you're dead wrong about "mixing" (as you put it). I think a big part of why you're wrong, is owing to the extremely polarized place you live, your extremely restrictive upbringing as a JW, and your continued life in a rather small soup bowl, where the beans keep away from the rice, and the rice ain't got no time for the beans.

I suggest you travel some. See more cosmopolitain places. Discover that there are other "races" than "White" and "Black".

Lookit: I'm not trying to second guess how hard it must be to be Black in America. All I'm trying to get across is that the world is bigger than that, and you owe it to yourself to try to look beyond the boundaries of the narrow place you've been born into. If you did, you'd discover that people of different "races" are really more alike than they are different -- and that those with an open mind can receive riches that their closed-minded kin cannot even imagine. By "riches" I mean the wealth of friends, family and love. Love is boundless -- and if you try to restrict it, out of some desire to "conform" to your "peers" in "the Black Community", you'll always be restricting your experience in this lifetime, and it'll cost you things you'll be poorer for missing. JMT.

Since I'm pretty sure you'll wonder: My parents are still happilly married, for almost 50 years now; even though one is "White" and the other is "Brown" (European and South Asian). I have two siblings, and altogether, for all of us, life is GREAT!

Try to keep an open mind, while "thinking about it". Otherwise, you're not actualy thinking, you're just re-thinking what you've been taught to think.

IN SUM: Yes, of course it is possible to be both "Conservative" and bisexual; but that's not what you were talking about in your OP. There, you were referring to "conformity" rather than actual "conservatism". :2cents:

[BiBedBud]

BUMP!

[bithesea]

I am both. The conservatives I know could not care less who you kiss or marry. I find that my liberal friends think that if you don't buy into their whole program then you don't "get it" and can't be one of them. My conservative friends, including a few diehard Democrats, have a spectrum of beliefs on issues . . . Just like their sexuality!
BTW, in the early 20th century in the States anyway, we used to be called "liberal" when the other main choices were Communist, Socialist, monarchist, etc. somehow that name was co-opted by a group that is decidedly un-liberal.
As far as non-mixing of cultures, I respect your right to that belief, but I disagree.
thanks for starting a meaningful thread.

[Backdoorman]

I am conservative financially on the political spectrum. I don't care who you date and I am for same sex marriage if it is loving. I am not in favor of continued financial support of people that can work. Life has its bumps that is for sure so help is needed at some points in life. But continued government support will not help the situation. By the way I am a bisexual cross-dresser...Yikes!

[Inhibited1]

Of course. I'm a living example.

[centillini]

I am bisexual and conservative. never figured out how sexual position effected politics. I guess once people realize that a "political" group is just using them for a springboard for there own agenda they would wise up.