Duck Dynasty reality star indefinite suspension for opposing same sex acts

[tenni]

Phil Robertson (patriarch of Duck Dynasty reality show) was indefinitely suspended for his “hate” statements about same sex play.


“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong... Sin becomes fine,” he said. “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

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GQ interview at
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson

GLAAD came out with the following statement.

“Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe,” GLAAD’s Wilson Cruz. “He clearly knows nothing about gay people or the majority of Louisianans — and Americans — who support legal recognition for loving and committed gay and lesbian couples.
“Phil’s decision to push vile and extreme stereotypes is a stain on A&E and his sponsors who now need to reexamine their ties to someone with such public disdain for LGBT people and families."

I note that GLAAD did not mention bisexuals in loving committed same sex couples but refers to loving gay and lesbian committed couples. We do not count again as far as some gay and lesbian spokespeople. (Bi Erasure)

Robertson’s argument that homosexual behaviour morphs out to include promiscuity and bestiality seems a bit of a stretch. Those same sex couples who argue that same sex relationships may be monogamous is never mentioned in his argument but it seems to infer that only hetero relationships may be monogamous. Let alone condemning bisexuals who have more than one partner of each gender.


Was A&E correct to suspend Robertson indefinitley or should he be permitted to make these statements to other media while he is starring on an A&E show?

[Top fucker]

Is anyone really surprised? Some guy from the deep south is born again and against LGBT people. I don't watch the TV show and apparently it's a reality TV show that a lot of people seem to enjoy. While I don't agree with what he said at all he has the right to say it in an interview. GLAAD is a pointless organization that takes lots of money from LGBT people but does nothing besides ultra PC censorship of TV shows and movies they do not personally like.

[Top fucker]

I don't think anyone thought Robertson's comments were the official policy statement of the A&E network. All the network had to say was the following: "Phil Robertson's comments reflect his own personal beliefs and not the views of the A&E Network, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community." Ending the statement there would have ended the controversy. Then again there's hypocrisy in so called freedom of speech Oprah can say that old people and everyone that's not African American should die and nobody calls her out on it or bats an eye.

[dmw897]

Every person has their own opinion and should be free to express it

[fredtyg]

Every person has their own opinion and should be free to express it

Exactly, and as I've wrote elsewhere, I don't feel his comments amount to bigotry as some have suggested. Even some homosexuals find anal sex unpleasant if not disgusting. He said he disapproved of that and other activities. Good for him. It's his personal feelings and sexual preferences, not bigotry.

We should all be disturbed when someone is punished for their opinion. TF is right. A&E could have simply issued a statement that those sentiments don't express the network's. Yet I also feel they're free to run their network as they see fit. I just hate seeing them bow to political correctness.

[elian]

I have heard lots of comments from straight dudes about how they just don't understand anal sex..I don't take offense at every one of them unless there is clear malicious intent - I don't think the intent of this person is malicious..but he IS a celebrity so everyone will cling to that and use it to promote their cause regardless.

Believe me, my heart has been broken before over not being able to publicly show half the people I love that I love them but that's just life and you've got to pick and choose the moments you feel are truly important in life.

The thing that makes a difference is personal connections - personally getting to know someone who is LGBT and realizing that maybe they aren't that different than anyone else. That is what changes people's minds.

Actually for a long time I wasn't sure I cared for anal sex either, and I'm still not sure - but I know prostate massage is very pleasurable ..

[Gearbox]

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong... Sin becomes fine,” he said. “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”
A harmless opinion would have been, "Anal sex with men is something I don't like or can relate to."
What he said was not harmless IMO. He's saying that homo/bisexuaity is a mental illness that leads to beastiality, that it's wrong and sinful and people should be against it. That's rallying discrimination, not just a personal opinion.

[Top fucker]

A harmless opinion would have been, "Anal sex with men is something I don't like or can relate to." What he said was not harmless IMO. He's saying that homo/bisexuaity is a mental illness that leads to beastiality, that it's wrong and sinful and people should be against it. That's rallying discrimination, not just a personal opinion. How was his statement "hate based"? He stated that "he" (Phil Robertson) likes vagina better, and he does not understand LGBT people since he is heterosexual. That's not hateful it's a personal opinion. It's also not like he is condoning or calling for hate crimes or violence against LGBT people. Did you even read the actual interview? Or instead like most people did you just read the tiny excerpts that the media pulled out, and went crazy with and took out of context. Either way I don't care if he does not like LGBT people, or if he's born again Christian as it does not effect me or my personal life. But the so called LGBT "community" in North America and the developed world will flip out about a hunter and successful businessman with a reality TV show giving his personal opinions in an interview instead of focusing on things that actually matter like they've always done. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zDV8PgsCbzI/UrL6R2EUO0I/AAAAAAACr3M/fOnTUWHKn-c/s400/NOMFB.jpg

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http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/12/18/duck-dynasty-star-a-vagina-is-more-desirable-than-a-mans-anus/


“I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”


“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” Robertson told GQ. “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

-- Phil Robertson's words

I agree, he is stating an opinion. This I do not see as hate speech.
I read his words; Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right; as mere
opined advice. I agree, deceiving oneself is not right.

I disagree with his opinion regarding organized religion. That does not
mean he is not entitled to opine. It does not mean the media network
can not present his opinion. It does not mean others may not share his
opinion, agree with it.

I disagree with his opinion regarding homosexuality, bisexuality by
extension. So? He can still have and voice his opinion. If I do not
choose to share that opinion, I will not. If I dislike hearing his
opinion, I have no need to watch the show he and his family are on, or
anything relating to them. I have that right, to not listen, same as he
has a right to express an opinion.

[BiMaleAB]

What is it about Duck dynasty that people seem to enjoy? In my opinion it is a show that should have never made it pastt he pilot. Just another garbage TV show that I would never give the time of day.

[Paulsson]

This is simply another case of the PC police running amuck. Phil Robertson admits that he was a hellion at one point and it took loosing his family for him to turn his life around. He has had the same or similar issues that everyone else faces. His opinions are his and he isn't trying to force these on anyone else. It was in an interview that he expressed them. Contrarily, many special interest leaders and so called stars, that are so removed from reality, use comments like these to scare anyone that has a different opinion into silence. Whatever our opinions are about any subject, if we become silenced we loose control to those that want all control.

[tenni]

When I look at a meaning of “hate”, it states that hate is an intense or passionate dislike for something.


Phil Robertson connects same sex activity to beastiality and promiscuity. I personally am fine with him connecting same sex activity to a Christian's concept of promiscuity but I know other bisexuals are very much offended with this connection. I don't see anything wrong with promiscuity but Robertson attaches promiscuity as something that he is passionate as seeing it as a sin. Sin is wrong according to Robertson. (next step beastiality). Imo, this is hate hiding under “hate the sin and not the sinner” BS. Robertson partially personalizes his view when he speaks about vaginas as being more "natural" but not when he connects same sex activity to bestiality and promiscuity as a sin. It is not stating that it would be a sin for him but point blank ..same sex play is wrong/sin for everyone.

I agree with Gear that Robertson goes too far with his connection to same sex activity with beastiality and promoting that promiscuity is wrong. It is false and those that are supporting “free speech” may be encouraging hatred towards themselves. Hell, the rest of the world know how fekn nuts US peeps are with guns and killings. This is all connected in some crazy's mind and the blood of future bisexuals and gay people may still be on Robertson's hands if left in a role model position. It seems few on this site from the US will connect his words with others actions. He will not be responsible for hatred gone nuts in others.

This programme seems to promote guns but as I have not seen it, I don’t know how much it promotes guns and gun violence (well there are the images of ducks and guns in promos ). I read last night that there have been over 50 school incidents of gun murder/violence and one case of a shoe bomber since Colombine. Everyone has to take of their shoes off at airports now but nothing is done about gun violence in the US. Instead, US peeps here seems to wish to disconnect Robertson’s words from any future violence towards same sex activists. He is only expressing his opinion and can not be held accountable for violence towards same sex participants.

Nope, this hatred is a passion that rings a bit too close to promoting violence towards gays/bisexuals to be ignored. Removing him from the programme may seem extreme to some. I don't think that they are looking at the subtle hatred that he holds. They don't connect the dots very well. It is still hatred and those that want to be fucked /fisted up an arse are first in line as being seen as perverted sinners who should be disposed of. I can see some crazy fekr doing that with his multi guns Only in the USA? not necessarily but likely based on US past gun violent history. US teens feel entitled to take a gun to school and seek out to kill a teacher. Why not the sinner homos who suck cocks before the homo/bisexuals start fucking ducks?….lol

I suspect there will be rants about the US constitution rights to follow this posting..yada yada …:(

[Gearbox]

How was his statement "hate based"?
I didn't say it was hate based. I didn't say it wasn't his opinion! I said its a harmful opinion and that he was rallying support of it.
Not long ago, homosexuality being a mental illness wasn't an opinion but a medical 'fact', and many people suffered from the result of that. Not very long ago homosexuals were put through 'conversion therapy' by Christians coz it was also 'sinnfull'.
I'd recon that his opinions were harmful, and some measure of responsibility should be shown by the network that aired them. He was not chatting on the phone to his besty mates, but announcing his views to the general public, and the network is responsible for everything it airs.

On the topic of political correctness tho - Obama was voted in as president and as such, does what he wants within his personal opinion of how that should be.
Quit moaning!:tongue:

[Top fucker]

You got to be real. I really dislike politically correct people because they're just phonies. If you know what you truly believe, then say what you mean to say, and screw the cowards that challenge that. Speak your mind and stand tall.

[Paulsson]

Amen, Brother!

[Gearbox]

You got to be real.
God, you'd really love to be this new guise wouldn't you? I'd wager 25p that you're actually feeling much better about yourself lately.:)

[Top fucker]

It's funny how on blogs and sites people are just now understanding that the reality TV show Duck Dynasty is scripted, planned, and that the Robertsons are not actually the way they are portrayed on the reality TV show. But the general public are total morons with the attention span of fleas. ;) It's also amusing how some in the LGBT community are getting their panties in a bunch because of some guy's personal opinions that don't effect them at all, and they're acting like this guy is the worst person ever. But I don't expect the so called LGBT "community" in the developed world to actually focus on things that matter, or focus on real bigots. Tenni just because people own guns does not mean that they want to harm people or are for violence. :rolleyes:

[Top fucker]

On the topic of political correctness tho - Obama was voted in as president and as such, does what he wants within his personal opinion of how that should be. Given how he's just as bad as the last President we had with completely supporting war crimes, illegal wars, NSA/spying, lying, keeping Gitmo open, completely supporting and renewing the Patriot Act, and other things he's not that good of a leader and is the worst President in my lifetime even worse than George W. Bush and Carter were.

[elmwood7]

Regardless of what he said or how he said it Phil spoke his opinion on the questions asked of him and in this country, he has that right. And to do so freely. I think more people should be upset that he was chastised for it rather than concentrating on what he said. I wouldn't expect Gearbox to understand not being from here but that's 1 of the reasons we broke away from his kind of government. The right to free speech is sacred and should be protected. Disagree with what he said even openly but remember it could be turned around on you someday and you could be punished for disagreeing with him openly. It is a double edged sword . In order for you to be able to speak your mind freely you must also be willing to let him speak his. People here need to wake up and protect our rights instead of being led astray like sheep so easily sidetracked into giving them up. If nothing else I give Phil credit for speaking his opinion and standing behind it.

[BiJoe696]

Who would watch a show like that is beyond me, but here is my :2cents:

'Duck Dynasty' creator starred in independent film as an adult film starDecember 20, 2013



Following the controversial statements made by Phil Robertson, the star of the A&E TV Show “Duck Dynasty," news broke that the creator of the hit TV show has a past in the entertainment industry that the Duck Dynasty clan might not approve of.
On Friday, Buzzfeed broke the story (http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/duck-dynasty-scott-gurney-phil-robertson-gay-porn) that the creator of the "Duck Dynasty" TV show, Scott Gurney, appeared in an independent film and played a gay adult film star. Gurney appeared in the 2001 film titled "The Fluffer," which made it's premier at the Toronto Film Festival that same year. Many might wonder what the opinion will be of Robertson and his family who have made their opinions very clear on homosexuality. In a recent interview with GQ (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-sounds-off-on-gays-20131218,0,6319736.story), Robertson gave anti-gay comments, comparing homosexuality to bestiality, using his strong belief in Christianity as his reasoning for thinking so.

"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph from there...Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."
A&E has currently suspended Robertson, claiming that his views don't reflect those of the network. The political right have come storming back, slamming A&E for denying Robertson his alleged First Amendment rights and building up Robertson as a modern day Rosa Parks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/20/ian-bayne-duck-dynasty_n_4480745.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000037). A&E hasn't decided what they will do with the show going forward, but the rest of the family have released a statement saying they won't continue filming without the head of their clan.
The trailer for the film can be seen on You Tube here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqJl2DZHu4).

[mas8092]

I'm tired of people who are offended by everything. The man gives an opinion. A&E execs overreact on the premise that people will be offended. Look at most of the posts here. Oops. On the one hand, there are folks offended by nativity scenes at courthouses, religious Christmas carols at public schools, making fun of the current president and words deemed "offensive". On the other hand, people are offended by gays on TV, like Ellen, making fun of the last president, gay marriage, cursing and anything involving sex out of marriage.

We have become a society where there are too many PEOPLE OFFENDED by EVERYTHING. We allow the POEs to control, intimidate and harass. Sometimes, they are the majority. In which case they should respect the views of the minority. In most cases, they are a minority and should accept the views of the majority. Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But just because they have one doesn't mean they need to express it and expect society to jump to cater to it.

I don't watch Duck Dynasty. The guy gives an opinion. So? It does not change my own personal activities of sex and companionship with women and sucking cocks and receiving the occasional anal sex.

In a free society, people are given choices whether to do things. Not being offended is not one of those choices. Whether it be through TV programing or government edict, it hurts us all when views are dismissed for the fear they will offend. You can have your view. You can express your view. But don't impose your view to the extent I am not allowed to disagree.

[tenni]

Elmwood
I just re read the original article in GQ. It does not state that Phil was asked his opinion on same sex activity. Phil was very verbal spreading his fundamentalist Christian religious beliefs. In fact the writer points out that Phil feels free to express his views when the cameras (A&E) are not around. Take note of that. Phil did not chose to denounce same sex activity as next to beastiality on the actual show created by A&E. Why did he not express it then? Perhaps, he knew the consequences.

As far as your mistaken belief that people who do not live in the US do not understand the sacredness of what you believe is freedom of speech. We do understand your perspective. We have freedom of speech and in fact realize at times our citizens have had more freedom of speech and communication than people in the US. The US news reporters were censored during the Iraq war. Other countries journalists made reports on this and interviewed some of the highest US reporters who stated that they did not have freedom of speech to report honestly as they saw fit. The US broadcasters censored freedom of speech under the guidance of the US government. These documentaries were never (maybe still) permitted to be broadcast on any US site. So, some of us see your posturing as false and misguided at times. We do understand that you hold the belief of freedom of speech as sacred. You do not have freedom of speeh if the powers that be do not want you to have it. Just like other democracies and maybe a little worse at times. This is not 1776. You are no more free than many of us who live elsewhere. We understand. Do you understand your reality? Regardless of your constitution, there are consequences in life for what we say. It happens all the time in the US and other democracies. Phil was put on leave for crossing the line of the broadcaster even though he spoke outside of the programme. The broadcaster will not permit this without consequences. Some people of the US objected to the Dixie Chics expression of freedom of speech. The consequence was a loss of record sales.

[Gearbox]

Regardless of what he said or how he said it Phil spoke his opinion on the questions asked of him and in this country, he has that right. And to do so freely. I think more people should be upset that he was chastised for it rather than concentrating on what he said. I wouldn't expect Gearbox to understand not being from here but that's 1 of the reasons we broke away from his kind of government. The right to free speech is sacred and should be protected. Disagree with what he said even openly but remember it could be turned around on you someday and you could be punished for disagreeing with him openly. It is a double edged sword . In order for you to be able to speak your mind freely you must also be willing to let him speak his. People here need to wake up and protect our rights instead of being led astray like sheep so easily sidetracked into giving them up. If nothing else I give Phil credit for speaking his opinion and standing behind it.
You haven't broken away from anything, as the network took the same action as it would have in the UK. It's not so much about what some bloke thinks, but what a network airs.
Nobody gives a toss what he thinks or says in his own personal life. Nobody cares what the Westboro baptists Church lot thinks or says in theirs either. But most do when it's at the funeral of a soldier etc. THAT is a bit annoying, unwanted and an abuse of FOS.
I'm guessing that not many homosexuals etc sitting down to watch TV, appreciate a network airing views that their sexuality is a 'mental illness'. Especially if they are not yet comfortable with their sexuality, and even more so if they are Christians themselves. To many, it would seem that the network upholds that opinion, if not challenged.

'Freedom of speech' doesn't mean that personal responsibility doesn't count.

[dickhand]

Obama is worse than George Dubya ? You have got to be kidding !

[Top fucker]

You haven't broken away from anything, as the network took the same action as it would have in the UK. It's not so much about what some bloke thinks, but what a network airs. Nobody gives a toss what he thinks or says in his own personal life. Nobody cares what the Westboro baptists Church lot thinks or says in theirs either. But most do when it's at the funeral of a soldier etc. THAT is a bit annoying, unwanted and an abuse of FOS. I'm guessing that not many homosexuals etc sitting down to watch TV, appreciate a network airing views that their sexuality is a 'mental illness'. Especially if they are not yet comfortable with their sexuality, and even more so if they are Christians themselves. To many, it would seem that the network upholds that opinion, if not challenged. 'Freedom of speech' doesn't mean that personal responsibility doesn't count. He didn't say that being gay or LGBT is a mental illness. He just gave his opinion that it's "sinful" and that he does not understand it since he's a Fundamentalist Christian. Did you really expect him to have a different opinion? As much as I don't like the Westboro Baptist church they have the right to protest and say whatever they want since we have Freedom of Speech in the United States. Mostly everyone even Fundamentalist Christian types find them too extreme.
Obama is worse than George Dubya ? You have got to be kidding ! Nope they are both pretty much the same. Both parties are exactly alike now. Both George W. and Obama support the same things I posted about before.

[Gearbox]

He didn't say that being gay or LGBT is a mental illness.
He did so!:bigrin: Not directly using those words, but acting illogically, blurring 'right' & 'wrong', sin becoming fine, fucking man, woman and beast.....and it all begins with homosexual behavior?
What does that sound like you?:rolleyes:

[Top fucker]

He did so!:bigrin: Not directly using those words, but acting illogically, blurring 'right' & 'wrong', sin becoming fine, fucking man, woman and beast.....and it all begins with homosexual behavior? What does that sound like you?:rolleyes: I really don't care what he said, didn't say, implied, etc. It does not apply to myself or my life. It's just his opinion and nothing to get your panties in a wad about, or call for censorship over. Next thing you know someone will post about how in their opinion Robertson is just as bad as the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, the KKK, white supremacist groups, Nazis/neo-nazis, or the Westboro Baptist church.

[tenni]

I really don't care what he said, didn't say, implied, etc. It does not apply to myself or my life. It's just his opinion and nothing to get your panties in a wad about, or call for censorship over. Next thing you know someone will post about how in their opinion Robertson is just as bad as the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, the KKK, white supremacist groups, Nazis/neo-nazis, or the Westboro Baptist church.

Dude lol
You are a huge sinner in Phil's mind. It does impact you or are you genuinely delusional?..lol It is Phil's opinion that you are wrong with your sexual practices. As a sinner, what would Phil say about you? Condemned to hell more than not. Since you are a strong promoter of bareback seeding of others, I don't know what Phil would consider you? Perhaps, something lower in his mind than beastiality?

[BiMaleAB]

Dude lol
You are a huge sinner in Phil's mind. It does impact you or are you genuinely delusional?..lol It is Phil's opinion that you are wrong with your sexual practices. As a sinner, what would Phil say about you? Condemned to hell more than not. Since you are a strong promoter of bareback seeding of others, I don't know what Phil would consider you? Perhaps, something lower in his mind than beastiality?

If Phil had his way everyone on this site would be in for punishment in the here and now. If guys like Phil were in charge and had their way, we would all have to hide ourselves and (for some of us) abstain from or be very secretive about our activites at the risk of being interned, jailed, tortured or even executed for being who we are.

[Top fucker]

Dude lol You are a huge sinner in Phil's mind. It does impact you or are you genuinely delusional?..lol It is Phil's opinion that you are wrong with your sexual practices. As a sinner, what would Phil say about you? Condemned to hell more than not. Since you are a strong promoter of bareback seeding of others, I don't know what Phil would consider you? Perhaps, something lower in his mind than beastiality? I don't know Phil Robertson and he does not know me. I don't care if he thinks I'm a "sinner". I'm not going to lose sleep over someone else's opinion of me.
If Phil had his way everyone on this site would be in for punishment in the here and now. If guys like Phil were in charge and had their way, we would all have to hide ourselves and (for some of us) abstain from or be very secretive about our activites at the risk of being interned, jailed, tortured or even executed for being who we are. That's not necessarily true at all. It's not like he's calling for the genocide, imprisonment, or execution of bisexuals, gays, and lesbians like they do in Iran. I did post about how someone would compare him to Hitler and the Nazis and you just did this. I'd rather have someone even a Minister, the Westboro people, politician, or reality TV person say what they want in an interview or as their opinion even if I don't agree with it or if it's not Politically Correct than have censorship of freedom of speech, or have freedom of religion taken away. But you and Tenni are from Canada where censorship is done and thought of as being OK or excusable at times.

[Gearbox]

I really don't care what he said, didn't say, implied, etc. It does not apply to myself or my life. It's just his opinion and nothing to get your panties in a wad about, or call for censorship over. Next thing you know someone will post about how in their opinion Robertson is just as bad as the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, the KKK, white supremacist groups, Nazis/neo-nazis, or the Westboro Baptist church.
Nobody is censoring him. The network is showing that they don't support or condone his opinions, as they would with the KKK etc. THEY are responsible for what airs, not him.
How easy it would be for a KKK sympathising network to flood their 'airways' with racist propaganda using FOS as an excuse. Just film some racists dishing out inane crap and leave it at that, IF networks were not held responsible for it.
It's the networks that self censor! They do not follow that bloke around telling him what he can or can not say in his personal life OFF air.:)

[BiMaleAB]

I don't know Phil Robertson and he does not know me. I don't care if he thinks I'm a "sinner". I'm not going to lose sleep over someone else's opinion of me. That's not necessarily true at all. It's not like he's calling for the genocide, imprisonment, or execution of bisexuals, gays, and lesbians like they do in Iran. I did post about how someone would compare him to Hitler and the Nazis and you just did this. I'd rather have someone even a Minister, the Westboro people, politician, or reality TV person say what they want in an interview or as their opinion even if I don't agree with it or if it's not Politically Correct than have censorship of freedom of speech, or have freedom of religion taken away. But you and Tenni are from Canada where censorship is done and thought of as being OK or excusable at times.

Your ignorance of our country is not surprising given what you have previously stated. There is less censorship in Canada than there is in your Country. Going back to Phil: To paraphrase Voltaire, I disagree with him, but I would defend to the death his right to have that view. A larger response of outrage is required because views like that need to be recognized as marginal and extreme; it is important that he can express that view but it important for us to make sure that most of society feels that his view is ignorant, repressive and wrong.

As to my conjecture about what he would do if he and his ilk had authoritarian power over the country, I stand by that. Anyone who claims to hold more fundamental religious views would likely be happy with their country run by the Christian equivalent of the Taliban.

[tenni]

Well, here is an interesting perspective. This guy calls Roberton clan fake red necks. He has photos of them before the show started and they certainly look like rich yuppies. Get on a show and they grow their beard, wear camouflage. He has some interesting things to say about this con job (in his opinion). He says that he is a real southerner and is tired of fakes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW343K1-upo#t=65

[Top fucker]

Your ignorance of our country is not surprising given what you have previously stated. There is less censorship in Canada than there is in your Country. Going back to Phil: To paraphrase Voltaire, I disagree with him, but I would defend to the death his right to have that view. A larger response of outrage is required because views like that need to be recognized as marginal and extreme; it is important that he can express that view but it important for us to make sure that most of society feels that his view is ignorant, repressive and wrong. As to my conjecture about what he would do if he and his ilk had authoritarian power over the country, I stand by that. Anyone who claims to hold more fundamental religious views would likely be happy with their country run by the Christian equivalent of the Taliban. It's not ignorance about Canada. It's the truth even if you and other Canadians do not want to accept it or admit it. There's a lot more censorship in Canada than in the United States. I remember in the 80s and 90s how in Canada they would not allow porn or erotic fiction to be mailed there. In Canada, appeals by the judiciary to community standards and the public interest are the ultimate determinants of which forms of expression may legally be published, broadcast, or otherwise publicly disseminated. Other public organisations with the authority to censor include the Canadian Human Rights Commission, various provincial human rights commissions, and the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, along with self-policing associations of private corporations such as the Canadian Association of Broadcasters and the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council. Over the 20th century, legal standards for censorship in Canada shifted from a "strong state-centred practice", intended to protect the community from perceived social degradation, to a more decentralised form of censorship often instigated by societal groups invoking state support to restrict the public expression of political and ideological opponents. The Canadian government in recent years has banned government scientists from talking about a growing list of research topics including: snowflakes, the ozone layer, salmon, and previously published work about a 13,000-year-old flood. Research censorship in Canada and you'll find the multitude of ways that Canada, it's people, and the Canadian government support and practice censorship in ways that do not happen in the United States at all. Canada also bans certain mainstream movies. If you want something to become censored in Canada all you have to do is convince a useless government bureaucracy like the Canadian Human Rights Comission that it's "hate speech". Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, prior to becoming Prime Minister, stated "Human rights commissions, as they are evolving, are an attack on our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence of a democratic society … It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff." PEN Canada, an organization which assists writers who are persecuted for peaceful expression, has called on "the federal and provincial governments to change human rights commission legislation to ensure commissions can no longer be used to attempt to restrict freedom of expression in Canada." According to Mary Agnes Welch, president of the Canadian Association of Journalists, "Human rights commissions were never intended to act as a form of thought police, but now they're being used to chill freedom of expression on matters that are well beyond accepted Criminal Code restrictions on free speech." But Canada wants to and always has wanted to be just like the United States only with stricter censorship. Oh yeah you also have completely complacent citizens who do not question their government nearly as much as United States' citizens do. Thanks to this you have warrant-less wiretapping and other things akin to our Patriot Act and a group that's like the Canadian NSA; but Canadian citizens brought all of this onto themselves and allowed it to happen. Robertson and Fundamentalist Christians, or Fundamentalist people of any religion do not hold power in the United States, and even if they did they would not put LGBT people in prison, practice genocide, etc. like they do legally in Iran.

[tenni]

Toppie
Do you really think that you have credibility here? Thanks for the perspective but you are trying to take this thread off topic.

Porn mailing
There was a hell of a lot more sexual content on mainstream Canadian TV in the 70-90 that the US every thought of.
It is true that there was a court case about mailing gay literature into Canada from the US. The court case was won eventually in the 80's I think.

I agree that the present government is Canadian nasty and has banned scientists from speaking about their research. GW Bush did this first though You must have been shitting your pants during his reign.

[Top fucker]

Well, here is an interesting perspective. This guy calls Roberton clan fake red necks. He has photos of them before the show started and they certainly look like rich yuppies. Get on a show and they grow their beard, wear camouflage. He has some interesting things to say about this con job (in his opinion). He says that he is a real southerner and is tired of fakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW343K1-upo#t=65 None of that is a secret at all, or new information. The Robertson family the sons, their wives, Phil Robertson, his wife, and other relatives have admitted all of this in interviews both print and TV interviews, and in biographical writings about themselves. The picture of them as a family on a Southern beach is freely available for anyone to see on A&E's website so it's not some conspiracy or something hidden. The Robertsons have lived in Louisiana for generations so they are Southerners. Before their reality TV show they made VHS tapes (remember those?) and DVDs about hunting wearing camoflauge and grew facial hair then. I don't even like the TV show or watch it. It's obvious it's a scripted reality TV show and the way they portray themselves on TV is not akin to how they are in daily everyday life. The sons all have degrees from universities and work in the family business that their dad started from the ground up from nothing and became rich from it living the American dream. More power to him and their business. He did quite well for someone who was born into what some people would consider poverty or a sharecropping family in the rural south in the 30s. I found these comments on the youtube video written by people to be funny:
I think the person who made that video needs to look up the term bigot, then look in the mirror...
sigh typical Atheist facepalm...
 so why is it wrong to say anything at all about homosexuals yet its OK to use "rich white people" as an attack? Excuse me but are you saying being white is a bad thing? And show me ONE show that's "real". The stuff on RuPaul's drag strip is staged too so what are you complaining about? There's not one reality show that isn't staged. Storage wars was totally staged. Its not like Robertson is some redneck hero. It's that he stated his position on sin and some people didn't like it. And you apparently seem to be extremely racist against white people.
WTF? This dude is lost!!!! His fucked up mind is already made up & he has obviously NOT done his homework (I would imagine he has not read the entire GQ article) As for the beautiful photos of the family...Do your research dude!LMAO! .....Your little "Bully Pulpit" that you are running your sewer from & spewing a bunch of specious bullshit is quite comical! YOU a true Southerner??? That one is beyond funny! You are a sad little man with a truly fucked-up attitude! All my best dude, I do hope you settle all of your obviously many problems!!!
Dude it's entertainment! Duck Dynasty is a top rated show! I happen to say it's a good show! That's my opinion! And you saying that America is the land of the retarded, basically you just called yourself retarded dumbass and if you are a real Southern you would respect our Country!
They've shown pictures of themselves without facial hair on the show

[Top fucker]

Toppie Do you really think that you have credibility here? Thanks for the perspective but you are trying to take this thread off topic. Porn mailing There was a hell of a lot more sexual content on mainstream Canadian TV in the 70-90 that the US every thought of. It is true that there was a court case about mailing gay literature into Canada from the US. The court case was won eventually in the 80's I think. I agree that the present government is Canadian nasty and has banned scientists from speaking about their research. GW Bush did this first though You must have been shitting your pants during his reign.Yes I do have credibility for what I posted. It's all factual knowledge that's freely available on the internet from reputable sources. Anyone can find this out about Canada and the Canadian government and how it's for censorship by typing in "Canada, censorship" into a search engine and pressing enter. Where do you think the Canadian government got the idea of scientific censorship from? ;) I have friends who are scientists and they did not complain about censorship of their work or censorship scientific research studies during the GW Bush years but they did not like how difficult it was for them to get funding. But as I have posted about before, Obama is just as bad if not worse than GW Bush was/is. Censorship is alive and well in Canada and has been for quite some time. :2cents:

[Top fucker]

This quote from a commenter on youtube sums up the video nicely:
There goes 5 and a quarter minutes I will never get back again. Untie your G-string Dude. got it in a real bunch. it's (reality TV) all fake shit, are you just now getting that little nugget?

[DrBimind]

Don't agree with his OPINION but will defend his 1st amendment right to speak it....otherwise it's just more publicity for the show.

[tenni]

Don't agree with his OPINION but will defend his 1st amendment right to speak it....otherwise it's just more publicity for the show.

Do you also defend the right of A&E to remove him from their show for behaviour that they do not wish to condone?

[BiMaleAB]

Do you also defend the right of A&E to remove him from their show for behaviour that they do not wish to condone?

While I will not speak for this poster, as i agree with his statement, I will say yes because A&E is a private broadcaster and should be allowed to chose its content freely.

[BiMaleAB]

Yes I do have credibility for what I posted. It's all factual knowledge that's freely available on the internet from reputable sources. Anyone can find this out about Canada and the Canadian government and how it's for censorship by typing in "Canada, censorship" into a search engine and pressing enter. Where do you think the Canadian government got the idea of scientific censorship from? ;) I have friends who are scientists and they did not complain about censorship of their work or censorship scientific research studies during the GW Bush years but they did not like how difficult it was for them to get funding. But as I have posted about before, Obama is just as bad if not worse than GW Bush was/is. Censorship is alive and well in Canada and has been for quite some time. :2cents:

You say you have reliable sources, yet you provide none of them. In reality you are relying on your own anecdotal evidence which is the worst kind as it tends to suffer from all sorts of deficiencies and logical fallacies.

And yes I disagree with the federal government's attempt to gag scientists, and it is appalling that attempts to limit free speech like this occur and it is incumbent on us the people to fight it.

Getting back to mr. Phil, you asserted in your initial response to me that I wanted to censor him; I made no such claim or even innuendo to that. I believe it is his right to say what he thinks and my right to hear it. It is also my right to respond to his view and make every effort using my own free speech to ensure that his way of thinking remains at the margin for almost all of society.

[rutemptedalso]

"Hate the sin but love the sinner"

[Top fucker]

You say you have reliable sources, yet you provide none of them. In reality you are relying on your own anecdotal evidence which is the worst kind as it tends to suffer from all sorts of deficiencies and logical fallacies. And yes I disagree with the federal government's attempt to gag scientists, and it is appalling that attempts to limit free speech like this occur and it is incumbent on us the people to fight it. I'm not going to spoon feed you. You've got an internet connection and can do research on your own. Or just stay completely ignorant about how totalitarian your government is and how they love to practice censorship like most Canadians are.

[ghost_of_bluebiyou]

Dear God...
We're perceived like the NAACP...
A minority group exploiting discrimination of many, for personal (unfair/inappropriate) profit (or persecution) of a few...
No
No
No
No
No
No
No...

This is wrong. This campaign is wrong.
Go Phil Robertson!
You've done nothing (really) wrong and we know it!
Much ado about nothing.

Blue

[Top fucker]

Dear God... We're perceived like the NAACP... A minority group exploiting discrimination of many, for personal (unfair/inappropriate) profit (or persecution) of a few... No No No No No No No... This is wrong. This campaign is wrong. Go Phil Robertson! You've done nothing (really) wrong and we know it! Much ado about nothing. Blue Well said. People get offended way too easily nowadays even though it's just someone's personal opinion. Then the pointless Politically Correct police and PC people come around and think that this person is just as bad as Hitler or called for the imprisonment, genocide, etc. of an entire group of people when that is not what happened.

[Gearbox]

Well said. People get offended way too easily nowadays even though it's just someone's personal opinion. Then the pointless Politically Correct police and PC people come around and think that this person is just as bad as Hitler or called for the imprisonment, genocide, etc. of an entire group of people when that is not what happened.
Dare I ask......When what didn't happen?

[bi_n_texas]

if you don't want to know the opinions of a 67 yr old southern christian and vietnam vet that lives in the deep south of the louisiana bayous...then don't ask. i support phil robertson's right to make his voice heard...

[Top fucker]

Dare I ask......When what didn't happen? Read BiMaleAB's reply:
If Phil had his way everyone on this site would be in for punishment in the here and now. If guys like Phil were in charge and had their way, we would all have to hide ourselves and (for some of us) abstain from or be very secretive about our activites at the risk of being interned, jailed, tortured or even executed for being who we are. Now people are just talking out of their ass and making stuff up that Robertson did not say, condone, argue for, or imply when he was interviewed. It's not surprising that people who are from the UK or Canada which both practice a lot of radical censorship are all for Political Correctness and getting their panties in a wad over some other person's personal opinion that was given in an interview.

[Gearbox]

Read BiMaleAB's reply:
I still don't know what didn't happen.:bigrin:

[bi_n_texas]

for those of you who disagree with phil robertson and his views on homosexuality and the like...you can fuss, cuss, bitch and moan all you want, threaten a retaliatory boycotting of some business that sells some "duck dynasty" gear, or boycott the show by not watching, etc... it ain't gonna' change his beliefs and views, so you might as well get over it and move along with your lives. there's nothing more to see here...

[Top fucker]

I still don't know what didn't happen.:bigrin: BiMaleAB compared Phil Robertson to Hitler or said that Robertson's comments are akin to arguing for genocide, imprisonment, punishment of LGBT people. Robertson's comments or his personal opinions did not condone the genocide, imprisonment, or punishment of LGBT people at all.

[DrBimind]

Do you also defend the right of A&E to remove him from their show for behaviour that they do not wish to condone?

I support and will defend ANY American citizen's constitutional rights...doesn't mean I have any influence on their decision/actions...support or not support, doesn't matter

[Gearbox]

for those of you who disagree with phil robertson and his views on homosexuality and the like..
Are there any here who do agree with those views?:tongue:

For those who are convinced that people want to censor Mr Robertson, change his beliefs or give one iota of a toss about them.....NO! This is a media censorship and responsibility issue, not a vendetta against a lone prophet of the people.

[DrBimind]

While I will not speak for this poster, as i agree with his statement, I will say yes because A&E is a private broadcaster and should be allowed to chose its content freely.
Gee a Canadian who immediately understood the freedom and rights of Americans under the Constitution...wish I could say the same of my fellow citizens....

[OverNeath]

It's a sad state when a man cant state his OPINION. If you read the interview,there is NOWHERE in that article that says he hates gays. As a matter of fact,he stated that he loved everyone.

"We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”


He merely stated HIS belief. If you read the article in GQ,the interviewer clearly treats the Robertson family with disdain and it shows in the interview. The interview was an ambush trying to tear down a strong family that has succeeded. The interviewer cant understand why they have succeeded an instead of trying to understand,he reverts to name calling. This is the first line in the article...

"How in the world did a squirell eating,bible thumping,catchphrase spouting duck hunters become the biggest TV stars in America"

I'm sick to death of political correctness and socially acceptable. People need to grow a set and realize that other people are going to believe,and act differently than them and not get so offended at the drop of a hat.

Heres a bridge....GETOVERIT

[tenni]

Post 56
"We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell."
"Start with homosexual behaviour and just morph out from there. Beastiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men"

Overneath
Phil does not judge whether a person is going to hell but he judges m2m sex participants like yourself will do next sexually. According to Phil, once you taste a man's dick you are next going to participate in beastiality. When do you plan on starting to fuck a duck, suck your dog's dick, get your dog to fuck you, suck a horse's cock etc.? According to Phil that is your next sexual activity even before you have sex with another woman according to the order that Phil judges. Is it politically correct to judge you that way? Human cocksucker = dog fucker.

[jamieknyc]

Phil has the right to say what he wants. That is basic First Amendment. But on his own dime, not his employer's.

[fredtyg]

But on his own dime, not his employer's.

Keep in mind he wasn't on the A&E show at the time this happened. He was being interviewed by a different organization.

[tenni]

I agree fred that he was being interviewed by a magazine. We do not know the content of his contract. We do know that he did not make a connection between homosexuality and beastiality nor state that questionable statement about blacks on the show. There must be a reason as Phil is an educated man and this was no slip(refused to apologize)

[Top fucker]

I agree fred that he was being interviewed by a magazine. We do not know the content of his contract. We do know that he did not make a connection between homosexuality and beastiality nor state that questionable statement about blacks on the show. There must be a reason as Phil is an educated man and this was no slip(refused to apologize) Now we have the highly racist organization the NAACP being drama queens as usual, and claiming what he said about African Americans was "racist".
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.” He did not say that all blacks in the South or in the United States were not mistreated, did not have racist things yelled at them, or did not have equal rights. He said that where he lived in rural Louisiana he personally did not see any black people being mistreated, victims of racism, etc. Contrary to what people think and how people want to rewrite history and the past there was a lot of racial integration between whites and blacks in the American South for hundreds of year, and even during the 20th Century before the Civil Rights era, and before Jim Crow laws were abolished and repealed.

[OverNeath]

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says.

That does NOT say that because you are homosexual you will end up fucking a dog. What that DOES say is HE believes that homosexuality is a sin and morph out from there to include beastiality and infidelity. Just because YOU dont agree with him,does not take away from his RIGHT to his own opinion. Fine, he thinks homosexuality,beastiality and infidelity are sins, So What? Again, thats HIS opinion. No need to get so butthurt over it.

Lets say Peta says..Oh Phil Robertson is wrong to shoot ducks, Fine their opinion. I bet Phil could care LESS what peta thinks. If more people realized that opinions differ and GET OVER themselves, there wouldnt be nearly as many easily offended people.

[jamieknyc]

Keep in mind he wasn't on the A&E show at the time this happened. He was being interviewed by a different organization.
If you said something that reflected poorly on your employer, you would be fired in a heartbeat, so why should he get privileges?

[tenni]

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says.

That does NOT say that because you are homosexual you will end up fucking a dog. What that DOES say is HE believes that homosexuality is a sin and morph out from there to include beastiality and infidelity. Just because YOU dont agree with him,does not take away from his RIGHT to his own opinion. Fine, he thinks homosexuality,beastiality and infidelity are sins, So What? Again, thats HIS opinion. No need to get so butthurt over it.

Lets say Peta says..Oh Phil Robertson is wrong to shoot ducks, Fine their opinion. I bet Phil could care LESS what peta thinks. If more people realized that opinions differ and GET OVER themselves, there wouldnt be nearly as many easily offended people.



morph1
Pronunciation: /mɔːf/ (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/key-to-pronunciation)verb



change smoothly from one image to another by small gradual steps using computer animation techniques:[with object]:




Urban Dictionary: beastiality (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beastiality)

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beastiality‎

A common way to incorrectly spell wordbestiality/word. Sexual intercourse involving a human and a lower animal.
​


CONNECT THE DOTS
One image is homosexual. The second image is a human having sexual intercourse with a "lower animal". Phil is stating that in gradual steps you will move from being a bisexual(m2m sex) to a human having sex with an animal. Humans tend to place themselves as a higher (intelligence) animal than lower (intelligence) animals like a dog, horse etc.

[Lisa (va)]

The only persons opinion that should really matter is your own. I really don't think Mr Robertson is loosing much sleep over what your opinion is of him.

Lisa

hugs n kisses

[Top fucker]

The only persons opinion that should really matter is your own. I really don't think Mr Robertson is loosing much sleep over what your opinion is of him. Lisa hugs n kisses Exactly. Phil is educated, has a university degree, and realizes that homosexuality and someone having sex with an animal are not the same thing and are not related even if people from countries that are highly pro-censorship will now claim that he said this or implied it.

[OverNeath]

morph1
Pronunciation: /mɔːf/ (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/key-to-pronunciation)verb




change smoothly from one image to another by small gradual steps using computer animation techniques:[with object]:




Urban Dictionary: beastiality (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beastiality)

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beastiality‎

A common way to incorrectly spell wordbestiality/word. Sexual intercourse involving a human and a lower animal.
​



CONNECT THE DOTS
One image is homosexual. The second image is a human having sexual intercourse with a "lower animal". Phil is stating that in gradual steps you will move from being a bisexual(m2m sex) to a human having sex with an animal. Humans tend to place themselves as a higher (intelligence) animal than lower (intelligence) animals like a dog, horse etc



Excuse the fuck out of me for mispelling a word Mr. spelling nazi
Now, as far as the use of morph, you are correct,that is the literal definition of the word. You're from canada and you brain may be frozen,so I'll explain it to you. People in the south often use expressions that dont make sense to you canadians. I can assure you that Mr Robertson knows the proper terminology,but,chose to use colloquial terminology instead. I can assure you that he knows that because you like same sex play you're not going to molest fido, or in cajun terminology,phydeaux.
Get over yourself dude,you're exactly the type that gets butthurt because someone doesnt agree with you. :rolleyes:

[Top fucker]

Phil and the family will be just fine if A&E continues to keep him off the show. Phil will hunt, fish and preach more, all the things that are important to him. Besides, there are only about 30 other networks that would love to pick up their show and the merchandising rights. How can Phil be criticized for telling his experiences as a youth? "Or that as a youth he picked cotton with African-Americans and never saw "the mistreatment of any black person. Not once."" He never said blacks weren't mistreated somewhere, he just said he never saw it when he was growing up. How can some slime bag journalist know what Phil saw growing up and how can Phil be demonized for telling about his actual experiences? If they did not want to know what he thought they shouldn't have asked him what he thought about LGBT people, black people in the south, and his religious views. He has a right to his own opinion and people in GLAAD can stop acting like self imposed pro-censorship and pro-Political Correctness dictators trying to force everyone to believe what GLAAD thinks they should believe.

[Top fucker]

Phil never advocated violence against gays/LGBT people/blacks, did not say any racist or homophobic slurs, never said anyone else should do or say or feel anything, he just answered a question about what he believes. He isn't a bigot, a terrorist, or a leader of any movement. He is a person with an opinion. Many people are sick and tired of the politically correct speak mouthpieces who characterize everyone who does not agree with them as some sort of evil cancer that has to be squashed.

[tenni]

OverNeath
Sorry I do not understand what is the colloquial meaning where you live for morph to beastiality if not what I wrote? Since the programme is seen all over North America and beyond some translation should have been provided.

As far as any spelling error, I had not noticed. That is what was presented on a google search. The Cajun language came from around Nova Scotia, New Brunswick Acadians are related to the Cajuns. En Francais phadeaux veut dire Le chien de la jardin peut etre

[Top fucker]

OverNeath The Cajun language came from around Nova Scotia, New Brunswick Acadians are related to the Cajuns. En Francais phadeaux veut dire Le chien de la jardin peut etre Neither the Cajuns or the French Canadians speak proper French, or French that's intelligible. I have French friends who visited Montreal and the French Canadians told them, "We do not understand what you are saying. Your French is terrible! Where did you learn it?" they replied "I'm from France we invented the language, and actually speak it correctly." The Robertsons are from Louisiana but are not Cajun.

[OverNeath]

Sorry I do not understand what is the colloquial meaning where you live for morph to beastiality if not what I wrote? Since the programme is seen all over North America and beyond some translation should have been provided.
Do you ever say anything that makes perfect sense to you,but maybe not to someone thats not from you area? I'm sure you do. Do you provide a blanket explanation for everyone? I guess Phil Robertson was thinking everyone had enough sense to figure out that he was saying and not to take that statement word for word literally. I guess he was wrong. You seem to be the type person that believes that if someone doesn't agree with you,they are dead wrong.

[Gearbox]

That does NOT say that because you are homosexual you will end up fucking a dog. What that DOES say is HE believes that homosexuality is a sin and morph out from there to include beastiality and infidelity.
What is that supposed to mean?:confused:

[OverNeath]

What is that supposed to mean?:confused:

It means that he includes beastiality and infidelity under the label sin, not that being homosexual is going to cause you to fuck dogs.

[tenni]

It means that he includes beastiality and infidelity under the label sin, not that being homosexual is going to cause you to fuck dogs.

LOL
You are omitting his use of the word "morph". Robertson knows what he said and he said exactly what he meant otherwise he would have corrected himself.

[OverNeath]

You are omitting his use of the word "morph". Robertson knows what he said and he said exactly what he meant otherwise he would have corrected himself.

Again Tenni almighty, If you read what he's saying, you MIGHT understand that he is labeling sin,IN HIS OPINION, not saying that everyone will turn into a fucker of dogs. You're so narrow minded and focused on what YOU think was his intent that you're blinded to context.:rolleyes:

[Gearbox]

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong... Sin becomes fine,” he said. “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

It means that he includes beastiality and infidelity under the label sin, not that being homosexual is going to cause you to fuck dogs.
You can't seriously think that he wasn't talking about homosexuality in particular there and not just listing a string of unrelated 'sins' in his view?

If he had said, "Start with a child who steals sweets and morph/evolve from there into deceit, burglary, mugging etc,", I'd agree that to be a potential path of the child if not corrected.
But homosexuality on a path to beastiality? No hetero's are into beastiality?:confused:

Yes I can see that he was talking crap and we shouldn't expect to make sense of it, or even care.lol But we should expect some kind of addressing of it in the media. HE himself is insignificant. But the media is highly significant and should take responsibility for the crap it airs. It's not the same as two blokes chatting in a pub etc.

[tenni]

"You're so narrow minded and focused on what YOU think was his intent that you're blinded to context"

Perhaps. I also have reading comprehension skills.

[OverNeath]

Perhaps. I also have reading comprehension skills.

Your comprehension skills are limited to what you WANT to comprehend.

[Gearbox]

A&E will probably take Robertson back or he and his family and their reality TV show will just go to another of the many channels that want their show, merchandise rights, and large viewing audience. Interesting world where a sex-tape peddler Kim Kartrashian (or musical "stars") can publicly sleep with various rappers and sports stars, get pimped by their parents, have children outside of marriage and/or with multiple baby daddies. and are celebrated as icons and interviewed by Oprah, yet someone else will be publicly vilified when his views are known, he is hired for entertainment value and then says certain behavior is wrong, talks about his own personal observations and traditional religious beliefs. Along these lines, it's even more strange when criticism is leveled by a highly racist serial philandering preacher Jesse Jackson who has children outside of marriage. Interesting world, indeed.
OMFG! Top Fucker the new messiah!:bowdown:

Piss up my arse someone! I want to be a Saint!:rolleyes:

[void()]

Gee a Canadian who immediately understood the freedom and rights of Americans under the Constitution...wish I could say the same of my fellow citizens....

Some of us do understand it, still recall oaths taken. We just grow weary of
such things as these seeming to become imho, mountains out of molehills.

"Someone expressed an opinion!"

"Oh hell! Call the fragging marines, air force, navy, army, fbi, cia already! Don't forget to get the Pope!"

"Oh my gosh, the world is ending! No one expresses an opinion! How dare they! Don't they know it ends worlds?!"