Death of Nelson Mandela

[NMCowboys]

Nelson Mandela died may he rest in peace. He was very old and lived a full life, and changed the world. How do people here feel about this, or about the man and his accomplishments?

[jem_is_bi]

He is one of my hero's. No, more than that, I love that man.

[BiBedBud]

Nelson Mandela will live on through history as one of the very finest human beings ever to have lived. If we could all follow his example, the world would be a much, much better place.

His triumph cannot be described in words. Not only did his leadership end Apartheid, but he managed to bring the vast majority of his people together. He is at once saintly and beautifully human; almost a 'demi-god' (and that's not the kind of thing I'm inclined to say, except for him).



RIP TATA MADIBA

[buds50]

just my view but i worked for a boss 20 years ago , he was born and raised in south africa, he would tell me things he saw growing up there. and one thing was he hated mandella. he said he murdered white men ,woman and children , him and his men raped and butchered woman and kids , id like to be enlightened was this true or not , im talking way back when he was on the rise , i know the black white thing in those days was bad , but how could anyone love or respect this man if he murdered woman and children ,

[fredtyg]

just my view but i worked for a boss 20 years ago , he was born and raised in south africa, he would tell me things he saw growing up there. and one thing was he hated mandella. he said he murdered white men ,woman and children , him and his men raped and butchered woman and kids , id like to be enlightened was this true or not , im talking way back when he was on the rise , i know the black white thing in those days was bad , but how could anyone love or respect this man if he murdered woman and children ,

It does seem those from South Africa, especially whites, hate the guy. Reason magazine had a short tribute to him (http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/05/donate-to-reason-because-what-other-maga) the other day which ignored his earlier years but praised his later years, though:

"And in fact Mandela cut it out with the nationalization talk once he left jail, and will be remembered for something almost no politicians outside of George Washington are ever noted for: choosing not to exercise the power he had."

"Nelson Mandela could have chosen to be–had the power to become–an even greater monster than Mugabe. Instead, Mandela chose to become a saint. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/world/africa/nelson-mandela_obit.html?hp&_r=0)A great leader, a great Christian, a great example. The world cannot honor him enough as it should hope that all people offered the complete power he was would act as he did."

Point well made. On the other hand, Illana Mercer, who hails from South Africa, does not like Mandela (http://barelyablog.com/nelson-mandela-the-che-guevara-of-of-africa/).

I'd say there's truth to both versions of Nelson Mandela.

[tenni]

I think that he is a symbol and has been for sometime. I don't think that I am in a position to understand how apartheid was. I did know a woman from South Africa. She spoke about how she was the only white child in the district. The black children use to poke her and pull her hair because she was different. She left South Africa as a young adult. She was not prejudice and although it was quite awhile ago that I knew her, she was not a bigot or obvious supporter of apartheid. She was a truly gentle soul. I had not heard about Mandela murdering and raping but we must remember that he was jailed for many years. They rightly or wrongly convicted him and such accusations would not be out of line. The other side would be to discuss how many black South Africans were tortured and murdered by the whites. There was an obvious injustice with apartheid. It just was not as simple as most of us would want. The US is probably the closest country to be struggling with racial conflict that is complex. South Africa owes much to Mandela. He has become a media hype though and has been one for years. Like all media hype there is probably an ugly side to his persona. Still, he was a great man..so we are told…never met him.

[NMCowboys]

just my view but i worked for a boss 20 years ago , he was born and raised in south africa, he would tell me things he saw growing up there. and one thing was he hated mandella. he said he murdered white men ,woman and children , him and his men raped and butchered woman and kids , id like to be enlightened was this true or not , im talking way back when he was on the rise , i know the black white thing in those days was bad , but how could anyone love or respect this man if he murdered woman and children ,

I have also heard about this, and I am not surprised as power corrupts people and people who want power are corrupt. I found these articles that your friend/ex-boss would agree with.



Madiba’s true legacy.
Nelson Mandela is dead, and South Africa without “Madiba” will be much the same as it was before: a wreck of a country with slowly collapsing infrastructure, high crime, and the slow-motion genocide of Afrikaners.
None of this much matters to the opinion makers of what used to be the West. For them, the true hallmark of leftist totalitarianism isn’t brutality—it’s kitsch, and we’ll see plenty of that. Mandela will be on every magazine cover, the Internet will be drowning in sentimental schmaltz, and Facebook will be littered with sanctimonious status updates.
The truth is, the saintly visage of Mandela—all crinkly eyes and warm smiles—conceals a violent past as a terrorist. He was the founder of Umkhonto we Sizwe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe), the armed wing of the African National Congress, and played a key role in the ANC’s embrace of armed struggle after a “general strike” failed miserably. The first terrorist attacks took place in 1961 (http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/umkhonto-wesizwe-mk). In 1962, Mandela left South Africa on an international trip to win support for a violent struggle against the South African government. He negotiated for aid for the African National Congress with various anti-Western governments, including East Germany and Communist China.
Among the countries that pledged him full (http://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/armed-and-trained-nelson-mandela%E2%80%99s-1962-military-mission-commander-chief-umkhonto-we-sizwe-a) support were Communist Cuba and the Egyptian government of Gamal Abdel Nasser, a fellow “anti-colonialist (http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=4280).” Mandela’s international activities also included detailed meetings on strategy with Algeria’s National Liberation Army. Perhaps most importantly, with Mandela acting (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CE0QFjAE&url=http://scnc.ukzn.ac.za/doc/AAmwebsite/AAMCONFpapers/Shubin,%20Vladimir.doc&ei=7dfPUYKSGpLm8wTPtYGwCw&usg=AFQjCNE6sqYz_jPpUvvu6nNATEuhuGQfAA&sig2=uPqX44CAcBF7JlO3X7pPcg&bvm=bv.48572450,d.eWU) as an international agent for the ANC, the Soviet Union provided massive amounts of financial and military aid (http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=250154&sn=Detail) to Unkhonto we Sizwe.
After this perverse version of international diplomacy, Mandela underwent intensive military training in Ethiopia, where he learned sabotage, bombing, and guerrilla warfare. Upon his return to South Africa, Mandela was arrested for leaving the country without a passport and for inciting a strike. Later, he was tried along with other members of the ANC in the famous Rivonia Trial (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/rivoniaunmasked.pdf). The government alleged 235 separate acts of sabotage.
Most importantly, the South African authorities captured documents about Operation Mayibuye, a plan (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mandela/mandelaoperationm.html) for a sweeping military confrontation with the government. Mandela was found guilty, along with almost all the other defendants. Because of international pressure, Mandela was sentenced only to life imprisonment rather than death, even though the government believed it had prevented a bloody civil war.
http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/MandelaPrison.jpg (http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/MandelaPrison.jpg)
Though Mandela was imprisoned before he could personally direct his organization’s campaign of terror, there would still be blood. Mandela’s group and the African National Congress went on to kill scores of innocent people, some via the infamous “necklacing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing)” technique endorsed (http://century.guardian.co.uk/1980-1989/Story/0,,110268,00.html) by Mandela’s wife, Winnie. The group became notorious for its bombing campaign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe#Bombings), most notably the Church Street bombing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Street_bombing) which killed 19 people. The group also mined rural roads used by farmers, which killed at least 120 people, many of them black laborers.
In 1985, the South African government offered to release Mandela if he would repudiate violence as a means to bring about political change. He refused the offer (http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/president-p-w-botha-offers-nelson-mandela-conditional-release-prison). Mandela was later forced to admit that the African National Congress “routinely” used torture (http://africanhistory.about.com/b/2013/04/14/14-april-1990-anc-admits-it-used-torture.htm) against suspected “enemy agents.” Many of the ANC’s violent activities were not directed at the apartheid government but against the Zulus and their political movement, the Inkatha Freedom Party. However, whites always remained a special target. Even after his release, Mandela was willing to indulge in musical fantasies about killing whites (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKiePbTcAfY).
At the time of his trial, Mandela denied being a member of the Communist Party—something we now know was a lie (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/9731522/Nelson-Mandela-proven-to-be-a-member-of-the-Communist-Party-after-decades-of-denial.html). Mandela worked closely with the Communist Party of South Africa (http://efp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/winnie-nelson-joe.jpg), and the African National Congress was sustained and supported (http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=250154&sn=Detail) by the Soviet Union. Mandela never renounced any of his ties with Communist leaders. Only last June, the Huffington Post, which is scandalized by just about everything sensible, casually reported (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/nelson-mandela-fidel-castro_n_3509710.html) on the close relationship between Nelson Mandela and Communist dictator Fidel Castro.
http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/MandelaCastro.jpg (http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/MandelaCastro.jpg)Nelson Mandela and Fidel Castro

Because of these long-standing associations and violent tactics, Margaret Thatcher condemned the African National Congress in 1987 as a “typical terrorist organization,” and said anyone who thought they would ever run the government was “living in cloud cuckoo land (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/from-terrorist-to-tea-with-the-queen-1327902.html).” The Conservative Party youth distributed propaganda calling for him to be hanged (http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/hang_mandela-195x260.gif).
The United States listed (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/07/01/mandela.watch/) the African National Congress as a terrorist organization until 2008, and President Ronald Reagan strongly resisted efforts to impose sanctions on the beleaguered South African government. In this, he was supported by most of the American conservative movement, although Republicans such as Newt Gingrich, Jack Kemp, and Richard Lugar (http://www.amren.com/opinion/2012/05/shed-no-tears-for-richard-lugar/) argued for confrontation with the white government, promising it would “win Republicans the black vote.” (Some things never change).
However, as tempting as it is to simply point out Mandela’s past as a Communist terrorist, in some ways his reinvention as a “reconciliator” is worse. It is true that as President of South Africa, Mandela did not unleash a campaign of state directed violence against whites. Instead, he largely maintained the economic system for the benefit of those already in power, while systematically dispossessing middle class and working class whites, especially Afrikaners. Nor was this particularity surprising, considering Mandela and the ANC’s history.
Though the African National Congress was aligned with the Communists, they received far friendlier treatment from big business than did their nationalist Boer rivals (http://www.amren.com/features/2013/05/when-patriotism-meets-conservatism/). Secret meetings were held between the African National Congress and South African business leaders even as the guerrilla war continued, and British business interests were instrumental in setting up talks (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/endgame/young.html) between Afrikaner elites and the ANC. No such efforts ever took place between the captains of industry and the would-be leaders of an independent Boer Republic, suggesting that business leaders feared Eugene Terre’Blanche’s concept of an economy run for the “folk” more than they feared black rule.
http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/EugeneTerreBlanche.jpg (http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/EugeneTerreBlanche.jpg)Eugene Terre’Blanche and the AWB fought for Afrikaner autonomy.

In the negotiations that preceded the end of white rule, the ANC, business leaders, and the ruling National Party formed a united front against Boer nationalists and Afrikaner patriots, even to the point of opposing leaders such as General Constand Viljoen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constand_Viljoen), who betrayed a Boer secession plan in exchange for a promise that a Boer homeland would be considered. Once Mandela got the concessions he wanted, he refused any such consideration.
President Mandela and his new regime concentrated on reconciling whites to the new government by means of widely publicized symbolic efforts while stripping them of any collective economic, social, or political identity. Mandela won praise for letting “Afrikaner leaders” such as F.W. De Klerk serve in his government, but this was nothing more than continuing his working relationship with collaborators.
Poverty (http://www.soldeer.co.za/nuusbriewe/hh/hh15/report.pdf) among Afrikaners has soared (http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2012/04/afrikaner-poverty-soars-by-400.html) in the years since the end of apartheid (http://newint.org/columns/essays/2010/01/01/afrikaners-hit-bottom/), with thousands reduced to living in squatter camps. South Africa has one of the highest crime rates (http://www.economist.com/node/14564621) in the world and is famous for its gated communities and private security companies. The nation also has a high rate of HIV/AIDS infection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_South_Africa), which isn’t helped by black government officials who think the cure is a diet heavy in garlic (http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/garlic-aids-cure-minister-sidelined-1-1139699). Mandela’s response has been to criticize the media for focusing too much on crime (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Presidency_of_South_Africa:_1994.E2 .80.931999). He did nothing to stop what is now widely accepted as the opening stages of genocide (http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/genocide-looms-for-white-farmers/) against Boer farmers, and implemented anti-white racial preferences even as whites became an all but powerless minority.
Mandela achieved a reputation for magnanimity, presumably because he didn’t simply try to kill all his political enemies, as many of his “democratic” colleagues did in other African countries. A great deal of this was simply media friendly gestures, such as Mandela wearing a Springboks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_national_rugby_union_team) jersey (a tale worthy of movie (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/05/24/review-of-invictus/) apparently) or honoring former State Presidents when they died. Mandela was smart enough to understand that South Africa depended on whites keeping their wealth and technical skill in the country; he wanted to squeeze the goose that laid the golden eggs, not kill it. Wealthy South Africans and business interests, who were his allies early on, kept the South African economy from collapse, albeit from behind gated communities guarded by private security forces.
http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/PlaasmoordeMonument.jpg (http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/PlaasmoordeMonument.jpg)“Farm Murders”–monument to South African farmers.

Nonetheless, Afrikaners as a people have been destroyed. The names of Afrikaner heroes have been torn from towns, streets, and public squares, and replaced with those of “anti-apartheid” leaders. The collective white defense forces known as “commandos” have been outlawed (http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/whites-and-guns/), meaning that those unable to afford private security companies are left vulnerable to black violence.
Since Mandela refused any consideration of a Boer homeland, numbers alone ensure that Afrikaners are politically disenfranchised. More than 750,000 whites have left (http://digitaljournal.com/article/267776) the country, but Boer farmers are trapped. Their wealth—their farmland—is illiquid. If they did try to leave, confiscatory taxation would leave them all but penniless. Mandela’s magnanimity consisted in keeping whites around to pay taxes to keep his one-party ANC dictatorship going, but denying them meaningful representation.
It will only get worse. His critics on to his left, including his murdering ex-wife, c (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2010/0311/Ex-wife-criticizes-Nelson-Mandela-and-many-South-Africans-agree)omplained (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2010/0311/Ex-wife-criticizes-Nelson-Mandela-and-many-South-Africans-agree) that black poverty has not notably improved since the ANC takeover. Because there is no thought to lifting the restrictions (http://www.amren.com/features/2011/12/into-the-cannibals-pot/) on white economic activity and thus creating more wealth for everyone, blacks are turning to their usual policy alternative: outright confiscation. Julius Malema, former ANC youth leader, is forming (http://www.sapromo.com/features/item/1378-malema%E2%80%99s-new-party-to-fight-white-males) a new political party with the specific purpose of “fighting white males.” The government is even trying to stop charities from helping poor whites (http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/23/ngo-too-white-for-donors). South Africa is already exploring “land reform (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22967906)” on the Zimbabwean model, which has plunged the former Breadbasket of Africa into dystopian chaos—to the indifference of the world.
http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ChildrenPlaying.jpg (http://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ChildrenPlaying.jpg)Children play outside an Afrikaner squatter camp.

Even the largely symbolic magnanimous gestures, like keeping the Springboks, have been reversed. As the social norms of the state founded by whites fade away, everything declines. Today, the State President of South Africa is a polygamous Zulu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma) who thinks you can wash away HIV with a shower, and he’s probably better than whoever is coming next.
Mandela deserves full responsibility for all of this. From the beginning, his dream was of a unitary South African state dominated by black voters supporting a leftist political party, with a thin crust of whites to fund it and keep it going. South Africa’s decline into criminality and chaos is simply these ideas playing out to their logical conclusion. Independence, apartheid, and even the terrorism of the AWB were all Afrikaner attempts to avoid exactly what has occurred: political dispossession followed by measures that will lead to collective economic and social extinction.
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If anything, a sudden outbreak of anti-white violence upon Mandela’s death would be a good thing. It would give the Afrikaners—a warrior people if there ever was one—a reason to fight back. Instead, the legacy of Mandela is the slow genocide of the people who turned South Africa into a First (http://www.ilanamercer.com/ErasingTheAfrikanerNation.htm)- (http://www.ilanamercer.com/ErasingTheAfrikanerNation.htm)Wo (http://www.ilanamercer.com/ErasingTheAfrikanerNation.htm)rl (http://www.ilanamercer.com/ErasingTheAfrikanerNation.htm)d nation in the midst of the Dark Continent (http://www.ilanamercer.com/ErasingTheAfrikanerNation.htm). Though some whites will be suffered to live, work, and die for the benefit for their black masters, whites have no future in South Africa, and what few opportunities they have for even a decent life are shrinking every day. Mandela represented exploitation under the guise of magnanimity, murder in the name of democracy, genocide with a smile. We should mourn the old terrorist’s death only because he didn’t live to see his destructive work undone on the day when the Boers—and the rest of us—are once again free.

[NMCowboys]

I also found these other two articles:

Mandela was not imprisoned for opposing apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_in_South_Africa), or segregation, in Africa, but for being a communist terrorist murderer-bomber in service to the Soviet Union.
The ANC’s guerrilla force, known as uMkhonto we Sizwe—MK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe), or “Spear of the Nation”—was founded in 1961 by Mandela and his advisor, the Lithuanian-born communist Jew Joe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Slovo)Slovo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Slovo), born Yossel Mashel Slovo, who was officially named secretary general of the South African Communist Party in 1986. Slovo had been the planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks, as detailed in the book Victory or Violence: The Story of the AWB of South Africa (http://www.barnesreview.org/victory-or-violence-the-story-of-the-awb-of-south-africa-p-549.html), including the January 8, 1982 attack on the Koeberg nuclear power plant near Cape Town, the Church Street bombing on May 20, 1983, which killed 19 people, and the June 14, 1986 car-bombing of Magoo’s Bar in Durban, in which three people were killed and 73 injured. In 1962, Mandela was arrested along with 19 others, half of whom were White communist Jews, in a police raid of ANC headquarters (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mandela/mandelaaccount.html) at a farm owned by Andrew Goldreich, also a communist Jew, at Rivonia, a Johannesburg suburb. In the Rivonia Trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial), which took place between 1963 and 1964, the defendants were tried for 221 acts of sabotage designed to overthrow the government and conspiring to aid foreign military units, when they invaded SA to further the objects of communism. The prosecutor, Percy Yutar said at the trial that “production requirements for munitions were sufficient to blow up a city the size of Johannesburg.” Escaping the death sentence, Mandela was given life in prison.
By 1990, the communists behind Mandela had gained enough power to force his release. Apartheid was abolished in 1992 and the ANC was put into power in 1994 with Mandela as president. Slovo became his secretary of housing. Shortly thereafter, Mandela and Slovo, along with a group of ANC leaders, were filmed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc) chanting a pledge to kill all whites in South Africa. Current South African President Jacob Zuma, also of the ANC, was also filmed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys) as late as January 2012 singing a song called “Kill the Boer” in front of a crowd of thousands of blacks while they cheered and danced. The song advocates the murder of the descendents of the original white settlers of South Africa, with lyrics encouraging blacks to gun down the farmers with machine guns. Mandela’s ex-wife Winnie, also a longtime ANC activist, prefers a method called “necklacing (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Winnie_Mandela_necklace),” where a gasoline-filled tire is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze. “With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country,” she is infamous for saying. (Mandela was in solitary confinement at the time of the necklacing torture-murders. An estimated 3,000 victims died by necklacing.) Since 1994, 68,000 whites have been brutally tortured and murdered (http://www.thetruthaboutsouthafrica.com/p/how-many-blacks-were-killed-during.html) by blacks in South Africa, in ways too gruesome to describe, including almost 4,000 Boers whose farms were confiscated by savage murderers, a combined area of over 25,000 square miles.

Contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of blacks in South Africa aren’t natives, but came by the millions from neighboring countries only after the white Boers created a country with a thriving economy, education opportunities and medical benefits. Under white rule, blacks in South Africa enjoyed better living conditions than any other African country, where blacks kill each other in tribal warfare. In 1994, the same year Mandela took power, the Hutu tribe killed 800,000 Tutsis in Rwanda. Similar tribal genocides have taken place in Congo, Somalia, Ethiopia, Chad, Mali, Zimbabwe, Angola and many more African countries. Tribal savagery and genocide has always been a way of life for Africans. Since Mandela took over, South Africa has become a Third World country. It went from being the safest country in Africa, to being the rape and murder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT4SLj5l3f0)capital of the world (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT4SLj5l3f0). In Johannesburg, 5,000 people are murdered every year. Unemployment went from 5% in 1994 to 50% today. South Africa also has the largest number of people infected with HIV/AIDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_South_Africa) in the world. In 2007, over 18% of adults, or 5,700,000 people had AIDS. In 2010, an estimated 280,000 died of AIDS. Looking beyond the media myth of a “demigod Mandela” as he faces his twilight, one can only say, “good riddance.”




The hero of the anti-apartheid struggle was not the saint we want him to be.
The image of Nelson Mandela as a selfless, humble, freedom fighter turned cheerful, kindly old man, is well established in the West. If there is any international leader on whom we can universally heap praise it is surely he. But get past the halo we’ve placed on him without his permission, and Nelson Mandela had more than a few flaws which deserve attention.
He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them
Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights
-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983
-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985
-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988
-Durban (http://deathofdurban.blogspot.com/) Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986
-Pretoria (http://www.radiopretoria.co.za/) Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead
-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987
-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988
Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating (http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/POL10/001/1965/en)“[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”

As President he bought a lot of military hardware
Inheriting a country with criminally deep socio-ecnomic problems, one might expect resources to be poured into redressing the imbalances of apartheid. Yet once in office, even Mandela’s government slipped into the custom of putting national corporatism, power and prestige above its people. Deputy Minister of Defence Ronnie Kasrils said in 1995 that the government’s planned cuts in defence spending could also result in the loss of as many as 90,000 jobs in defence-related industries.
Mandela’s government announced in November 1998 that it intended to purchase 28 BAE/SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft from Sweden at a cost of R10.875 billion, i.e. R388 million (about US$65 million) per plane. Clearly, the all-powerful air armadas of Botswana weighed heavily on the minds of South African leaders…
Not content with jets, in 1999 a US$4.8 billion (R30 billion in 1999 rands) purchase of weaponry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Arms_Deal) was finalised, which has been subject to allegations of corruption. The South African Department of Defence’s Strategic Defence Acquisition purchased a slew of shiny new weapons, including frigates, submarines, corvettes, light utility helicopters, fighter jet trainers and advanced light fighter aircraft.
Below are some of the purchases made, presumably to keep the expansionist intentions of Madagascar at bay…




Description


Original Qty


Illustrative total cost




Corvettes


4


R4 billion




Maritime helicopter for corvettes


5


R1 billion





New submarines to replace Daphne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_class_submarine)



4


R5,5 billion




Alouette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Alouette_III) helicopter replacement


60


R2 billion




Advanced light fighter


48


R6-9 billion




Main Battle Tank replacement of Olifant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank#Non-UK_variants)


154


R6 billion




Total cost in 1998 Rand



R25-38 billion




Mandela was friendly with dictators
Despite being synonymous with freedom and democracy, Mandela was never afraid to glad hand the thugs and tyrants of the international arena.
General Sani Abacha seized power in Nigeria in a military coup in November 1993. From the start of his presidency, in May 1994, Nelson Mandela refrained from publicly condemning Abacha’s actions. Up until the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in November 1995 the ANC government vigorously opposed the imposition of sanctions against Nigeria. Shortly before the meeting Mandela’s spokesman, Parks Mankahlana, said that “quiet persuasion” would yield better results than coercion. Even after the Nigerian government announced the death sentences against Saro-Wiwa and eight other Ogoni activists, during the summit, Mandela refused to condemn the Abacha regime or countenance the imposition of sanctions.
Two of the ANC’s biggest donors, in the 1990s, were Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia . Not only did Mandela refrain from criticising their lamentable human rights records but he interceded diplomatically on their behalf, and awarded them South Africa ‘s highest honour. Suharto was awarded a state visit, a 21-gun salute, and The Order of Good Hope (gold class).
In April 1999 Mandela acknowledged to an audience in Johannesburg that Suharto had given the ANC a total of 60 million dollars. An initial donation of 50 million dollars had been followed up by a further 10 million. The Telegraph ( London ) reported that Gaddafi was known to have given the ANC well over ten million dollars.

The apartheid regime was a crime against humanity; as illogical as it was cruel. It is tempting, therefore, to simplify the subject by declaring that all who opposed it were wholly and unswervingly good. It’s important to remember, however, that Mandela has been the first to hold his hands up to his shortcomings and mistakes. In books and speeches, he goes to great length to admit his errors. The real tragedy is that too many in the West can’t bring themselves to see what the great man himself has said all along; that he’s just as flawed as the rest of us, and should not be put on a pedestal.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Why is it that something bad only comes out about a person after they are dead? I'm sure the American public didnt know about many of these things. I didnt know all that much concerning the deep, dark, secrets concerning Mandela, so I cant comment too much. All that I knew was he was reputed to be a true humanatarian.
Some are going to mourn and miss him, some are going to rejoyce. Guess it depends on what side of the fence you are on...Bottom line is, if he was a good man or a bad man, thats between him and his Maker.
Cat.
PS. Guess just like with Tenni-Dumpling, Hell must be experiencing an Arctic blast at the moment, cuz I agree with Cowboy on something. The man Did change the world.

[NMCowboys]

Why is it that something bad only comes out about a person after they are dead? I'm sure the American public didnt know about many of these things. I didnt know all that much concerning the deep, dark, secrets concerning Mandela, so I cant comment too much. All that I knew was he was reputed to be a true humanatarian.
Some are going to mourn and miss him, some are going to rejoyce. Guess it depends on what side of the fence you are on...Bottom line is, if he was a good man or a bad man, thats between him and his Maker.
Cat.
PS. Guess just like with Tenni-Dumpling, Hell must be experiencing an Arctic blast at the moment, cuz I agree with Cowboy on something. The man Did change the world.

People forget history too soon, or they just never pay attention. Everything that has been posted is not a secret and it's been well known since the 80s.

Mandela allowed genocide towards white Afrikaners and killed a lot of blacks from tribes or ethnic groups he did not like under his regime.

His wife Winnie was jailed for running a hit squad racket that would kill opposition, and she and Mandela were fond of necklacing.

"Necklacing", Nelson Mandela's gruesome legacy: (place a gasoline soaked tire over the victim's head, taunt the kneeling victim by throwing lighted matches ... until finally one ignites the gasoline ... and as the victim screams in agony, Mandela and his Communist thugs dance around the victim, laughing. Mandela's lungs were poisoned by the inhaled smoke of his many "burned to death" victims.

Winnie and Nelson Idolized Castro because Castro too loved killing people for their political beliefs.

After apartheid ended and Mandela was freed he wasted no time in lavishing praise on communists and thug dictators. In 1991 he and his wife Winnie went to Cuba, which they called their second home, to celebrate the communist revolution with Fidel Castro. While there he said, "Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."

Mandela was the terrorist leader of a violent terrorist organisation, the ANC (African National Congress) which was responsible for many thousands of, mostly black, deaths. The ANC's blood spattered history is frequently ignored, but reminders occasionally pop up in the most embarrassing places, indeed as recently as this month the names of Nelson Mandela and most of the ANC remained on the US government's terrorist watch list along with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and the Tamil Tigers. Of course the forces of political correctness are rushing to amend that embarrassing reminder from the past. However, Mandela's name was not on that list by mistake, he was there because of his Murderous past.

The trial of Nelson Mandela and his co-conspiritors began in December 1963 and the verdicts were rendered in July 1964. The trial outlines the conspiracy to violently overthrow the South African government.

It proves how the revolutionaries planned and implemented campaigns of sabotage, intimidation, torture, guerilla warfare, violence, disruption of transportation and communications, insurrection and revolution against the government with the assistance of the Communists and other radicals. They planned to manufacture or purchase explosives such as 48,000 land mines each containing 5 pounds of dynamite, 210,000 hand grenades each containing 1/4 pd of dynamite as well as petrol bombs,syringe bombs, thermite bombs, 1,500 timing devices for bombs, as well as molotov cocktails.

Their requirements included 144 tons of ammonium nitrate,21.6 tons of aluminium powder and 15 tons of black powder. They prepared for a nucleus army of 7,000 soldiers. Many to be trained abroad in Communist countries. The campaign was based on the model of successes previously achieved in Algeria and Cuba. More than ten documents written in Nelson Mandela’s handwriting were submitted as evidence. They contained notes on basic and advanced military training and warfare as well as Communist doctrine. Although Mandela denied being a Communist he admitted that the aims and objectives of the ANC and Communist Party were identical. He even spoke of retaliation against non supportive blacks such as murder and cutting off their noses.
The planners were convicted and sentenced to life in prison.

Mandela was one of the founders of Umkhonto we Sizwe (“Spear of the Nation”), the military wing of the ANC. In 1962 he went to Algeria for training in guerrilla warfare and sabotage, returning to South Africa later that year. On August 5, shortly after his return, Mandela was arrested at a road block in Natal; he was subsequently sentenced to five years in prison.

“During the Rivonia trial, it had emerged that he advocated cutting off the noses of blacks viewed as traitors or white collaborators. His wife Winnie (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/361662/Winnie-Madikizela-Mandela)—whom he divorced in 1996—had during the 1980s advocated that turncoats be punished by “necklacing”—execution by placing a gasoline-filled tire around the victim’s neck and setting it alight. She was later convicted of participating in the stabbing of a young black activist who was suspected of being a police informer.”

According to the U.N. Human Rights Commission, South African blacks murdered blacks in huge numbers, laying waste to the long-held stories of a white government killing blacks in unprecedented numbers.

May his soul rest in peace since he had a very troubled life.

[elian]

Indeed, it is true - that even our greatest heroes, if they be human - are fallible. None among us are perfect and even people who others view as having great character have had to suffer and experience the full gamut of human emotion and expression. We have all done things for which we are not proud, but in the end hopefully we learn from those mistakes and by our example teach others. I for one really don't know if I would've had the strength to be incarcerated for that long and NOT be changed in some way by the experience.

This is one of my favorite videos, it was written about apartheid but for me it also resonates with the struggle for the freedom of LGBT acceptance..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LnB2fZkLAI

I will tell you a story that I don't often tell many people. Once while I was in bed thinking too hard I came to the self-righteous conclusion that Mother Theresa had ulterior motives for helping the poor, not that I even really knew all of the things she was famous for at the time mind you. I tell you, this was one time that I truly think I actually felt what it was like to be "zotted" - a terrific pain ran the length of my spine. A spirit guide admitted to me that yes, in fact I was correct - HOWEVER, being "correct" didn't matter - the amount of good she had done in her ONE lifetime was equal to about 100 average human lives..

The people we are either idolizing or disparaging never really claimed to be perfect, they still leave a lasting legacy for others.

[zenn7]

[QUO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LnB2fZkLAI

I will tell you a story that I don't often tell many people. Once while I was in bed thinking too hard I came to the self-righteous conclusion that Mother Theresa had ulterior motives for helping the poor, not that I even really knew all of the things she was famous for at the time mind you. I tell you, this was one time that I truly think I actually felt what it was like to be "zotted" - a terrific pain ran the length of my spine. A spirit guide admitted to me that yes, in fact I was correct - HOWEVER, being "correct" didn't matter - the amount of good she had done in her ONE lifetime was equal to about 100 average human lives..

The people we are either idolizing or disparaging never really claimed to be perfect, they still leave a lasting legacy for others.[/QUOTE]

]Ah to sit in our armchairs and be critics...while watching the Simpsons or 2 and a half men.... How many in this forum ..including myself have,,,[B][I]really ever done anything...significant to put ourselves at risk in order to stand up for others...Hell Ive never even shown up at a gay pride parade...

[elian]

I've gone to a few protests against the westboro baptist "church" and helped others where I could. The closest thing to divinity that human beings can accomplish seems to be taking turns to help lift each other up when needed.

At the time growing up what I thought of as great suffering in childhood actually enabled me later in life to offer genuine encouragement to others who were feeling broken because of being abused or suffering from self-esteem issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILCdwJj37iw

It can be hard to muster sometimes, but every little bit of kindness helps.. It is important to remember to be kind to yourself as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3rr4CEHjOk

[void()]

People forget history too soon, or they just never pay attention.

Something I find in looking things up, checking facts, reading interesting bits is that
socialism & communism are from the same fountain. Antony C. Sutton seems to guide
one to conclude they spring from the Prussian Empire. It was here we got the Nazi party,
as the Bolshevik Revolution or commonly known as Red October occurred. At the same
general time frame a push of Liberalism came into America, it was just a window dressed
version of Socialism with a veneer of democracy & apple pie.

America helped Russians kill Nazis by flying to Siberia via Alaska. We supplied them with
facilities, materials to industrialize. Heck, may have even given them nuclear capability
in the works. Lincoln wanted to establish a global rail system, this required refining steel,
it required labor in laying tracks. A good number still feel rail would be our cheapest form
of mass long distance travel.

That aside the politics all seems to have a congruent thread. Take children from parents,
give them to State, State indoctrinates children to obey authority without question or hesitation.
They start them young, the Prussians, give them kindergarten. Teach children to garden, to
produce, to be bonded. You need to garden to grow food for your village. "You have more? Great!
We'll let it make up shortfalls for the next three villages. Or, well you can give it to State leader/s, they
know best anyway."

And you'll always find the Hegelian dialectic hard at work in these forms of ruling, if not outright
bait and switch routines. Of course, I'm sure this goes further back, say into Egypt, Sumeria. Such
things normally do in the course of digging through reading, research. Maybe sometime we'll find the
root of the hydra. Until then, I try to avoid being greedy.

[tenni]

I'm not sure how post 14 links back to Mandela though? …but …...

The US government also permitted its capitalist industrialists to profit from trading with the Nazis while the Nazis invaded France, Russia and the Battle of Britain (summer & autumn of1940).

The US government was a prostitute and permitted its rich industrialists to trade with both the Nazis and the British/Canada/Australia. The US didn't take sides as long as its rich capitalist industrialists could benefit and profit. The US didn't enter into WW2 until they were invaded by the Japanese Dec. 7, 1941. That meant that the US supported the Nazis covertly between 1939-1941. Big whop that they permitted their industrialists to fly from Alaska to Siberia to make a buck…lol Fek man there was money to be made and the US industrialists did quite well on the lives of the blooded citizens of Europe and Britain.

Which governments stood up first against Apartheid and boycotted trade with the Apartheid government of South Africa?

[NMCowboys]

I'm not sure how post 14 links back to Mandela though?

It doesn't at all. The person who wrote it loves to post complete non-sequitur posts that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic in a hope to derail the thread for their own agendas.

[12voltyV2.0]

I think that all the troubles that exist in most of Africa does come from the fact of colonialism and how a really negative thing it was for not only those who were under its rule--but for those who ruled as well--a system which is actually rather destructive as colonialism was can only lead to a dysfunctional society and people that do cruel and barbaric things--on both sides-its a corrupting and corrosive atmosphere that destroys all.

We had the same sort of thing in the American south---where in order to keep down blacks for the nearly 100 years of Jim Crow, after the emancipation at the end of the Civil War---it also kept down the economic, political and social development of the entire society and culture.

The "modern south" did not arise until after the Civil Rights era made things better for white southerners as well as the black ones.

In such a nasty and brutal system as Apartheid was in South Africa--it is not surprising that people arose to do the sorts of things they did, both with the Afrikaners and the various black factions.

Mandela was certainly no saint but he could have been a far worse figure that would have brought wholesale bloodshed to that nation once the white regime went away. That there was some measure of the races getting along and economic development took place that at least got some blacks out of abject poverty is some sort of accomplishment.

[tenni]

Apparently, Britain and the US did not support boycotting via sanctions South Africa after a UN motion passed the General Assembly .


"At the UN, Britain consistently refused to accept that the situation in South Africa fell under Chapter VII of the [United Nations] Charter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_VII_of_the_United_Nations_Charter). Instead, in collaboration with the US, it worked for a carefully worded appeal on the Rivonia Trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial) and other political trials to try to appease Afro-Asian countries and public opinion at home and abroad; by early 1965 the issue of sanctions had lost momentum."

Mandela was arrested in 1962.

British academics initiated an academic boycott of South Africa in 1965.

“We, the (undersigned) professors and lecturers in British universities in consultation with the Anti-Apartheid Movement:


Protest against the bans imposed on Professors Simons and Roux;
Protest against the practice of racial discrimination and its extension to higher education;
Pledge that we shall not apply for or accept academic posts in South African universities which practise racial discrimination.”

[void()]

It doesn't at all. The person who wrote it loves to post complete non-sequitur posts that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic in a hope to derail the thread for their own agendas.


Actually that's untrue in this case. I was expressing a common sentiment
with you from what you posted in post number ten.



People forget history too soon, or they just
never pay attention. --- http://www.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?15271-Death-of-Nelson-Mandela&p=260363&viewfull=1#post260363

Save that some of us do refer back to history, as I evidence here. I am quoting
your posting, I read your words, I remembered them, I paid attention.

People never do pay attention. They are always to busy to read history.
As far as linking back to Mandela, one could question as to his motives
for creation of necklacing in the past. You pointed out necklacing in
your post.




"Necklacing", Nelson Mandela's gruesome
legacy: (place a gasoline soaked tire over the victim's head, taunt
the kneeling victim by throwing lighted matches ... until finally one
ignites the gasoline ... and as the victim screams in agony, Mandela
and his Communist thugs dance around the victim, laughing. Mandela's
lungs were poisoned by the inhaled smoke of his many "burned to death"
victims. ----- http://www.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?15271-Death-of-Nelson-Mandela&p=260363&viewfull=1#post260363

Might part of his motives been from the influence of a large corporation
such as British Petroleum. If Coca Cola company can have U.S. soldiers
go into places in central America to help build roads, and Nestle can
run out & kill indigenous peoples to attain coca plantation land. Why
is it difficult to think British Petroleum could not do similar to
attain oil, gas? I mean after all corporations legally are bound to only
be concerned to make a profit.

But people would "forget" that, people would not be bothered to read a
little history to see it if it existed. I'm not saying it does or does
not. I am saying that I concur in the sentiment you expressed yourself.
I was in agreement with the statement you were making.

If there was a derail and an agenda, it came from you clearly. I simply
agreed with your sentiment, that folks forget or don't bother to read
history, in relation to any person or entity. Yes, I'm sure I can see
that as non-sequitor and laden with a covert agenda.

Stop trying to lay out barbed hooks. I'm not biting. I will though say
as much.

[void()]

Apparently, Britain and the US did not support boycotting via sanctions South Africa after a UN motion passed the General Assembly .


"At the UN, Britain consistently refused to accept that the situation in South Africa fell under Chapter VII of the [United Nations] Charter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_VII_of_the_United_Nations_Charter). Instead, in collaboration with the US, it worked for a carefully worded appeal on the Rivonia Trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial) and other political trials to try to appease Afro-Asian countries and public opinion at home and abroad; by early 1965 the issue of sanctions had lost momentum."

Mandela was arrested in 1962.

British academics initiated an academic boycott of South Africa in 1965.

“We, the (undersigned) professors and lecturers in British universities in consultation with the Anti-Apartheid Movement:


Protest against the bans imposed on Professors Simons and Roux;
Protest against the practice of racial discrimination and its extension to higher education;
Pledge that we shall not apply for or accept academic posts in South African universities which practise racial discrimination.”



Interesting in light of recent postings. Thanks for this bit of historical research leg work.
Apologies for adding bold and italics to your quote. I thought emphasis warranted though
in order to further clarify and articulate a point.

And the point is that a question could be raised as to why neither government took
action to stop Mandela's past transgressions? I am fairly sure one could possibly "follow
the money" and note many politician's palms being greased as corporations are keen to
do when they desire political favors. Using petroleum based means of torture and
apparent murder, such as Mandela's "necklacing" does have a seemingly British sense
of irony and poetics. In my humble opinion, it is not too difficult to consider British Petroleum
desiring the resource of oil or gas from parts of Africa, and using whatever means needed to
attain that resource. All done covertly, subtly of course so as to not cause a civil furor. Racism,
ethnic cleansing, eugenics are easy tools to wield and conceal.

But of course, I am posting non-sequitur and with some dark hidden agenda wholly unrelated to the subject matter. I always do. Yes, that's it, of course.

[matutum]

He was also a communist, but other communists say he wasn't a very good one. He did invent the neck tie, which is to put a tire around another human beings neck and light it fire. Humans have a hard time being nice one another, you decide for your self.....

[void()]

Interesting in light of recent postings. Thanks for this bit of historical research leg work.
Apologies for adding bold and italics to your quote. I thought emphasis warranted though
in order to further clarify and articulate a point.

And the point is that a question could be raised as to why neither government took
action to stop Mandela's past transgressions? I am fairly sure one could possibly "follow
the money" and note many politician's palms being greased as corporations are keen to
do when they desire political favors. Using petroleum based means of torture and
apparent murder, such as Mandela's "necklacing" does have a seemingly British sense
of irony and poetics. In my humble opinion, it is not too difficult to consider British Petroleum
desiring the resource of oil or gas from parts of Africa, and using whatever means needed to
attain that resource. All done covertly, subtly of course so as to not cause a civil furor. Racism,
ethnic cleansing, eugenics are easy tools to wield and conceal.

But of course, I am posting non-sequitur and with some dark hidden agenda wholly unrelated
to the subject matter. I always do. Yes, that's it, of course.



Thought it best to further clarify. I am *not* definitively saying
British Petroleum did anything unethical, illegal, immoral. I am
speculating and expressing a personal opinion. Any corporation may have,
or may not have sought resources from Africa. It is clear to me at
least, in light of history, corporations seem to be soulless creatures
bent upon serving the most base human weakness, greed.

Granted, there are corporations who do good things for humanity. I am
*not* seeking to demonize corporations nor folks who work for them.
People are people, we all must be excellent to one another. And some in
fact do try doing that. It is a sad gesture that the negatives often
detract from the positives.

Also sad people need to feel compelled as I am here, to present a
disclaimer, for expressing an opinion or thought on a public forum for
public discourse. No agenda other than to say it is a shame to lose a
life, and a shame atrocities happen. But yet I'm told that is an agenda
in a derogatory fashion. What difference in who conveys the same view?

Oh, yes that's right I'm a surrealist and dreamer who believes humanity
will one day have peace. I'm someone that gives a fig, someone that
hopes, someone despite being atheist, has faith in that hope. I'm not
allowed to be abreast of the subject matter, much less express thoughts
about it. No, I'm some nut with an agenda, a plan to convert everyone to
whatever brand of brushes are popular this week.

Sorry, I call bullshit, bullshit. And that's exactly what those barbed
hooks were, bullshit. I say fuck that and you and the horse what brought
you. I'll express a thought or opinion about a subject matter at my
discretion, at least until Drew exercises his discretion as site owner
to inform me otherwise, thank you.

[zigzig]

I live in South Africa for 3 years now and got different views from people about Mandela. Movie ,,Long walk to Freedom'' showed how was it like for a black person to live in the country before Mandela came to power. There have been positive and negative things happening after Mandela became president.

Positive:
1.Freedom- constitution, that every person is equal no matter the color;
2.Gay, interracial marriage is legal;
3.Many youngsters are starting to be friends with other racial groups;
4.Easier to emigrate to other countries;
5.Access to foreign music, movies etc. In Apartheid the TV was controlled by the government. People here could't watch movies from Soviet Union or Australia. No one could listen to American, Chinese music.

Negative
1.BEE(Black Economic Empowerment)- that every companies employees must be 80% black(based on racial % in the country). The idea was good, but in reality many intellectual whites and coloreds are still emigrating, because can't compete in the job market with blacks.
2.Crime rate has gone up. When you drive a car- always lock the doors, because beggars are everywhere, even in the middle of the street. They use meth, which makes them aggressive.
3.Poverty. About 40% of population is unemployed.
4.Many white & colored people, who are qualified, emigrate mostly to USA, UK, Australia or New Zealand.
5.Racism is still alive amongst racial groups. There was a recent study about incomes, and white family earns about 6 times more then a black one. So if a beggar wants to ask someone for money, they first go to a white person.
6.Xenophobia. Since countries borders are open, because in Apartheid immigration was small. As mentioned before about employment many locals here hate foreigners, who ,,steal'' their jobs.
7.Since South Africa opened their market for cheaper products(especially chinese), product quality has dropped.
8.Country has become dirtier. In Apartheid all buildings was maintained, but now they don't put so much effort to it. Read about Hillbrow(fancy hotel in Johannesburg, which turned into a ghetto).

In Apartheid life was strict, and you must follow the law, but now many locals don't like the new government, because life has become more dangerous. I personally have been traveling to a few countries like Greece, Egypt, Mexico, USA etc., but 1st time I got stabbed(2 times in one day) was here.

[zigzig]

I heard that the rape capital was located in Congo, because a lot of ex soldiers from other African country rape women.
AIDS officially started in Congo. South Africa is the most civilized African country, which keeps the statistics. I don't think that this country is No1 in AIDS, because a lot of much poorer countries don't even keep track of violence and disease.
That is true that many locals have killed white farmers & african immigrants from other countries. I think one of the reasons is that many(not all) locals are lazy, and expect government to build them free houses and give free electricity. There was even one horrific case in schack area(self build house, where the poorest live) that locals burned alive an immigrant from Zimbabwe, because they sought he's steeling jobs. And other fact I want to mention that many white farmers are emigrating. Other African countries like Congo don't have qualified farmers, and they offer jobs to farmers here. Some even went to Nigeria.