Thai ladyboys and shemales

[NMCowboys]

I have read and seen documentaries about Thai ladyboys and she males and I am not sure what the appeal of them is?

When my partner went to Thailand he said how in their culture the ladyboys and shemales were prostitues and while they might claim to LOL "love" a farang (Thai word for foreigner), what they really loved a foreigner for was his or her assets.

Can someone explain what the appeal of a Thai ladyboy or shemale is? Why not just have sex with a real woman or a real man?

[BiRobb]

I would say it can not be explained to someone who doesn't get it. I know why I think tgirls are hot, but I don't expect someone who is not hot for them to get why I find it arousing. It's like trying to explain to a hetro man why you find men arousing you can do until the cows cum home, but he will probably never understand.

[Basin_Bouy]

Well put!

[NMCowboys]

Can someone explain what the appeal of a Thai ladyboy or shemale is? Why not just have sex with a real woman or a real man?

Or why not just have a male, male, female 3 way instead?


It's like trying to explain to a hetro man why you find men arousing you can do until the cows cum home, but he will probably never understand.

Actually that is not true at all. Heterosexual men I'm friends with have asked me questions about why I'm sexually and romantically attracted to men, and while they are not sexually or romantically attracted to men at all they do understand bisexuality and being gay.

[Basin_Bouy]

Speaking as a totally Bisexual Man, MOST Thai ladyboys are stunningly attractive as a woman with the package of a man. To me, its the BEST of both worlds

[BiRobb]

Actually that is not true at all. Heterosexual men I'm friends with have asked me questions about why I'm sexually and romantically attracted to men, and while they are not sexually or romantically attracted to men at all they do understand bisexuality and being gay.

If you say so...

[steve10557]

There's a documentary on tv (no pun) showing here at the moment, it shows a couple of guys who have opted for a life in Thailand with their Ladyboy friends, I'm sure you must have got it in the US too. It's vaguely touching showing the guys acceptance of their own sexuality, although they describe themselves as straight, but the overwhelming impression is that the Ladyboys see this as a way out of poverty, albeit they have affection for their lovers. To me the Ladyboys stick out like a sore thumb that they are guys, but their clients don't seem to see the same thing. Personally it's not something I would enjoy, but I can appreciate their appeal.

[ErosUrge]

Whether they're Thai or Brazilian, Italian or English, or American is not what's important. What is important is that they're human beings like all the rest of us. With that said, I'll step off my soap box and say that for me, these people are a major turn on. There is no doubt that many of them do the transition for economic reasons. At the same time not all of them are this way solely for economic reasons. It's much deeper than that. There is enough evidence to support the fact that they feel very much like women and many of them have felt this way most if not all of their lives. They identify and live as women but will not make the complete transition with their sexual organs. And many of them enjoy very much keeping their male genitalia while identifying as women. Yet they're aware of the fact that they aren't completely women. I personally adore women and always have. And being bisexual, I love having sex with men as well as with women. I have enjoyed the company of "Ladyboys or Shemales or Trannys" as well and had sex with 3 of them on different occasions. I enjoyed myself very much that way too. I might add that many of them do not like to be referred to as Shemales or Ladyboys and some don't care either way. The times that I was sexual with them was a major turn on. It is amazing to be turned on by a person whose body is completely feminine and whose voice is identical or similar to a woman. It's very interesting when you're kissing and feeling breasts and sucking on them where your brain is sending signals that you're with a woman and then you reach between legs to feel a hard cock; it's beyond description and a unique moment. I think it's exquisite.

[NMCowboys]

A bisexual male friend of mine told me he once had sex with a pre-op TS/TG person and how he was turned on at first; but then became confused when he saw his/her penis, and how the sex was mostly just kissing and touching.

[fredtyg]

A bisexual male friend of mine told me he once had sex with a pre-op TS/TG person and how he was turned on at first; but then became confused when he saw his/her penis, and how the sex was mostly just kissing and touching.

One thing I've found after following bi forums for some years is people's tastes are as varied as the people themselves and there's no accounting for those tastes. I've seen where guys have posted pictures of someone they thought was super hot. I found that same guy totally gross.

I happen to think those asian ladyboys are hot. I also prefer the more effeminate looking men and the "chick with dicks" types. That's just me. I know others are turned off by them and prefer more masculine types. Each to their own.

[NMCowboys]

If these women or men are Trans why are they using their penis? I have met a few Transgendered women who were pre-op and later post-op and they said how they hated having a penis, testicles, and saw this as something horrible that reminded them they were born male. They told me they would just get mouth or ass fucked during sex, and couldn't wait for the full SRS or sex change operation.

Or is being a shemale or ladyboy something completely different from being trans?

[robert4friends]

Sorry this is so long but I had to speak up. I find some ladyboys and transgendered ladies very attractive. Transwomen (pre, post or no-op) are perfectly acceptable candidates to me as friends, lovers and someday as a wife. I have a few transgendered friends both F2M and M2F. To all of them I think "Shemale" is an insulting word. I am bi so I like both sets of genitals at playtime. Emotionally, the genitals a person has does not deter my attraction to a person. I am emotionally attracted to the femininity of a person. Sorry cis women, some transwoman are more feminine than some of you and because of it more attractive.

This is just my point of view and I am not claiming to be an expert. From what I have learned and observed, it seems, nature has played a dirty trick on some people. When gender was decided before birth not all the triggers were sent off in the same direction. I have asked several of my transgender friends "when they first knew they were not in the correct body". All but one (I will get to that one in a moment) said from birth or earliest memories. When I asked why has it become an issue at this point in your life? All answered that they did not have words before to describe what was inside. Add to that the fact that as infants we desire to please our parents. As infants and then children we do what they want, act the way they expect, because by instinct we know our survival depends on them giving us the attention we need. To complicate things even more we learn sexual recognition of females first from the sight, smell, taste and sounds of our mothers in the first moments of life. Later other females and then males are recognized by the differences from our mothers, using our mothers as a baseline. There comes a point in the process of becoming an adult that they realize, "that is not who I am". It is a realization of a truth, not something that was decided.

If you were to meet my roommate on Skype you would only see and hear a young male person. Speech, general attitude and facial patterns are completely male. I have made it a point to meet both parents. They have known this person always as their little girl. This person has always talked this way, it was just how their little girl talked. They never recognized the truth because it has always been "their little girl". Their little girl just happened to like fishing, making stuff or was just good at mechanical things and a tomboy. Their little girl was always a boy they were just blind to it. It happens far more often then you might think. There are tens of thousands living in your world you would not even expect because they do not draw attention to this part of themselves and are so natural at being "men" and "women". they have loving partners, families of their own and good respectable careers.

As for that one exception I mentioned. My friend is 65 M2F and it happened in his early fifties. It is documented by blood tests that were made during checkups by his doctor. Every male experiences a drop in testosterone as they get older. He was getting checked because of the usual side effects and a lack of sexual desire but also because of an increase in breast tissue and other odd changes he was concerned about. When he was checked it was not just that his testosterone dropped. They found that in him (sorry for the incorrect pronoun) the testosterone levels had flip-flopped with estrogen levels. His body is now making as much or more estrogen as a cis female body ever does. It is not something he ever wanted or could see himself as but true just the same. His, now her, body changed gender uncontrollably on its own. As time has gone on she also has female emotional development. She is not having surgery at this age by choice.

It is because of this documented example of my friend I now believe a hormonal flip like this must happen for most trans people before birth but is missed by professionals. Or even worse, soon after birth genital correction is done on an infant before finding out what gender the person really is. Those are cases where this flip-flop has physical evidence that the doctors and parents can not ignore. Yet they still insist on making the hideous decision to mutilate the infant. It is not correction, it is mutilation. Only the person themselves are able to express his/her own true gender. As cis males and females we enjoy the right to express our gender as we see it. Trans people only want the same right. They just want to be accepted for the person they really are, not the body they may be trapped in.

Not all people in any group are bad people. Not all transgender people sell sex to make money. Some are highly educated and have good jobs and can pay their own way "off the grid". In general we tend to judge women because of how they make a living. I am not sure why. Don't we all use everything we have available to make money. Do you find looking better/dressing better will help you sell more cars or houses? If a woman can be a fashion model we tend to pat ourselves on the back just because we may know them, even if in reality they are not all that good looking. Every person has the right to use whatever they have at their disposal to make a better living. If they are honest about what they are doing I can respect them for it. Unless we open the doors of employment to transgender people as equals then how do you expect they are to make a living and get the medical help they need? Each one, just like the rest of us, is doing the best they can.

If given the chance men would be happy to have sex for money or be given money to let you women have a look. The sex workers that I have known are sometimes very good people who have expenses they need to pay. Because of a lack of education and other circumstances in their lives sex work is the only opportunity they have found for themselves, at least for a limited period of time in their lives. Is welfare and food stamps really more respectable than sex work? If a person has the ability to make a living and not rely on others why do we look down on them? Again, if they are honest about what they are doing I can respect their choice to do it. For transwomen the expenses are huge for medical and surgery. Not many have the bodies or the personal strength to make it in sex work, but I am not going to judge those who do. By the way very few choose sex work. Sex workers are more visible as income is increased by advertising. For the vast majority of trans people, advertising is the last thing they want to do.

I am no expert. I started off as a trany chaser. A chick with a dick was a kinky sexual fantasy. Over the last several years I have asked questions and some very kind transgender people have been kind enough to give me honest answers. It has been a learning and growing experience. I still have a long way to go. I make many pronoun mistakes. I keep trying and they keep forgiving me. Now I find a growing circle of my closest friends are transgender. My roommate and best friend is F2M. He is one of the most decent and moral people I have ever met. He calls me a "sweet old pervert" and sometimes "Papa". I am kind of a replacement grandfather for his real one who past away. As with everything, communication is vital to understanding others. Don't talk about transgender people, talk to them. They only ask for the same respect you would give any other person you meet for the first time. Each one is a unique human being and you just might find a treasured friend or lover in the mix if you would open up to the possibility.

[NMCowboys]

...Sorry cis women, some transwoman are more feminine than some of you and because of it more attractive.
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Too long, I didn't read your rant and wall of text. What's your point other than pushing your own agenda of bigotry against "cis" people, being the silly political correct police, and pushing misogyny upon others?

I have a friend that is Transgendered but she got full surgery and told me that if someone identifies as a chick with a dick, shemale, or ladyboy they are not really Trans and an actual Transwoman does not want to use her penis that she was born with. She does not like the ones who are prostitutes as they give all transwomen and transpeople, a bad image.

Yes it is VERY easy to tell if a man or woman is Trans, as it's obvious.

Secondly not everyone that's bisexual or even gay wants to have sex let alone an actual partnership with a Transgender person, and there's nothing wrong with this.

[Michele Mayelle]

Speaking as a totally Bisexual Man, MOST Thai ladyboys are stunningly attractive as a woman with the package of a man. To me, its the BEST of both worlds
I believe you have stated the correct reason why many men & some women as well are attracted to ladyboys/shemales

[Justayoungcollegeguy]

For me I like transwomen in general because I don't like vaginas. But I do like breasts and female curves. I kind that attractive plus they're not as delicate as women which I like. So I feel comfortable in having sex with one as far as a relationship idk I think I need a man out of a relationship.

[NMCowboys]

For me I like transwomen in general because I don't like vaginas. But I do like breasts and female curves. I kind that attractive plus they're not as delicate as women which I like. So I feel comfortable in having sex with one as far as a relationship idk I think I need a man out of a relationship.

Why do you not like vaginas?

[Justayoungcollegeguy]

It doesn't look like something I'd come into contact with for enjoyment.