Westboro Phelps near Death....

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I hope there's a special place in hell for this Old Bastard. Protesting about his hatred against gays are one thing, but protesting the deaths of Military personnell is quite another. I personally know a family that had these fuckers show up at their son's funeral, and the Patriot Guard stood between the Westboro Church and the funeral so that the family could lay their child to rest in honor, and in peace. If it hadnt been for the Guard my friend said she wouldnt have been at all surprised if the WBC would have come right up to them. She actually feared for the rest of her family and friends.
Am I sounding Un-Christian-like in my views? Oh well......

http://news.yahoo.com/fred-phelps-founder-rabid-westboro-baptist-church-said-194927932.html;_ylt=AwrBEiTAaiZT4RQApOPQtDMD

[sailorashore]

[QUOTE=Cherokee_Mountaincat;266978]I hope there's a special place in hell for this Old Bastard.

There is Cat. There has to be.

[goldenfinger]

I hope there's a special place in hell for this Old Bastard. Protesting about his hatred against gays are one thing, but protesting the deaths of Military personnell is quite another. I personally know a family that had these fuckers show up at their son's funeral, and the Patriot Guard stood between the Westboro Church and the funeral so that the family could lay their child to rest in honor, and in peace. If it hadnt been for the Guard my friend said she wouldnt have been at all surprised if the WBC would have come right up to them. She actually feared for the rest of her family and friends.
Am I sounding Un-Christian-like in my views? Oh well......


http://news.yahoo.com/fred-phelps-founder-rabid-westboro-baptist-church-said-194927932.html;_ylt=AwrBEiTAaiZT4RQApOPQtDMD

A "special place" I hope not, but he will rot just like the rest of us, 6 ft below. I wonder who will picket at his funeral. I can just see it, 1000's of people with signs saying "THANK GOD FOR TAKEN HIM NOW" or something like that. Haha.

[Ja&Ve]

Ah, couldn't be happening to a more deserving person

[4_oral_fun]

He will be judged accordingly. Don't judge all christians by this grouop of idiots, they are not christian. I know many good Baptist people who even though they don't agree with a gay or bi lifestyle, they will still be friendly and love you. They will tell you their beliefs and still respect you as a person, love you and not hate you. This WBC are a very confused and hateful bunch, leave my military brethren alone.

[12voltyV2.0]

You really have to feel sorry for these sorts since they hate so profoundly and deeply and I think that it is pretty clear--holding on to and acting on such hate is really a destructive thing for all involved.

It is one thing that the adults in this family live this way---as adults they have pretty much every right to be assholes and idiots if they want to be----but to raise kids that way and teach them to hate, judge and vilify others to me is just some downright FUCKED UP SHIT!!!!!

[12voltyV2.0]

Something very interesting---old man Phelps was apparently ex-communicated from his own church and the possible reason for that---is "vvvvveeeerrrryyy intervesting!"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/16/1285133/-Fred-Phelps-of-Westboro-Baptist-Protests-Near-Death#?detail=facebook

[Cursubm]

He'll need to deal with all the bad karma he created for himself.

[elian]

You know, I wouldn't wish anyone who is grieving to have to put up with it but an interesting thing always happens when the WBC protests some place. They bring out their 6-7 people who hold up signs vs. about 100+ other folks around them promoting diversity, love, tolerance and compassion. Sometimes it takes a catalyst like this to motivate people to action.

My philosophy is that if you can't say anything at all nice about someone at least you can say, "All beings want to be happy". The man is obviously very troubled, I hope that he does find peace, but I pray even more that he would have to walk, just for a little while, in the shoes of the people he was railing against..just so he can see what it is like to be in their place.. Maybe then he can tell me with authority what part of creation is worthy of respect.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I am usually a very level-headed and compassionate person...or I Try to be. But when the Mother of a fallen 19 year old Afganistan Vet is spit upon while getting out of the car at her child's funeral, my brain kinda gets a bit unreasonable. This chick just ran up and spit directly into her face. She was quickly grabbed and escorted back to the protestors, kicking and screaming obscenities all the way. Nice for "Church going folks" huh? Glad I wasnt there...somebody would have kissed grass....;)

I dont know about any of the speculations of him being Gay, or having had a bad sexual experience..I dont really know nor Care. I just hope his whole flucking flock will now see that what their leader did was so wrong and so hateful to everybody that they protested, or were cruel and hateful Towards. With him gone, maybe they can stop teaching their children hate, too. from my experiences, this is doubtful, but I pray so. We shall see.
Cat

[12voltyV2.0]

I came up a story earlier today but didn't copy the link about one of Phelps' sons---he is totally different from his father---he is leading an effort to protect and support GLBT rights and to help with acceptance of GLBT people. Needless to say--he was kicked out of the clan for being so "ungodly" and sinful.

[Realist]

I've often noticed that when radical/fanatical/irrational people like Phelps have children, they are often opposites of their parents. That's certainly true in my case....and I hope it is in this case.

Anyway, it would seem that anyone could see that their actions are against all ideals of human decency and absolutely not acceptable. Hopefully that era is over!

[elian]

I could say or do a lot more unkind things but I finally settled on praying for them Cat, (and for all the people they've hurt) - because they obviously don't know the love of the creator that I know.

I am so tired of people disrespecting one another..I can't be the only one.

December 6, 2012 -

"I had a strange dream last night. I held a baby in my arms, it was wrapped in a blanket. I held on to that baby for dear life, walking through a dark forest giving it as much love and protection as I possibly could, for as long as I could, until I was exhausted and still I wanted to give more."

.. 8 days later the Sandy Hook shooting happened..

Is there anything I can do to convince the other 7 billion people that live here we are not a machine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdvVpXc2_q8

[aLABiM75 & StrF51]

It appears they are doing everything they can to not get that 'I am Gay and thus why I hated Gay people' death bed comment to go public.

My hope is Westboro spends a LOT of money for Security and no one shows to even protest.
The last thing they need is to think people care about or even supported their cause.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Protesting His funeral would only make him a Martyr, and he doesnt deserve that. I hope he faces his marker openly and honestly and gets smacked in the head and hears, "What were you thinking..Idjet" lol
Cat, being silly

[elian]

If only that were true, maybe then we could finally lay this whole situation to rest. It's hard to imagine that people would want to go on hating, but it's a strange world sometimes.



.. 'I am Gay and thus why I hated Gay people' death bed comment ..

[Dead Account]

Welp- I can and must say grudges poison me not him, so I wish him well wherever he's going.

[void()]

Welp- I can and must say grudges poison me not him, so I wish him well wherever he's going.

* nods & smiles whilst pointing up to the quote above *

[12voltyV2.0]

There is one thing that is clear about such intense hatred and bile that we humans might hold---it really is like a cancer or some other disease that takes the hater down more than the object or objects of the hatred and enmity.

Look at the Deep South with the intense hatred that many white southerners held----it was as destructive for them as it was for the black folks and in order to keep "the black man" down--economically and almost every other way---the prevention of "progress and advancement" did harm to the entire southern culture, economy and the people themselves.

Sadly---it seems that we have an element of people who seemingly want to return to a time where they bring back that hatred, bigotry and such. There was a story going around late last week on Facebook about some politician out in either North or South Dakota in which the guy wants to pass legislation that would allow the KKK or anyone else to be able to once again prohibit blacks and other minorities from being served by their businesses. I am sure that GLBT people are also included in that.

I think that in so many ways---we have lost our way and it seems that "the lunatics are now in charge of the asylum."

[void()]

I think that in so many ways---we have lost our way and it seems that "the lunatics are now in charge of the asylum."

As a lunatic, I assure you, not quite yet. If we were, there would love, peace, chicken grease for all regardless of whom/who/what they were, will be. If you are vegan or otherwise allergic to animal greases, we'll grant you organic non-gmo canola oil instead. :) Everyone gets slippery and plays naked twister on the count of three, two, ... ;)

[12voltyV2.0]

Here is a story about that legislator I talked about, he is from South Dakota: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/17/south-dakota-phil-jensen_n_4980492.html

[tenni]

There is one thing that is clear about such intense hatred and bile that we humans might hold---it really is like a cancer or some other disease that takes the hater down more than the object or objects of the hatred and enmity.

Look at the Deep South with the intense hatred that many white southerners held----it was as destructive for them as it was for the black folks and in order to keep "the black man" down--economically and almost every other way---the prevention of "progress and advancement" did harm to the entire southern culture, economy and the people themselves.

Sadly---it seems that we have an element of people who seemingly want to return to a time where they bring back that hatred, bigotry and such. There was a story going around late last week on Facebook about some politician out in either North or South Dakota in which the guy wants to pass legislation that would allow the KKK or anyone else to be able to once again prohibit blacks and other minorities from being served by their businesses. I am sure that GLBT people are also included in that.

I think that in so many ways---we have lost our way and it seems that "the lunatics are now in charge of the asylum."

I'd like to comment on a couple of points based on Volty's post. I read in a Canadian newspaper recently a perspective on Phelps. The main point of the article was similar but different than what Volty posts and a few others like Cat. You can not really deal with hatred and bigotry by hating and expressing death curses to this man. That eye for an eye approach will not really improve society.

The other point deals with a couple of differences between the USA and more nordic countries. The US seems to emphasis the individual at the expense of the collective good for all citizens at times. This seems to arise in equality scenarios most often. A society is a collective working towards the collective good and the government's purpose is to create an environment where the collective good may exist for all citizens rights whether it is access to human rights, medical access etc. One person's rights end at their nose type of philosophy rather than protecting the individual's rights to discriminate and let bigotry flourish.

[void()]

A society is a collective working towards the collective good and the government's purpose is to create an environment where the collective good may exist for all citizens rights whether it is access to human rights, medical access etc. One person's rights end at their nose type of philosophy rather than protecting the individual's rights to discriminate and let bigotry flourish.

Doing some research I run into reading about how in the 1930's here in
America, corporations were manifest as public entities. These "public
entities" were created ad hoc as needed. "We need a road built over
yonder, leading out to old Jappy's homestead." "Okay, we'll get the
ABC corporation to do that, then dissolve ABC corporation."

Now, corporations continue for years and enjoy personable rights. That
is to say the government affords them the rights of being "legal"
flesh and blood persons. And these legal persons can in essence get
away with murder. "Oh we just followed legal protocol, made a buck
for the shareholders."

Not saying it is correct, ethical, moral. I am just showing there has
been a vast change in a cultural acceptance, nearly a reversal. This
is also part and parcel with what you're expressing. Not all of us in
America like or care much for this "way". We would prefer a government
unhindered by corporate, banking interests. We would like a government
that as you say would provide for the common welfare of its citizens.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit
of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles
and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most
likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will
dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for
light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn,
that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are
accustomed.

http://tinyurl.com/3padsj


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more
perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide
for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

http://tinyurl.com/hxn87

Many of us believe we had already settled these issues. We fought a war
to be free of the crown, to do just as you say, create a government
which worked toward the good of all. It seems unfortunately, such
did not happen, or if it did it, it was reversed upon us.

So now, we fight wars for corporations and banks to profit. And
it won't end because profit exists. Profit and power are two silly
illusions we create as humans. Nature has no need of them. Now, you
realize a bit of why I seem misanthropic at times. Humans are plain
out stupid. And yes, at times that is self-inclusive. *grins*

[long fuse]

Something very interesting---old man Phelps was apparently ex-communicated from his own church and the possible reason for that---is "vvvvveeeerrrryyy intervesting!"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/16/1285133/-Fred-Phelps-of-Westboro-Baptist-Protests-Near-Death#?detail=facebook

Come to find out that Mr. Phelps was ex-communicated for his wanting to settle a battle within his own church. He wanted more acceptance of others views on a dispute about being to up in your face about protests. For this, his daughter (who was on the majority side) kicked him out of the church. As for protesting his funeral, won't happen; they don't belive in them so nothing to protest.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I'm very surprised that his daughter was behind this. She's just as big of a bigot as her Father is.
Cat

[elian]

I wanted to post this before but the place where it is supposed to be hosted hasn't put it up yet. Here is a recording of a sermon given by Rev. Frank Schafer, who was defrocked for officiating the marriage of his son and his son's same sex partner . In a lot of ways it is the antithesis of WBC's message..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iyxu1anlrt0b7gd/2014-03-16_Frank_Schaefer_Market_Street_trimmed.mp3

As far as the US goes of course we do things differently., this country was more or less founded by "independent" people, heretical thinkers, prisoners and opportunists..people that didn't really fit into "Colonial Europe" ..

We have a really big country geographically, so if you get pissed off, or you piss someone else off there is enough LAND to actually move and start a new life..unlike say the Middle East where they still talk about the crusades as if it happened yesterday because there is no where to go that doesn't remind you of the history.

So yes, in a country this big people do need to rely on themselves to a certain extent. You can't enforce every square inch. That doesn't mean that being a vigilante is a good thing, but some things are just not practical (like a super-fast national public train system -- drools).

Look, I was originally going to post a video of Rage Against the Machine's "Testify" video because honesty that is how I was feeling the other day when I deleted that post - I think it is disgusting the way politics has co-opted religion but I imagine if I was a "family values" sort of guy I wouldn't think twice about giving money to some political lobby to try to enforce those sort of rules as law.

Like I said before - the difference is when you have direct personal experience with LGBT folks, once you KNOW an actual LGBT person it's game over - but until then all you KNOW is what other people tell you about "gays".. Why do you think WBC protests so hard at LGBT documentary showings. They don't want to "promote the lifestyle" - in other words, they would rather not have people see that LGBT people are really pretty much just like every other human being except for who they love..

[biblkman]

This is going to be harsh but fuck it...

Phelps is dead and im glad!
I have symphony and compassion for my fellow man but Phelps and his followers are inhuman!

I know this is wrong cruel and completely out of character for me but...
I wish i was at his funeral so i could give his people a taste of there own medicine! ! As much as i feel for the people in his family who are mourning and didnt agree with his distorted views, my hatred for Phelps and people like him who are so homophobic and full of hate that they cause other people suffering as they are already suffering from the loss of a loved one, that my sense of compassion is overridden with contemp , spite and a childish glee .

I know that makes me wrong and a bit of a monsters... but FUCK Phelps! I'm glad he's dead and wish the same for his hurtful, closed minded, offensive, homophobic and downright evil followers.

Im a monster when it comes to this...but thats the way i feel

[Realist]

The trouble is, Biblkman, when assholes die, it seems that two more take their places!

I know that's being pessimistic, but my glass is half empty!

[tenni]

Did I read correctly that there will be no funeral? His organization doesn't believe in funerals?...just protesting funerals? lol

I also wonder if the best way to deal with such bigots is to stop mentioning their name or continue to vilify the guy after death as some kind of warning to be vigilant?

[McBice]

While one more ego maniacal, fire and brimstone, creepy bible thumper biting the dust is nothing new and hardly news worthy, I shall rest much easier in the knowledge that at least when I get there, my room in hell will be a little bit further away from the guy that invented Karaoke. The good Reverend Phelps, on the other hand will be in the thin walled super suite right next door for eternity. And while its ok to curse him and the evil he has done, let us not forget to be thankful for the good he actually did for LBGT community. His bid for Warhol time by desecrating American Service men and women was basically walking up and whacking a sleeping grizzly bear on the nose with a short piece of garden hose. Millions of politically middle of the road Americans who couldn't care less one way or the other about the LBGT cause now lean to it if not outright strongly support it. That's actually a lot more than a whole slew of Hollywood celebrities could do in their whole careers. So thanks for the allies Reverend Phelps, and don't forget, the devil has been eagerly waiting to see someone do some cool air guitar licks on the lead break in Welcome to the Jungle

[Sparky]

...And while its ok to curse him and the evil he has done, let us not forget to be thankful for the good he actually did for LBGT community. His bid for Warhol time by desecrating American Service men and women was basically walking up and whacking a sleeping grizzly bear on the nose with a short piece of garden hose. Millions of politically middle of the road Americans who couldn't care less one way or the other about the LBGT cause now lean to it if not outright strongly support it.

Amen...

[tenni]

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/westboro’s-picket-against-lorde-met-messages-sympathy-family-fred-phelps220314

Westboro Baptist Church picketed Kiwi pop star Lorde’s concert in Kansas City, Missouri armed with their homophobic posters but were faced with counter protests of sympathy for the death of their leader Fred Phelps. - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/westboro%E2%80%99s-picket-against-lorde-met-messages-sympathy-family-fred-phelps220314#sthash.NVLtthho.dpuf

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[elian]

That's really cool tenni..because you know if folks were to hate on them that would just give them more justification to think the world was wicked and they need to keep protesting.

[ghost_of_bluebiyou]

Excommunicated?
Such a Catholic/Papist term for a "southern baptist". How... infinitely incriminating.
Did my prediction of years ago pan out?
Was he a closet gay?
Was he a pedophile?
Trying to distract from his actions by accusing others?

It wasn't the first time this psychological sort of thing has happened.
It won't be the last.

Blue

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Well..it dont matter now. The old Bastard is dead. Wouldnt surprise me any to hear of the daughter taking the reins soon. We shall see....
Cat.

[12voltyV2.0]

I think it was a good way to "counter protest" the death of Phelps. Even though what he taught and was about was hate, nastiness, vile and bile and such----to respond in kind to the man's death---only plays into and perpetuates the cycle of hatred and such that Phelps set off and that is not good for anyone--as much as even I have at times joked along the lines that "I'd like to take them out" when referring to the Phelps clan----that really is not the way to go and to show these self-professed "only real Christians" that they are totally wrong and have corrupted the message and ways of Jesus---is to reflect back to them some true Christ-like actions.

To offer them condolences at the loss of a loved one--no matter how nasty an old bastard old man Phelps probably was, is the right, proper, kind and HUMAN thing to do.

I know that I am still sensitive about the loss of a loved one with the recent passing of my father. You can be sure that even those members of the Phelps clan that had fallen out with the old man----still had a love and soft place for their father, uncle, etc.

In that way, I do feel for the family and sorry for their loss and I don't make any sort of judgements about where the old man's soul is going to spend eternity---if you believe truly in something beyond----where a person goes has nothing to do what we among the living think. That is a matter between whatever is the true nature of "god" and probably as much as anything, has to do with the way we lived our lives and what sort of thoughts and such about things we held in our minds, heart and soul, with those thoughts, feelings and actions determining whether we go to "heaven or hell" which I think are actually places of our own making.