Bi on TV

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

You dont see very many shows with a lot of Bi activity; but Torch Wood did, and this one that I have recently got hooked on called True Blood, does too. Gotta love how much more accepting folks are about Bi Boy-Boy action nowdays. And its very hot. Yummm!
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Bad Cat ;)

[sailorashore]

Ah, bad Cat--there's nothing bad about it. We are all granting ourselves more freedom to interact with each other in ways that were frowned upon in the past. To the haters and homophobes, it's all part of the dreaded "gay agenda," while to the rest of us it's all simply part of creating a more inclusive culture, and the media portraying us as we are
You know what I think is hot? That there are women like you about who think watching us 'boys' play together is hot. I think that is really hot!

[ansky]

another show allowing bi activity is Lost Girl a sci-fi series. the leading carature is a bisexual female

[scapegoat1987]

There's definitely more bisexual female roles on television than male roles. The shows with bisexual female roles that come to mind are Orange is the New Black, The L Word, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Once Upon a Time. In a recent GLAAD survey of LGBT characters currently on network television, the 14 male characters where all gay, but the female characters were predominately bisexual (7-2). Apparently, the general population is more capable of handling the concept of gay men over bisexual men, and they are better equipped to deal with bisexual women over lesbians.

[tenni]

Butt
Would you be good enough to list some of these bisexual male characters?

As far as True Blood is concerned, I can think of one character Tara Thorton that might be seen as lesbian (black female friend of the female blonde lead Sookie). Lafayette is a gay black man. Since there is blood letting from the vampires, I wonder if it is seen as a sexual overtone when they drink the blood of a man or woman? Which characters do you see as bisexual Cat? Do they declare themselves bisexual or are you deciding on some other level?

[John J.]

Captain Jack Harkness in Dr. Who (and especially in it's spinoff Torchwood) is bisexual. There's even quite a lot of scenes about his love interests and flirtations in the show. He is confident, heroic, and roguishly handsome. I vaguely recall some conversation in the show where he (he's a time traveler) chastises some 21st century companions about their outdated sexual notions that don't allow for all the wonderful combinations of sex like MM and FF and changing sexuality.

Quite a bold role model. And it doesn't hurt that he resembles a British Tom Cruise. :)

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Yep yep, I've Always loved watching men together, Sailor, ever since I was a young teenager and walking up on two men having fun. Hot Stuff, Maynard! Yesss..John Barrowman is Very hot as Capt Jack. :} What character in Once Upon a Time is Bi, Goat? I dont recall seeing anything like that...unless its not the Once Upon A Time that I'm thinking of. :}

Tenni-Dumpling, In True Blood, the one Vamp is Bi..or pretended to be. His name is Eric Norseman. And Tara isnt lesbian. She's slept with half the males on that show thus far...lol not once has she made out with any females that I have seen. But, ya never know..:} And the thesis of this whole thread was the acceptance of Hollywood's view towards Male-male interaction. so there. :tongue:
Chuckling Cat

[tenni]

Cat Dumpling :)
Good point about Tara and the men that she has been with. I'm still not focused in enough on Eric. Has the word "bisexual" ever been used in True Blood? I have to wonder if the characters' behave in a certain manner that we identify as bisexual behaviour. I wonder how many people see bisexual behaviour though?

In some respects Lafayette acts and wears clothes in a manner that seem to fit stereotypical gays. He has never been shown to have any interest in women. Eric on the other hand mixes his lust for blood regardless of the gender. I do have in my mind the image of a man who cooly toys with women more so than men. I will have to pay more attention. Eric's behaviour has varied over the episodes. Particularly when he did a complete turn around after he had amnesia.

[scapegoat1987]

I don't watch Once Upon a Time, but there was an article about Mulan being bisexual. I don't think she says "Bisexual," but her recent behavior in the show was bisexual in nature, or something like that. Here's a link to the article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/mulan-bisexual-once-upon-a-time_n_4101888.html

[tenni]

scapegoat
Yes, that is interesting but how up front is it compared to other expressions of love, sexual attraction from heterosexuals or even gay people?

It may be easier to piece Mulan's attraction to the princess with the other scenes but her attraction is inferred. Why is the fact that the princess is pregnant a reason for Mulan not to disclose her attraction to the princess? Mulan seems to have known that the princess was "attached" to a man. Is the pregnancy really a reason to withdraw from telling of her attraction? It seems so for most TV viewers to accept?

Similarly, Mulan's attraction for a man in a previous season requires an understanding of the series that previously this person was attracted to a cross gender person.

Then again, showing bisexuality is not as overt as showing monosexual's attractions unless you place three characters in a sexual situational threesome? Perhaps, TV is at the stage that it was years ago when inferring same sex attraction vaguely. By being very subtle about showing a character's attraction to both genders it may eventually open up bisexuality in TV. What hopefully will evolve is showing being attracted to both at the same time or the same episode or even season.

I think that the reality is that even on this bisexual site that we have posters showing confusion by referring to having gay sex but saying that they are bisexual. (they had same sex not gay sex unless they are gay) etc. Bisexuality is evasive and possibly a confusing display in many forms of literature and the arts.

Maybe, one day writers may write about real bisexual scenarios that we read about on this site. A bisexual is attracted to a same sex person while being in a relationship with a cross gender person etc. plots..lol Such conflicts and crisis would make some very judgmental challenges. ;)

[darkeyes]

Tell me, tenni... as a lesbian, (in present day parlance) I have lesbian sex (female gay sex) with another woman frequently... she is bisexual... so.. she has bisexual sex does she? Nonsense.. she has performs a homosexual act with her partner as her gay partner (myself) does with her.... it does not matter whether that (same gender) partner is gay, str8 or bi.. she has gay sex with her on a 1 2 1 basis... just as she had str8 or heterosexual sex with her ex-husband and as I did with mine.. or was that considered bisexual sex also? A bisexual who has sex with another single person has either heterosexual or homosexual sex with that person depending upon that other persons gender... bisexual sex involves 3 or more people of different genders and even then, it depends on the acts performed between those involved whether that encounter can be considered bisexual or heterosexual, and even then, depending on the interaction between those involved and the acts performed many, maybe even most if not all, can still (arguably with good foundation) be considered heterosexual or homosexual within a bisexual setting... it is not the acts which define the person but the sexuality, personality and needs of the person..

I am all for erasing bi invisibility and eliminating bi erasure.. but u do not succeed in doing that when u erase and make invisible the historical literal reality of same sex sex and create more confusion of just what it is... but there me luffly funnily enuff, I actually do have some sympathy with u.. same sex sex is just that...that's the reality... the question is do we wish to consider it as just same sex sex and call it that and should we erase from our sexual vocabulary the expressions gay sex, lesbian sex, homosexual sex, bisexual sex, str8 sex, heterosexual sex and attach to them the more accurate in many ways, but dull expression, same sex sex, opposite sex sex or mixed sex sex... so ur little statement has some merit.. but I would argue that it would serve to cause at least as much confusion as it cleared up:) and so needs a lot more serious thinking:impleased...

[tenni]

dark eyes my luffly. Same sex acts incorporate both gays and bisexuals while gay sex includes only people who identify as gay.

A bisexual is always bisexual. Your partner is always bisexual unless she transitions to identifying as gay. Both of you are involved in same sex acts. Since you are not both gay, it is only you that is involved in gay sex if you wish to identify that way.

If two heteros are having sex together they are having opposite gender sex acts. If one bisexual and one hetero have sex, you should not deny the other side of the bisexual. Do not try to make bisexuals fit into the monosexual's binary. If two gays are having sex they are having same sex acts…but if they are both gay…it is up to them to say that they are having gay sex.

To say that a bisexual has gay sex is bi erasure. To continue to exclude better and more appropriate use of language adds to the misunderstanding imo.

It is probably simpler for many monoseuxals and some bisexuals to ignore this aspect of bisexuality and speak in the monosexual thought process of a binary gay and straight.

[darkeyes]

I have to differ wivya here tenni.. kate does too... and most of my bisexual friends in the uk would take issue with u too.. that is not to say most bisexuals in the uk do.. I do not presume to speak for them.. gay is a modern word for homosexual... same sex acts are homosexual acts.. therefore in modern parlance, same sex acts are gay acts irrespective of the sexuality of those involved... being bisexual, u and every other bisexual has a homosexual or gay side.. when participating in same sex sex, you are participating not in bisexual sex but homosexuall sex... it is a consequence of the homosexual or gay side of ur bisexuality... in much the same way should u ever have it away with one of the opposite gender, it is ur heterosexual side which is in play and therefore you are involved in heterosexual sex as a consequence of ur bisexual nature. You are not gay and u are not straight, therefore u cannot be called homosexual or heterosexual but they are aspects of ur nature and every other bisexual's nature.. do not deny ur homosexuality for that to me is that u are doing.. and do not deny ur heterosexuality.. the fact that they are 2 sides of ur nature's coin does not make u homosexual/gay, and neither does it make u heterosexual/straight... it makes u bisexual and being bisexual u will if sexually active, commit sexual acts of both a homosexual/gay and heterosexual/str8 nature.. the great thing I suppose of being bisexual so u all tell me and I used to believe myself.. you have the best of both worlds by participating in both gay and str8 sex... same sex sex or opposite sex sex if u like, but in everyday usage, and every bit as accuartely.. gay and or str8 sex no matter ur, and no matter the gender of the person u are knocking off...:love87:

[tenni]

darkeyes
In Canada, there is same sex marriage..not gay marriage in most media. If gay people want to call their marriage that is fine but it is not inclusive and accepting of bisexuality. This is what I base my position on.

What do you call same sex marriage in Scotland?

I partially agree that same sex acts are homosexual acts but that is using the monosexual model. It erases the aspect of bisexuality. We do not have a gay and a straight side. We have a bisexual perspective. You and it seems Kate have a monosexual perspective. Poor Kate poor cow(to use your linguistics)..lol (kid'n)

[darkeyes]

No.. it is same sex marriage...every 1 here calls it gay marriage but it isn't.. but it is a homosexual or gay relationship between 2 peeps of the same gender rrespective of what the sexualities of the involved are.. it is a same sex marriage but u can understand why people call it gay because that it is a homosexual marriage de facto....... soooo wer does that leave us?

Accepting as reality that same sex acts are homosexual/gay acts and opposite sex acts are str8/heterosexual acts isnt bisexaul erasure... as best I can tell u are erasing ur gay and str8 side.. up 2 u of course.. Kate has no monosexual perspective at all and referring to the reality as what it is is not accepting the monosexual model... it is arguably ur sexual insecurity and possibly even inferiority complex that makes u feel such.... I dont either think it is accepting that model even tho I am what u would call a monosexual person (tho I loathe the word).. accepting aspects of our sexuality as gay or str8 is no different from accepting what we are as human beings... no one is attempting to erase ur sexuality by referring to what u do in bed as gay or str8.. it is but a reality of what is involved.. because u happen to have gay sex does not make u gay.. neither does having str8 sex make u str8.. it is the fact that u are attracted to both that makes u what u are.. bisexual..

of course fight for ur bisexuality.. and for its recognition and the elimination of bi erasure... but also fight for ur right to be recognised for what u are.. one who has both gay and str8 tendencies.. don't be ashamed of either.. they are part of u.. reclaim them for urself and for ur kind... don't let ur homosexuality and heterosexuality become subsumed by the sum of those two fundamental aspects of ur sexuality.. :bigrin: They are what make u bisexual after all.. they make u u...:)

[Gearbox]

Sex is sex. It doesn't have a sexuality or belong to one, no matter who you are or who you have it with. We put labels on sexual acts just for convenience's sake.
A heterosexual male getting his kicks out of his anus all by himself would be considered to be committing a homosexual act. A lesbian having fun all by herself with a dildo would be committing a heterosexual act. :tongue:
God knows what kind of sex a hetero male and a transexual female would be having. Some would claim gay, and others straight. Two hermaphrodites might be accused of having a bisexual orgy if they had sex.lol
But really it's all just sex.

[darkeyes]

Sex is sex.. no doubt.. but we call different sex acts different things.. as long as there is an oppressed group struggling for liberty and equality with another less or unoppressed group there is value in names for sex acts,,, o for the day when sex is just sex in everyone's eyes heart and mind.. but until then me luffly.. but even then for convenience sake we attach a label... if we didnt.. how wud we know just wot act our partners wanted to have fun wiv? Trial and error is fun quite often.. but we often get it wrong and it causes all sorts of probs... nice label and we kno zactly wot we r about do... not necessarily who.. but usually we kno wether the person we are about to do naughty things wiv is male or female.. or trans...

Interesting point u raise about trans tho.. easy to decide wot to call sex wiv fully transitioned trans.. but wiv 1 who is partially or not at all transitioned? And do we call hermaphrodites hermaphrodites nowadays:confused:? Isn't it intersex? God.. isn't it difficult sometimes:eek2:? Consult oracle...Duckie will kno...:tongue::cutelaugh

[CurEUs_Male]

I agree that Sex is sex.

So if I had anal sex with my partner- is is anal sex.
Was it "gay sex?"
no, not if my partner is my wife... And is it gay for her if I were to do the exact same thing with a guy?

nope. It's just sex. Anal, yes, but neither hetero nor homo, nor bi.

A person has an orientation. The act is sexual.

[NjbiGuy01]

"Rookie Blue" on ABC has a female police officer with a poor track record with men, who just started a relationship with a woman. Lots of kissing, touching, and suggestive scenarios...bravo ABC for airing this fine Canadian made show. It's coming out of the shadows a little at a time....

[Gearbox]

Interesting point u raise about trans tho.. easy to decide wot to call sex wiv fully transitioned trans.. but wiv 1 who is partially or not at all transitioned? And do we call hermaphrodites hermaphrodites nowadays:confused:? Isn't it intersex? God.. isn't it difficult sometimes:eek2:? Consult oracle...Duckie will kno...:tongue::cutelaugh
I'm intersex with anyone.:tongue:

Btw although I'm sure it wasn't mentioned, I'd swear Christine Cagney was at least bisexual in Cagney & Lacey. Was she in real life? Bet she was.lol

[darkeyes]

I'm intersex with anyone.:tongue:

Btw although I'm sure it wasn't mentioned, I'd swear Christine Cagney was at least bisexual in Cagney & Lacey. Was she in real life? Bet she was.lol
U mean is she in real life:confused: To the best of my knowledge, luffly man, her clogs remain unpopped:tongue:.. I don't know Gear.. she is or she isn't.. is it important 2 u? Edinburgh dialect word for glass is gless.. and common diminutive for Sharon Shazz.. Shazz Gless.. sounds very Scottish... and her voice rasped like broken gless.. oops glass... and still dus,,but didnt.. dusnt haff give me hots!!!! I kno.. useless piece of information... but all I kno is she wos gorge and is still bit of all right for old grannie bag:impleased:tongue:...

[Long Duck Dong]

Sex is sex.. no doubt.. but we call different sex acts different things.. as long as there is an oppressed group struggling for liberty and equality with another less or unoppressed group there is value in names for sex acts,,, o for the day when sex is just sex in everyone's eyes heart and mind.. but until then me luffly.. but even then for convenience sake we attach a label... if we didnt.. how wud we know just wot act our partners wanted to have fun wiv? Trial and error is fun quite often.. but we often get it wrong and it causes all sorts of probs... nice label and we kno zactly wot we r about do... not necessarily who.. but usually we kno wether the person we are about to do naughty things wiv is male or female.. or trans...

Interesting point u raise about trans tho.. easy to decide wot to call sex wiv fully transitioned trans.. but wiv 1 who is partially or not at all transitioned? And do we call hermaphrodites hermaphrodites nowadays:confused:? Isn't it intersex? God.. isn't it difficult sometimes:eek2:? Consult oracle...Duckie will kno...:tongue::cutelaugh

lol it depends.... I agree with you and others, sex is sex but also the person you are having sex with can define the type of sex ( gay / bi / hetero ) but there is a grey area with people that call themselves gender undefined... they are labeled according to the person they are having sex with....

where it becomes a real issue, is as you pointed out, kate and you make love and you see it as gay sex but that term supposedly doesn't apply to kate... so you are supposedly having gay sex with your partner who is having same sex with you..... and I am not sure about you and kate, but thats just being semantic and pedantric, specially where there was a thread in the forum by a poster who posted a pic of kim crapdassian and talked about his heterosexual side coming out and what what I gather in this thread based around your comments... thats wrong if others do it cos its bi erasure to have a heterosexual and homosexual side when you are bisexual but its ok when they do it.....

with intersex people, we are * assigned * a sexual activity based around our gender and that gets really stupid, as if I was a female but male on my birth cert, I would not be having same / gay sex with you because I was a male on paper, so it would be heterosexual sex, I would be having same/ gay sex with you because I ID as a female, but it would not be gay sex but same sex if I IDed as a bisexual female, and gay sex if I IDed as a gay female....

trans people deal with the same issue, its not same / gay / hetero / bi sex... its trans sex... cos some how they no longer have a gender or a sexuality but a state of being ( trans ).... talk about dehumanizing a person.... however if they are fully transistioned and nobody is any the wiser, its sex defined by their gender ( not their legal gender if it has not been changed )

this is why I have the rule of thumb of call it as you feel comfortable with it, of you and kate call it gay sex, its gay sex, if you call it same sex, its same sex, if you call it love making without labels, then its love making without labels....... and its not bi erasure or bi invisibility as kate is not denying who she is and nor are you.... its other people trying to deny you the right to call your love making what ever you want.... and that is a form of erasure and invisiblity as they want you to deny your truth about aspects of your own life......

celebrate who you are with pride and enjoy the love making you share cos you are anything but closeted, you and kate promote same sex happiness and love between a bisexual and a lesbian without shame and that is visibility in the eyes of others....

[tenni]

I agree that sex is sex and the gender should not matter. It does though. It matters a lot in society today as far as monosexuals are concerned. Bringing it back to bisexuals on TV, it matters whether the character is perceived as having same sex play or opposite sex play or both genders sex play. Most TV characters have cross gender sex and that is the mainstream. Over the past ten or so years, same sex has been increasing. The issue with proclaiming that it doesn’t matter what gender that you are having sex with is not being communicated very well in TV. In other words the attitude that some bisexuals and others may hold about the gender not mattering when you are having sex is not being communicated...or even vaguely being referred to on TV.


btw Some people do not seem to understand what bi invisibility means. It means not recognizing bisexuality in our institutions, history and media. Ignoring and not acknowledging clearly bisexuals on TV is Bi Invisibility. (that would include saying it doesn't matter if you say a bisexual is having gay sex..imo) We are seeing the beginning of emerging acknowledgement of bisexuality on TV... but as I wrote about saying the gender doesn’t matter...needs to be communicated clearer. I think many monosexuals will just be confused by this attitude but give it a try Gear or dark eyes. Write a screen play and convince a gay man that it doesn't matter whether he has sex with a man or a woman. Sex is sex regardless of gender. ;)


Bi erasure means something similar to bi invisibility but to ignore bisexuality and say that it doesn’t matter what you call the sexual act or worse referring to it as gay sex is bi erasure. I think that dark eyes and I will have to agree to disagree.. ;)

[Long Duck Dong]

Captain Jack Harkness in Dr. Who (and especially in it's spinoff Torchwood) is bisexual. There's even quite a lot of scenes about his love interests and flirtations in the show. He is confident, heroic, and roguishly handsome. I vaguely recall some conversation in the show where he (he's a time traveler) chastises some 21st century companions about their outdated sexual notions that don't allow for all the wonderful combinations of sex like MM and FF and changing sexuality.

Quite a bold role model. And it doesn't hurt that he resembles a British Tom Cruise. :)

based on the story line of torchwood, jack comes from a society where pansexuality is the norm and most people ID as fluid sexuality

[darkeyes]

Bi erasure means something similar to bi invisibility but to ignore bisexuality and say that it doesn’t matter what you call the sexual act or worse referring to it as gay sex is bi erasure. I think that dark eyes and I will have to agree to disagree.. ;)

Ahhh twas ere thus:cutelaugh...

..and dont think ne 1 has sed wot we call sex acts don't matter.. Gear sed sex acts have no sexuality and things led on from ther including the need to label sex acts so we kno wtf we r talking about and doing wiv each other!! Wot I say is that homosexuality and homosexual acts are a fundamental part of an active bisexual's life and to deny that is to deny that part of you... is plain dull ole missionary 'tween man and woman bi sex if one or even both are bisexual and there are only the 2 of them involved? If not then, if I may borrow one of the luffly Gear's more charmingly base British expressions, one guy doing another guy up his chuff is no more bi sex than missionary sex 'tween man and woman.... either or both may be as a result of the individuals concerned being bisexual but the acts themselves are not bi sex and I very much doubt very many would claim otherwise..... So I see wer Gear is coming from, but what u do in fighting against bi erasure and bi invisibility is erase those parts of yourself which make you bisexual and fling and invisibility cloak around them... it is those two sides of ur character which make u bisexual.. the 2 sides of what u do sexually make u actively bisexual.. you can't take a brillo pad and scrub away the homo and heterosexual aspects of ur life away that easily, tenni... to combat bi erasure and invisibility u need another weapon:love87:...

[tenni]

Ahhh twas ere thus:cutelaugh...

..and dont think ne 1 has sed wot we call sex acts don't matter.. Gear sed sex acts have no sexuality and things led on from ther including the need to label sex acts so we kno wtf we r talking about and doing wiv each other!! Wot I say is that homosexuality and homosexual acts are a fundamental part of an active bisexual's life and to deny that is to deny that part of you... is plain dull ole missionary 'tween man and woman bi sex if one or even both are bisexual and there are only the 2 of them involved? If not then, if I may borrow one of the luffly Gear's more charmingly base British expressions, one guy doing another guy up his chuff is no more bi sex than missionary sex 'tween man and woman.... either or both may be as a result of the individuals concerned being bisexual but the acts themselves are not bi sex and I very much doubt very many would claim otherwise..... So I see wer Gear is coming from, but what u do in fighting against bi erasure and bi invisibility is erase those parts of yourself which make you bisexual and fling and invisibility cloak around them... it is those two sides of ur character which make u bisexual.. the 2 sides of what u do sexually make u actively bisexual.. you can't take a brillo pad and scrub away the homo and heterosexual aspects of ur life away that easily, tenni... to combat bi erasure and invisibility u need another weapon:love87:...

If a TV series shows a man and a woman having sex, it is showing cross gender sex imo. Their sexuality is unknown unless more information is disclosed in the script.

Ah, as far as a man inserting his penis into a woman's chuff or a man's cuff both are anal sex acts. That I can agree on. A biman inserting his penis into another man is same sex activity or anal sex…not gay sex. ;)?

There is no invisibility cloak but perhaps a lack of information. It is when the media refers to a man inserting his penis into another person that labels come out with gay sex or labelling the person as gay. That is Bi Invisibility and probably lazy journalism.

It is the same as calling these preachers who are found to be having washroom sex with other men being called gay when in fact they have a wife that they may be having sex with too. They are probably bisexual and not gay. It is bi Invisibility being practiced by the media. They should ask the preacher if he is gay or bisexual.(cuz he isn't heterosexual)

Bisexuals do not need a brillo pad to scrub the homo away. They do need appropriate use of language just as other sexualities have "claimed" language terms such as gay to describe homosexual. Bisexuals should claim the term "same sex" to describe their same sex encounters. Only gays have the right to call it gay sex imo.

[darkeyes]

Only gays have the right to call it gay sex imo.Which is where we differ... ahh well... nowt new in that, tenni... same sex. cross gender... accurate descriptions but dull hey? Wich is why other epithets have more or less taken ther place for whatever reason.. the English language is wonderfully flowery in so many ways... but words come to have certain meanings for gud or ill far differently from what they originally meant.. it helps us understand mostly but sometimes it can cause confusion but less so as time goes on..... gay is one word, rarely used nowadays to mean what it did not so long ago... in my lifetime that word has come to be a descriptor of a person such as myself... and/or, I would argue, describe a certain kind of act... rightly or wrongly that is the reality and in a half century or so how many will use the word as meaning happy and jolly? Probably a damn sight less than used it to mean homosexual little over half a century ago...How many will even know its original meaning?

If u can get the world, or even just the bisexual world to agree with u wholeheartedly then fine... it isn't something that worries me very much and i won't fight u on it because we have so many far more important things to fight about or more accurately.. for...... things change.. the world changes.. language changes.. but in this it just seems to me such a total waste of time but it does make for a fun argy bargy;)...

[tenni]

darkeyes
With all respect, the problem is that you are not bisexual(according to you). You are a monosexual lesbian who seems to be arguing against bisexuals developing their own symbols and language. On the other hand you post good for us if we can do this. I believe that there was strong resistance to homosexual (fags/queers/fudge packers etc.) adapting a new positive term (gay) to describe themselves. Your position doesn't seem very supportive of bisexuals and their positive development of self and as a sexuality on TV? I think that you are correct by inferring that bisexuals tend to be most difficult to educate/unite etc. There is so much that TV could do to improve a bisexual's lot in life by developing bi positive plots.

[darkeyes]

darkeyes
With all respect, the problem is that you are not bisexual(according to you). You are a monosexual lesbian who seems to be arguing against bisexuals developing their own symbols and language. On the other hand you post good for us if we can do this. I believe that there was strong resistance to homosexual (fags/queers/fudge packers etc.) adapting a new positive term (gay) to describe themselves. Your position doesn't seem very supportive of bisexuals and their positive development of self and as a sexuality on TV? I think that you are correct by inferring that bisexuals tend to be most difficult to educate/unite etc. There is so much that TV could do to improve a bisexual's lot in life by developing bi positive plots.
According to?:cutelaugh According to u, u are bisexual so u pays ur money u takes ur choice;).. and I'm funning wivya ther so dont get all het up an narked at me now willya:eek2:..

..but u r rite in this.. we r different.. not just diff genders, and sexualities.. just diff peeps.. we live in diff countries and have similar in someways, yet different cultures.. our entire lives have been different and have shaped us into who we r with some he'p from what we wer born with.. we speak the same yet a different language... so of course in many ways.. on diff things we will have diff views and perspectives and think very differently.. all of the a4sed and more will come in play in how we c things and how we think.. and we think ver differently on thiis... I am far more a lgbt unitarian than u for I see in that unity greater strength and faster progress to the aims we desire....... but am not so blind to the wishes of bisexuals that I cannot c that in so many ways they feel estranged from the lgbt... which if I may say so is something no one is exempted responsibility, and I include bisexuals themselves... there are many good reasons for this based on the history of bisexuality and of individual bisexuals just as once gays were in a similar position...indeed many still are the world over and even in progressive western cultures too..

I do not want to stop bisexuals from developing their own language or symbolism.. if they can improve on what exists then fine... but 2 make it sound dull and unexciting... mundane...??? That isn't in my opinion a way to get shot of bi-erasure and invisibilty... it won't help the cause of bisexuals... have ur own symbols fine.. have ur own language fine.. but accept the reality of what homosexual and heterosexual acts are within a bisexual context.. think why such acts are considered one or t'other... develop ur own language.. but make it understandable so it can cross fertilise and be interchangable with that of the other sexualities .. allow them 2 run in tandem.. who knows, bisexual words may become the accepted norm..... but accept what the reality of the acts u perform are.. accept that within u, u are part gay and part str8.. that most of u do or wish to do acts some of which are gay some of which are str8... mayeb u will convince the rest of us that those acts are bisexual, or at least some of them...but I very much doubt it if u deny those fundamental things u are and most of u do that u will enjoy too much success except in a very isolated and narrow context within the bisexual community because the perception at least exists elsewhere among many who are not bisexual that u do deny much of what u are and often display little willing to be bisexuals in the sense that Britons are often considered (and many are) little englanders because of ther dislike of Europe and their arrogant feeling of superiority over the rest of humanity (and some Scots over the rest of the UK for that matter)...

Have sed me bit and wont say ne more on the subject on this thread at least..so will leave u too it..:bigrin::love87:

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Tenni-Dumpling..I didnt see the episode of True Blood that had Tarra as being a Bi until a few mins ago. My apologies..:}
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