Can a Bisexual become Gay?

[tenni]

The meaning of "can" involves "being able" to physically and mentally be capable of doing something.

I recall hearing from men who identify as Gay discussing their awakening. Men who married discovering that they are Gay. I think that is different from a man who marries believing himself a hetero discovering that he likes pussy and cock. In other words Bisexual.


These men who recognize that they are Gay realize that may have perceived themselves as bisexual. Many of us have heard about these people. Some Gays use it as an argument that there is no such thing as Bisexuality. We are in denial and really Gay.


When I asked Gay men about emotional aspects of their sexuality, they gave interesting responses.


Have you ever had sex with a woman?
Some would say no and express repulsion over vaginas. Some would say yes but they didn’t like it?


Did you enjoy sex with women?
Most Gays say no or something was missing.


Have you ever been in love with a woman?
This is the interesting part. Some Gay men who identified as Gay after thinking themselves hetero then bisexual give an interesting answer. Some who married state that they “love their wife but are not in love with her”. “They didn’t know what love was until they fell in love with a man”.


Can a person become Gay after thinking themselves heterosexual?
I would say yes.


Can a person become Gay after thinking themselves bisexual?
Yes. That is different from I was bisexual and then I became Gay.


It may come down to discussing their emotional love attachment feelings like the Gay men that I interviewed years ago.

I have seen recently men who identified as Gay awakening to sexual interest in women. Were they always bisexual and initially their swing was dominantly same sex to later have their sexual attraction suddenly swing towards women? Some state that they felt GL pressure to conform to same sex and it was hard to "come out" as bisexual...first to themselves. Might the sexual attraction swing back to men again? If they are bisexual it might. Would they then be Gay again? or na...They would be bisexual?

Once bisexual..always bisexual? I'd say yes...you never know when the swing might happen...repress it all you want., we bisexuals can not will our sexuality to be hetero or gay.

Can a bisexual "become" Gay or were they really always Gay?

Some who see bisexuality as very fluid will say yes ...cuz they tend to be unclear or dislike boundaries. Jokingly someone told me recently that bisexuals tend to want it all. Therefore bisexuals can be all sexualities if they want to..lol (yes the person was bisexual who said this)

Your thoughts?

[Realist]

I've been in committed, but open relationships with a few of my male partners. I loved them, and shared many mutual interests with them. I could have easily been satisfied to live with them in a committed, but open agreement.

But, I doubt if I would have ever been exclusively gay.

[Bisexual Explorer]

Another thread regarding sexual identity. As I get older, I find myself increasingly drawn to having sex with men. Should I decide to have sex exclusively with men, have I gone from bi to gay or have I finally recognized my inherent gayness? Straight, gay, or lesbians who need to put a label on me are free to do so. I don't need them.
Bisexual Explorer

[tenni]

I see your point Bisexual Explorer.

Often, it is stated (by bisexuals) that our sexuality is something that only we can define or determine ourselves. For those like yourself, I would suggest that you may be exhibiting a trait of bisexuality itself. The desire to be fluid and undefined seems to be a comment repeated on this site.

However, our sexuality is not really just a private and personal thing despite how much some of us would like it to be. There is a socio political aspect to sexuality. While the bisexuals are vascilating and wanting no boundaries, the monosexuals are gobbling up the publicity and money to fund research, sexual health services, political clout etc.

Inaction and a lack of clarity has us in positions where the other sexualities are busy defining sexuality and life...lol Can bisexuals become Gay, well those who are ambivalent seem to say ok. If you want to.

[Gearbox]

Yes, IMO nobodies sexuality is set in stone and we can do bugger all to direct our sexuality into any particular 'box'. It dictates to us, not the other way round.One day I might discover that I have a lost my attraction to either gender and will opt for a hetro or gay tag. THAT is all I could do about it!lolIt's what causes our sexualities to swing or change that fascinates me! What goes on 'behind the curtain' is a mystery, but we know that SOMETHING goes on there.

[tenni]

Gear
If you have deeply loved a woman or many women and you then fall in love with a man. You only want to have sex with men. Are you not still bisexual because you did really enjoy sex with a woman and loved her deeply? Gay people do not experience this at all. Nor do heteros fall deeply sexually in love with same sex.

You may live as a guy who only wants sex with another man now....but you know that it is not forever...lol

[Gearbox]

I only had sex&relationships with women while wanking about men, and now I do the oposite.lolIn my mind I was born bi, and expect I'll die bi, coz I've never experienced being straight or gay. Although I believe that ALL sexuality is fluid and can change, that doesn't mean it will! Some live whole lives without change, but that doesn't mean their particular sexuality (LBGH)is a rock solid unwavering linear. That myth is proactively dished out about homosexuality the most IMO. It's bollox! Yet I hear it from SOME gays often enough to take note. It's as if by labelling themselves 'gay' they are obligated to reject past sexual/emotional attractions of a heterosexual nature. They 'found the light'! Yet they describe a hetero or bi sexuality beforehand. THAT is labeled as 'denial' and compartmentalised as 'a journey to self acceptance'. It seems to be not only pro-gay, but pro-monosexuality, THAT (IMO) is not being accepting of ANY sexuality. And it OFTEN shows when I discuss MY sexuality with SOME gay men. SOME hetero's are convinced that one lick of a same gender means you've turned to the 'other side' and was 'living a lie' too.lolMono is easier to deal with and bi's mess that up! WHY? I don't know!

[onesucker4u]

I could,but most likely with a younger guy, because of their beauty. I could have been exclusive with 2 men that I have had threesums with them and my girlfriend. I actually was falling in love with one beautifull, very loving (to both of us) man that I could see me cuddling and kissing, because he was just so nice and easy to be with,not to mention willing to do anything sexually. The other was even younger 24, and had a tiny hairless body that I wish I had fucked his cute little butt- I did enjoy tonguing him while he fucked my girlfriend and I've never done that before. I have never desired to fuck a guys but before, turned off by hair.

[TNMike]

Hi all. I'm jumping into my first discussion here. For most of my life, I identified as 100 percent absolutely straight, because after all I could look at a woman and be attracted to her, and everyone said it wasn't cool to be not straight, so I was straight. And I really believed it. Now, not so much. I'm still attracted to females, but I'm ok with thinking about guys too. So, is it that my sexuality is that fluid, or was I just in a profound case of denial for most of my life? I tend to think it's a little of both. Do you all think that if most people were honest with themselves, we're all on a sliding scale?

[dafydd]

Tenni, how do u know what most gays experience or feel, or desire, or crave, or miss or have never missed?
U can only know what u feel, and what u desire, and what u need..
That's the only person worth asking those questions to....yourself....
or ourselves, ..each individual must know itself... But by itself only..., and though this well meaning curiosity into the minds of others is good stuff, its ultimately useless in the search for understanding within our own actions and thoughts.

Unless,....
..your just a nosey bugger.. And want to know what makes dick tick..:-) .:-)

[tenni]

Daf.

I agree that we can only know about ourselves.

I know certain things because I asked men who identified as Gay what they felt and desired. They answered questions for me. They told me how they felt and desired. I read for about five years the thoughts of gay men on a site for gay men. The rare odd one dared to ask if they were bisexual because they were curious about having sex with a woman. Most did not have that doubt...or at least didn’t publicly ponder it. Those that ponder a possibility of attraction to both genders didn’t mean that they were bisexual necessarily. One still clung to the gay identity but still his curiousity remained. He did not dare explore it though.

Yes I am a nosey bugger. Yes, I know what makes dick tick..being the owner of an older model myself... ;)

You may stroke the model but do not kick the tires...lol

[elian]

Oh tenni, if we knew the answer to that question we would know the answer to so many others about just what being LGBT is all about.

When I was younger I used to think of myself as gay because that is all I knew about myself and how I related to the world, if that makes sense. With more information and experience my perception changed.

I think it is possible to change your response to situations, but it is very hard to deny who you are physically attracted to - I would say impossible. "Who we are" starts being formed at a very young age, Any "denial" seems to be an attempt by the mind and body to stave off harm; and a person absolutely can lie to themselves. You would be surprised just what our minds and bodies will do to try to stay alive or "comfortable".

We learn from the model of a neural network. Genetics plays a part but also you can drop a baby in an environment with no preconceived notions and it will learn to adapt to that environment based on feedback from others around and historical information. A nervous breakdown is when someone's learned internal model of behavior no longer fits external reality.

I ran into my grade school girlfriend a few years ago and she said that she didn't think I had changed. I would've liked to know what she was seeing on the outside because I feel at least on the inside that I have grown a lot since then. Maybe it isn't really a matter of "changing" but rather as more is revealed through inner discovery we find out who we already are.

I am in no way making a judgment about whether or not it is "appropriate" for someone to be gay, or bi, or both .. I don't own or control other people's perceptions of themselves, nor do I want to.

[bipolynvegas]

All human's are technically and bisexual build humans All humans are capable of being sexually attracted to both genders or just one at various stages of sexual identy. Thus you can be straight or gay within your bisexually build human body. And change back and forth bi the way.

[dafydd]

Some humans are built to a different design. The bisexual model of fluid sexuality is still a model, and can be just as cookie cutter in its idealized notion of sexually diverse humans. The uber bisexual is just as constraining an image as the myopic fuck-wittery of rigid hetero gender roles. Not everyone's sexual desire is that complex.. Just as much as not everyone's desire is that simple. Not all bisexuals are bisexually equal. Some are kind of creepy. And others are barely conscious.

[tenni]

"The uber bisexual is just as constraining an image as the myopic fuck-wittery of rigid hetero gender roles."
Daf
Expand on this statement please?

"All humans are capable of being sexually attracted to both genders"
I have read people on this site posting such statements before. From my perspective it seems to be of the same (myth?) as gay people stating that bisexuals are just gay in denial. I agree that absolutes are a bit too much but I do not also think that a bisexual can become gay. I think that a bisexual may live a lifestyle of same sex coupling just as a bisexual may live a cross gender coupling. In either cases, the person is not hetero nor gay. Sexual exploration is not necessarily sexual attraction. It is the same as guys who are cock centric and not attracted to men in other ways. There is a wide range of bisexuality but to become gay imo is to realize that you are gay rather than bisexual. I think that our primary sexual attraction shifts for bisexuals and that is where the idea of fluidity comes in to play.

I don't think that bisexuals are wishy washy about their sexual attraction...I am a bit perplexed by those that advocate such an approach to their sexuality that they think that if they are primarily attracted to same gender that they are gay..next week straight..na.

I know that my primary sex activity is with men. I also know that today while in a line up I was eying a thin woman with tight jeans on pondering the possibility of my hands wandering over her....opps...slut that I am...lol

[dafydd]

[QUOTE=tenni;246469]"The uber bisexual is just as constraining an image as the myopic fuck-wittery of rigid hetero gender roles."
Daf
Expand on this statement please?

I think that some hetero and homo people hold onto inflexible notions of who they can find attractive... based on their gender.

I think that some bisexual people hold onto inflexible notions that bisexuality inherently more diverse than heterosexuality and homosexuality.

i dont beleive it is.
I think its just as unhelpful to be told that you *should* be attracted to everybody equally *regardless* of their gender, as it is unhelpful to be told that you *shouldnt* be attracted to somebody *because* of their gender.

Or that human beings would all be bisexual if only it wasn't for society and prejudice and/or whatever patriarchal, heteronormative hegemony that we as bisexuals are all supposedly 'equally oppressed' by.

The second quote wasn't mine , but it illustrates the main point that i was challenging.
:-) d

[tenni]

“I think that some bisexual people hold onto inflexible notions that bisexuality inherently more diverse than heterosexuality and homosexuality. “


Well, in the sense that people are attracted to a variety of hair colour, breast/cock size, body shape or other physical or cognitive skils etc, yes hetero and gay are divese if that is what you mean.


As far as bisexuals “must be attracted equally” to both genders, I completely agree. Fluidity of sexuality attraction adds proof to that. Very few bisexuals are equally attracted to both genders consistently over their lifetime, I would guess. Some may be like that though. The question about moving from being bisexual to gay supports a misunderstanding that that is possible? If you were attracted to both genders at one time and find yourself now attracted to one gender or the other is no proof that five years from now that your sexuality attraction may move again to be the opposite that it is today.

[elian]

It's an interesting notion that all people start out bisexual, that might explain a cute guy at work who went to grab a piece of lint off my sweater and stopped himself at the last minute repeating in a panicked voice that he wasn't gay out loud to entire lunch room 3 times.

It's a shame that more people just can't love PEOPLE, regardless of the sex - I think some people, guys especially confuse feelings of love with feelings of sexual attraction. Some of them are afraid of BOTH as far as same-sex goes. It's a shame.

I do believe that there are some people who are straight as a board and others who are as bent as a boomerang..that's what makes the world interesting! It would be boring if we were all the same.

The problem I have is when you start taking choice away and dictate that you must ALL be this way. Regardless of the outcome of our discussion, sexual identity, like gender, height, skin color, eye color, hair color - should be a small variation of the whole person.. In our society however those things shade the whole perception of a person's life.

[dafydd]

I'm not attracted to genders though Tenni.
Yup Elian... Totally spot on. You have a much better clearer and concise way of putting it, but that's what I'm on about,
I'm attracted to individual people.
Everyone is.

You're letting the tail wag the dog Tenni...be careful or the dog may end up walking you.. and before you know it, you're being guided by the labels rather than using the labels as guides.
X

[tenni]

Daf
I think that amongst bisexuals your statement about being attracted to the individual and not the gender is an appropriate statement to make where there will not be too much confusion. If we are discussing labels (and we are) a person who is attracted to the person and not the gender is more than likely a pansexual. That would also include transpeople.

I'm not sure about your warning about labels but thanks for the warning ;)

My dog is always wagging her tail...lol when she want something. :) I've never seen her body moving and the tail motionless. Nope no tail wagging the dog in Canuckland..bucko.
X ;)

[dafydd]

I think maybe my viewpoint is also an exposure thing, in terms of how long i have explored my bisexuality and at what stages in my life.
I have been into pole and hole since 18.. Through college in late nineties, and never questioned and actively celebrated.....
I have a high tolerance to cock, in the sense that I've seen my fair share of them, and don't have the weight of repression behind me that means it defines what being with a man is for me.
being with a man and a woman is not about my need for indulgence in either respective genitalia..
I date both men and women, not because my bisexuality affects my desire... But rather because it doesnt affect my desire.

Basically I can have sex without thinking, but am really attracted to someone's thinking
rather than mindless sex.

[dafydd]

Hmmm. I'm not so sure I agree with what I just wrote....
...will go figure this out

[darkeyes]

Hmmm. I'm not so sure I agree with what I just wrote....
...will go figure this out
:cutelaugh Daffy bugger... question is easy 2 answer u kno wivout all the waffle u lot comin' up wiv... yes.. but not every bisexual can or will.. easy peasy.. braniac strikes again!!:impleased Off 'ome now... done me gud deed for day!:love87:

[jamieknyc]

Any person can change their sexual orientation at any stage in life. I know gays who changed to straight, straights who changed to gay, and every other combination.

A lot of people have a great deal invested in 'born this way' identity politics, but saying it doesn't make it true.

[Iowason]

After my second divorce last summer, I have been leaning more towards guys than girls. I have been with several guys since then but not looking for a girlfriend. I should add though that I am still attracted sexually to both sexes.

[tenni]

Any person can change their sexual orientation at any stage in life. I know gays who changed to straight, straights who changed to gay, and every other combination.

A lot of people have a great deal invested in 'born this way' identity politics, but saying it doesn't make it true.

Well, I see your point. Here is another possible interpretation. The person didn't change their sexual orientation. They finally discovered that they were bisexual. This explanation doesn't explain a person going from gay to straight though. Are you referring to people who "prayed the gay away" philosophy?

[darkeyes]

People don't change'their sexual orientation.. it may change, but that isn't the same thing at all.. people may claim to have changed, but neither is that necessarily.. and as to changing sexuality from gay to straight,, if we accept a person's sexuality can change from str8 to bisexual or to gay, is it not possible for the same forces of nature to go in reverse and change a person from gay to bisexual or str8? We can't have it all our own way,,, no one has ever explained satisfactorily why a person's sexuality changes any more than why people are the sexuality they are.. the question of praying away sexuality is more likely to be a question of repressing what a person is so deeply because of external forces which create doubt and probably shame in their mind about the rightness of what they are.. brain washing is brain washing whatever we call it.. but deeply buried within such a person remains that spark which at some stage is likely to reignite the flame of the true self... they don't pray the gay away.. they just pray it into the deepest recesses of the mind.

[firebird19]

You can become any thing you want ! Then change your mind and become some thing else !
So can you , yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jamieknyc]

Well, I see your point. Here is another possible interpretation. The person didn't change their sexual orientation. They finally discovered that they were bisexual. This explanation doesn't explain a person going from gay to straight though. Are you referring to people who "prayed the gay away" philosophy?

No, there is no evidence that prayer-based therapies are effective. But people's love and sexual interests do change.

I rmemeber in my old community in Brooklyn, how it created a minor shock wave when the community's best-known lesbian met a man, left her long-time partner and married him.

[tenni]

No, there is no evidence that prayer-based therapies are effective. But people's love and sexual interests do change.

I rmemeber in my old community in Brooklyn, how it created a minor shock wave when the community's best-known lesbian met a man, left her long-time partner and married him.

Do you see this as the lesbian becoming straight or do you see this as the lesbian realizing that she was really bisexual with the ability to be attracted to both genders rather than just her own gender?

[Annika L]

Gods, tenni, but this question is just *riddled* with semantics and need of definition.

First is the issue that "bisexual" and "gay" are ill-defined terms. Does "bisexual" mean *attracted* to both sexes? Or does it mean sexually involved with both sexes? Or does it mean at some point in time sexually involved with both sexes? Or might it mean at some point in time attracted to both sexes? Or something else.

I have made to secret of my strong feelings here: I define it as "attracted to both sexes...regardless of whether you've ever been sexually involved with either".

Next is the important issue of: when a person notes that their sexuality feels different than it once did, can that person know whether the sexuality has changed, or whether they simply understand their sexuality better? In fact, is there a real difference between these two things? I have heard much from men and women from all quarters, and opinion here seems extremely divided on this topic. If you had enjoyable sexual experiences with men and women for 10-20 years, say, and then realized that meh, you're really only interested in women...did your sexuality change, or did you just engage in a lot of experimentation and finally settled on what it was? The more important question here is "can YOU tell?" We are expert storytellers all, and we are our primary audience...and we tend to believe the stories we tell ourselves wholeheartedly and devoutly, getting upset when challenged on the veracity of what we've told ourselves. But that doesn't make what we say true. Can we know what is true? Not without some empirical definition of bisexuality, homosexuality, and heterosexuality...and while you can make empirical definitions if you treat sexuality as "who you have sex with", you cannot do so if you treat sexuality (as I do) as "to whom you're attracted"...because there is no empirical way to measure attraction...attraction is just another story we tell ourselves.

And then there's the other question of whether it matters. What difference does it make whether you understand yourself better or whether your sexuality changed? Were you always bisexual, but once thought you were gay? Or did you become bi? Who cares? As long as you know what you want *now*, why label your past? I mean, ok, maybe you identified as gay...so if that was part of your identity, and it no longer is, fine, I get that. One's sexuality-identity *does* change...that's for sure. But why look beyond that into "yeah, I *identified* as gay...but was I?" "I've always been bisexual...but for a while I mistakenly identified as gay...even though I was only really having hetero sex during that time..." AGH!! It makes one's head spin!

So I suppose I come down on the side of not worrying about truths we can never know...at least not until scientists can look into our brains and see homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality (quite possibly a day not too far off). Worry about figuring out what you like, what you want, here and now. Once you figure it out, don't stop questioning it: *keep* asking, because "here and now" changes from instant to instant. But identify in whatever way makes the most sense to you...that identity may well shift over time...but as long as you're true to your best understanding of yourself in each "here and now", you'll be your most authentic self.

Having said *all* of that...tenni...what exactly prompts this question for you?

[elian]

I've dated gay people who just cannot believe that bisexuals exist. You could say the same thing for a few bi's with respect to gay and straight people. Actual first hand experience is the only thing that seems to convince people and even then sometimes they deny it.

I guess it is human nature to "want to know" but I think ultimately you are right Annika, it is so easy to chase your tail - in the best world we could let go and just be happy for ourselves and for each other.

[tenni]

Hello Dear Annika

re: post 31
I went as far as defining the word “can” but not as far as defining bisexual, gay. It seems to me that whether you see bisexuality as an attraction or sexual involvement the question remains.


As far as I can tell, all sexualities are not always changing. That is a bisexual feature. Most people who are hetero do not change. They are not fluid in their sexuality or tend not to proclaim this. The same seems to be true for gay people. It is those of us living in the in between that change. Those that thought that they were one form of monosexualism that do suddenly find themselves changing should be seen under the bisexual term.


I see your point on empirical evidence. If you want emperical evidence then we probably need to include sexual acts as a determinate feature of determining sexuality. In fact some studies do use this feature when questioning sexuality and bisexuality. I personally have participated in two bisexual studies where the survey questions addressed sexual activity as well as self identifying. I am aware of other studies that involved these two points. Bisexuals know that sexual activity is not necessarily what is going on in the brain though.


Asking who cares and perhaps why should we care? I suspect that there are socio political reasons why we should care and that bisexuals should care. Studies indicating bisexuality being the largest segment of non heteros and how and what services are provided to bisexuals are socio political issues. If sexual political groups use the fluidity statement to support not giving appropriate funds to bisexual studies or services such as health services it will do bisexuals more harm than presently we are dealing with.


What prompts this question for me involves certain personal aspects of “me”. Annika, I have read you post your own thoughts of being in a same sex relationship and the labelling aspects that have bothered you. Are you gay because you are in a same sex relationship? No. Should you care whether people see you as lesbian or bisexual. I got from you posts that it does matter. The argument of some that bisexuals are really just gay in transition is supported by those who proclaim that they were once bisexual but are now gay. Those are some reasons why care. I think that sexual practice and sexual orientation are a bit messy. The it doesn’t matter just be happy is wishy washy short sightedness.


It should also be noted that you questions are taking the thread off into territories not part of the thread. Now, “certain” posters may begin their usual deviation from the issue...perhaps... Let me restate the central point of the thread.

Can a bisexual "become" Gay or were they really always Gay?

[darkeyes]

Can a bisexual "become" Gay or were they really always Gay?
Yes they can become..or are u saying I was never bisexual? Or even that I'm not gay? Ummm tenni ear? Cos will giveya really gud argument if u r...:kiss::cutelaugh

[tenni]

Although the polite exchange would be to state you are what you believe yourself to be, I think that socio politically that may be detrimental to bisexuals. In my own situation, I have been in love with both women and men. I am sexually attracted to both but my sexual attraction to men does not fall along the lines of some who post here. (no desire to be penetrated and am very indifferent to cock) I acknowledge myself as bisexual.

Based on what you disclose about yourself I ask you
a/ Have you ever been in love with a man? ...a woman?
b/ Have you ever been sexually attracted to a man?...a woman?

Based upon my own experience and what gay men have told me, if your answer to all four questions is yes, you are bisexual. If you no longer wish to be sexual with a man, does not make you gay/lesbian necessarily. If you reject your physical and emotional past self (love my wife but I'm not in love etc), then you always were gay and came to acknowledge.

If you are some other form of self, explain..not argue. I know that you have explained in the past, but there seemed to be a piece that I could not integrate. Did you love your ex husband as much as you now love Kate? I believe that we can fall out of love with a person, but we still loved that person regardless of their gender....then bisexual you are. To deny past loves/ attractions and state that you are gay now....is to deny the possibility of self. This is just my perspective ...& covering my arse not to deny yourself perception but I do wonder if you co exist with your past and present self.

[darkeyes]

I loved, and love my ex-husband dearly. I wanted, needed him as I have no other man. I wanted his love, his body, his being.., to fuck him, to be fucked by him often an hard. I loved the acts of intimacy an of raunchy sex. I wanted them an I wanted him desperately. As to being in love with him that is an altogether different thing. I thought I was, and maybe it was true. It felt like it at the time, but time passes an we look back an think, maybe not.. but time colours our perception and we question why what happened, happened and what was truly in our heart an our minds..I may have fallen out of love with him, but have never stopped loving him. I have been in love for certain twice, possibly a third time if we take Brian out of the equation.. each time was a girl or woman. Kate more than any although even there for a time there was doubt, not about my being in love with her, but whether it was more than for another.... I have loved many other women, as I have men either as friend or as lover. I pursued and enjoyed sex with a passion and for a long time it mattered not to me whether the person I shared a bed with or screwed fervently on couch, kitchen table, in car, field, park, bushes or graveyard was man or woman. I was physically attracted to and mentally desiring of both an had a gay ole time (forgive the pun) satisfying my desires.

Time moved on,, I have no sexual attraction to the opposite gender whatsoever.. I have no desire to fuck, suck or fall in love... I can and do love many men, but my interest in them is not as for instance as that of a str8 or bisexual woman.. I love them an care because I like men.. I have no wish to have 1 haul me off and screw me.. we do not have to love or to fall in love to be bisexual.. but we do have in some way require some form of sexual attraction to people of both genders whether or not we indulge in fucking them.. I love some men.. but I have no sexual attraction for them whatsoever... I love some women and have none for them, but with some women I do love and many I don't, or indeed dont even know, I have much sexual attraction.. once I had similar feelings for both women and men, never quite equally, but often as strongly and often had sex with either or both (sometimes at the same time may I say).. it was as joyous to me then as breathing or watching and listening to our children laugh now. Now my sexual attraction is for those of my own gender alone and since the day I accepted my sexuality has changed it has become ever more so. Who I love now, or with whom I may have been in love in the past has little or no bearing...

..it is nothing to do with wishing or not to be sexual with a man, tenni... I have no desire whatsoever to be.. once I did and gloried in it.. but no longer... I have not rejected my past physical or mental self... I have left it behind.. not through choice for I did not choose.. but because of who and what I am, what I want, the whom's I wanted changed and my wishes had bugger all to do with anything.. it was an organic process of which I was not aware for some years and had no control over... indeed when it was first pointed out to me by a guy on this site as it happens(the frantabulous and luffly allbimyself), I denied the change and fought it tooth and nail... but in time I recognised he was right, and others too, who were telling me the same thing... so just what was I in the past,tenni? What am I now?

[SlimDandy]

As males get older, their sexual prowess, turgor, and virility declines. If they have ever been the recipient within an anal sex tryst, and they derived pleasure from it, the tendency to repeat that more passive sexual activity will most likely increase with age. The only problem with that, is the fact that frequent expansion of the sphincter muscle will most inevitably decrease its ability to contract when impeded upon by bowel pressure. This condition will facilitate incontinence or the inability to contain or control fecal movement. Also, it has been observed that the incidence of anal cancer is more prevalent amongst those who engage in frequent anal intercourse.

As older males gravitate towards a more passive role in sex, the more they tend to enjoy sex with other males. Therefore, the bisexual male, who was once the object of sexual pleasure on the part of both men and women, now becomes the passive sex object of other males, exclusively.

[Gearbox]

Slim Dandy, I can personaly vouch for the elasticity of mature males anal regions being just as good as younger ones, in general. I've had more probs getting into younger chuffs in fact. Not sure about the 'passive with time' bit. It's not so for me (yet?), but I hope it is true for most.lol

[darkeyes]

Slim Dandy, I can personaly vouch for the elasticity of mature males anal regions being just as good as younger ones, in general. I've had more probs getting into younger chuffs in fact. Not sure about the 'passive with time' bit. It's not so for me (yet?), but I hope it is true for most.lolCan't say owt 'bout older or younger guys an' their "chuffs", Gear babes... (God.. do guys still use that word? Showin' ya age now, babes:cutelaugh!!!!!.. or is it that I've just lived a sheltered life???)..elasticity of chuff is something about which I am pleasantly an ver gladly ignorant tyvm... but trust me.. having dallied on occasion with an older guy or 2 in me proper tarty days.. don't remember them being 2 passive either... if Slim Dandy means submissive.. I am submissive.. but hardly passive... are older men different? Not that I recall... occasionally a little oomph has got up and gone, but they wer hardly wot I'd consider passive:eek2:...

[tenni]

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darkeyes
I have thought about what you have written. If you wish to identify as lesbian, that is certainly your choice. You write about having loved your ex husband and still do. You have written about no longer desiring sex with men.


I think that your experience is different from the gay men that I spoke with. They stated that they always found something missing when they were with their wives(those that had married and now identify as gay). I certainly didn’t do a scientific survey but it was sufficient for me to say ...no that is not me. In your case, the fact that you loved men and enjoyed sex with menin the past is not enough for you to identify as bisexual. Yet, you can not firmly state that you may not change again one day. One day, you may regain your desire for sex with men and love a man sexually again.

This is what another man wrote (not on here but another time) that touches upon a difference.

“I may end up with only guys after that. It's a possibility that I have to accept. Does that invalidate all the years I spent with her, the emotions, the incredibly passionate time we've had, all of the amazing sex? NO!!! HOW COULD IT?!?!?! It happened, I loved it, how can anyone say to me that it doesn't count”


Men may define their bisexuality different than you. For us, our masculine identity may be more ingrained in to our sexual identity. It may or may not be a deeper separation for us to redefine ourselves. For me, I know that I have loved several women. I too can not deny my passion that I had with them. I am still sexually intrigued when I see certain women. Yet, I do not wish to have a relationship with another woman. I can not deny that I may fall for a woman again though. I know that I am capable of sexual/emotional attraction to both genders despite my sexual practices presently. You, on the other hand, deny the possibility such sexual emotional attraction or desire may happen again to you for men by identifying as lesbian?

[darkeyes]

post 36

darkeyes
I have thought about what you have written. If you wish to identify as lesbian, that is certainly your choice. You write about having loved your ex husband and still do. You have written about no longer desiring sex with men.


I think that your experience is different from the gay men that I spoke with. They stated that they always found something missing when they were with their wives(those that had married and now identify as gay). I certainly didn’t do a scientific survey but it was sufficient for me to say ...no that is not me. In your case, the fact that you loved men and enjoyed sex with menin the past is not enough for you to identify as bisexual. Yet, you can not firmly state that you may not change again one day. One day, you may regain your desire for sex with men and love a man sexually again.

This is what another man wrote (not on here but another time) that touches upon a difference.

“I may end up with only guys after that. It's a possibility that I have to accept. Does that invalidate all the years I spent with her, the emotions, the incredibly passionate time we've had, all of the amazing sex? NO!!! HOW COULD IT?!?!?! It happened, I loved it, how can anyone say to me that it doesn't count”


Men may define their bisexuality different than you. For us, our masculine identity may be more ingrained in to our sexual identity. It may or may not be a deeper separation for us to redefine ourselves. For me, I know that I have loved several women. I too can not deny my passion that I had with them. I am still sexually intrigued when I see certain women. Yet, I do not wish to have a relationship with another woman. I can not deny that I may fall for a woman again though. I know that I am capable of sexual/emotional attraction to both genders despite my sexual practices presently. You, on the other hand, deny the possibility such sexual emotional attraction or desire may happen again to you for men by identifying as lesbian? I have never said that some day my sexuality would never move into reverse.. I have said that since I became sexually aware, it is been an inexorable move toward an ever increasing attraction to my own gender and an ever lessening sexual attraction to yours... that is not the same thing at all. No one can say how they will be in days to come... I don't expect that my sexuality will move into reverse, but it is something no one can foretell.. I don't expect it because of the way it has moved towards lesbianism.. and has become ever more entrenched into it.. my sexuality never had the fluidity of many...year on year, the attraction for my own gender became stronger and more determined.. yes, even during the time of my marriage... if anything especially so in many ways... any fluctuation that occurred was minor indeed and didn't really interrupt the flow which moved me towards finally recognising and accepting my lesbianism.

The fact I retain a great deal of love and affection for my ex-husband is just that... affection and love for one of the nicest men I know.. attraction, at least sexual attraction, faded away with time and died as my sexuality continued that inexorable move to what I am now.. is it not possible to love one we no longer have a sexual attraction for? Brian is an attractive man... an attractive human being.. I still love him... only 2 men have I loved more... and another comes close... but family doesn't count does it? I no longer fancy him.. is that so hard to understand? I get the impression u simply are not prepared to accept what I know to be the truth.. and that u consider me in denial... nothing could be farther from the truth.. I too am capable of emotional interaction and even attraction with the opposite gender.. it may not be the kind of emotional attraction that men want or desire of me, but it exists...many lesbians have it u know.. but sexual attraction plays no part.. the want or need.. the desire to fuck with them... I have emotional interaction and attraction to people of both genders but it is only amongst my own that sexual attraction can come into play to add to that emotional spark...,.. and then only with some.. not all. It is only with my own gender that sexual attraction exists and it is only with my own gender that I feel the need or desire to fuck,​ and only with my own gender is emotional and sexual attraction ever in tandem... but not always.. often it is just good ole fashioned animal lust!!!

Ahhh... but the lady doth protest too much do I hear u say?? No hun.. the lady does not.. the lady is merely trying to explain as simply and as firmly as she can why she is what she is and not what u seem to be trying to make her accept she is... bit like me casting doubt on u and others being bisexual by not accepting bisexuality... seems to me u r not accepting of the fact that some bisexuals may actually become no longer bisexual... or maybe that such people never were..

Funny ole thing sexuality.. no 2 people have it quite the same. I identify as lesbian because it is what I am...

[ExSailor]

You either are bisexual or you are not and are some other sexual orientation. In the case of darkeyes she is a lesbian that was unsure or in denial of her actual sexuality and just because she was married to a man or did have sex with a man that does not make her bisexual but simply a lesbian who was at the time in denial, ashamed, or confused about her sexuality. Just because she wishes she was bisexual or wants to pretend she somehow was when she is not and never has been, nor will be does not make it true. She's just a lesbian who was confused, unsure, in denial, or maybe even closeted about being lesbian at the time. What she is describing about herself is very common among lesbians.

[darkeyes]

It's ok, Popeye, I'm not particularly offended by what u say.. it's bollox of course, but it's a view ur perfectly entitled to hold... an extremely arrogant view; a dismissive view of one who claims to know better what is in the mind and heart of another than the other does her or himself... rather similar to the arrogant view which gets up the noses of so many bisexuals when some gays and lesbians tell them that their sexuality isn't real and is a denial of homosexuality because their claimed sexuality doesn't exist as a human condition...:)

[Gearbox]

Confused? How do any of us know that we're not in denial? We could all be heterosexuals, and all these variouse other sexualities ficticious|- The symptoms of denial making us all believe that 'X' is sexy, 'Y' in't and to fall in love with 'Z'. When in 'FACT' it's all a mirage.How do we know we can trust our sexual feelings at any given time. What makes them 'real' and not 'imagined'. And more on topic - what makes the 'imagined' 'unreal'?As far as I can tell, 'real' is what is in the mind as far as sex & love is concerned, whether it is the symptom of a denial of another thing, or not. The 'symptom' is more 'real' than the denied innactive sexual/emotional stimuli,lolC'mon! Lets face it! It would make more sense if we are all hetro's in denial. Yu knows it don't yu?

[tenni]

“that u consider me in denial”
No, I do not consider you in denial at all. I am trying to understand.


“I no longer fancy him.. is that so hard to understand?”
I think that I understand. I love some of my past loves in a different way than I originally loved them..both women and men. Some I still fancy but know it is not our time anymore. Some I don’t fancy.


“it may not be the kind of emotional attraction that men want or desire of me, but it exists...many lesbians have it u know.”
Is this the same statement that gay men made to me about their loving their wives but not in love with their ex wives?


“I have emotional interaction and attraction to people of both genders but it is only amongst my own that sexual attraction can come into play to add to that emotional spark.”
Is this then what distinguishes bisexuals from monosexuals..or at least some of us? Some of us have no emotional connection to same gender while some have emotional attraction/sexual attraction to both genders...


“it is been an inexorable move toward an ever increasing attraction to my own gender and an ever lessening sexual attraction to yours”

I think that this statement explains it best to me except you consider yourself having been a bisexual. I think from what you have written graciously is that you grew into your lesbian sexuality just as some grow into their bisexuality later in life.

I think by saying that you grew in to your lesbianism does bisexuals no harm. It gives no weapons to those who state that bisexuals are in denial and we all will eventually grow into homosexuality. Do you see our connection? I know that you mean no harm to those of us who are bisexual. It certainly isn't you to harm.

[darkeyes]

[QUOTE=tenni;246848]“that u consider me in denial”
No, I do not consider you in denial at all. I am trying to understand.

Ty tenni, dear:)...


“I no longer fancy him.. is that so hard to understand?”
I think that I understand. I love some of my past loves in a different way than I originally loved them..both women and men. Some I still fancy but know it is not our time anymore. Some I don’t fancy.

I am the same.. except in the case of men, it is a wholesale lack of fancy for the entire gender...


“it may not be the kind of emotional attraction that men want or desire of me, but it exists...many lesbians have it u know.”
Is this the same statement that gay men made to me about their loving their wives but not in love with their ex wives?

It could be but at least as much because we often invest much time in friendship because we like and care for another and are rather glad he or she is in our life...we have emotional attachments to relatives and love some of them, but no attraction - or at least not sexual attraction.. think of it like that... the love and non sexual emotional attachment of one human being to another because they get along and enjoy each others company... and seek it out very often...


“I have emotional interaction and attraction to people of both genders but it is only amongst my own that sexual attraction can come into play to add to that emotional spark.”
Is this then what distinguishes bisexuals from monosexuals..or at least some of us? Some of us have no emotional connection to same gender while some have emotional attraction/sexual attraction to both genders...

For some.. but often as I said the attraction can be no more than animal lust... not everyone is capable of either... in me own case I am, but during the act of sex for one with whom I have no emotional attachment, I could not say that no emotional feeling was present because it was... even when sex was crap... irritation and frustration an piss offedness at a poor lover is a form of emotion... emotion existed of one kind or t'otha... as is the closeness and feeling.. passion if u like.. for any partner should the sex be brill.. however fleeting... other peeps are different.. other peeps seem to feel that the getting off is enuff... I have never been able to just "get off"...


"I think that this statement explains it best to me except you consider yourself having been a bisexual. I think from what you have written graciously is that you grew into your lesbian sexuality just as some grow into their bisexuality later in life."

I evolved into my present state of sexual being.. it was more than grow into it because at one time I was not as I am now... it was a change.. a sea change which took time, but it happened...

"I think by saying that you grew in to your lesbianism does bisexuals no harm. It gives no weapons to those who state that bisexuals are in denial and we all will eventually grow into homosexuality. Do you see our connection? I know that you mean no harm to those of us who are bisexual. It certainly isn't you to harm. "

We are all hostages to fortune whenever we utter a word, tenni, as I am fond of saying... but I mean nothing but good for all people, bisexuals included.. overwhelmingly I like them and have always liked them.. even if they can be a mucky bunch of ratbags at times:cutelaugh.. I have never thought that bisexuals are all really closet gays or lesbians... some are.. some are not.. most are not... we are who we are; what we are... and we are all different. Even allowing for the fact that my own sexuality evolved into lesbianism, I don't think andhave never thought that to be inevitable for everyone.. indeed.. for most I don't think it is.. some will move through the gambit of the sexualities.. some will change from one to another.. others will always be what they are.. mine just changed for whatever reason, from one to another... it happens... wish bisexuals harm? Perish the thought, sweetums:impleased..

[chapsmccall]

i totally agree with .why the hell do people have to put labels on their sexuality when its no ones business but their own. i love a cock in my butt sure..... but i also love to slide my cock into my gf pussy im not homo bi strait im a human that enjoys life.

[BJHouston]

You either are bisexual or you are not and are some other sexual orientation. In the case of darkeyes she is a lesbian that was unsure or in denial of her actual sexuality and just because she was married to a man or did have sex with a man that does not make her bisexual but simply a lesbian who was at the time in denial, ashamed, or confused about her sexuality. Just because she wishes she was bisexual or wants to pretend she somehow was when she is not and never has been, nor will be does not make it true. She's just a lesbian who was confused, unsure, in denial, or maybe even closeted about being lesbian at the time. What she is describing about herself is very common among lesbians. Very true, a lot of lesbians like Darkeyes have been once married to men or had boyfriends before they accepted that they are lesbian. My lesbian friends who were once married said how they knew they were lesbian yet married men anyway to appease their family, because like Darkeyes they thought they "should", to please society, and they did not want to be lesbian at the time. A person can claim that they "became" gay when they previously identified as bisexual; but in reality they were never bisexual to begin with if they actually are gay or lesbian and then later come out as gay/lesbian since they are not bi.

[darkeyes]

Very true, a lot of lesbians like Darkeyes have been once married to men or had boyfriends before they accepted that they are lesbian. My lesbian friends who were once married said how they knew they were lesbian yet married men anyway to appease their family, because like Darkeyes they thought they "should", to please society, and they did not want to be lesbian at the time. A person can claim that they "became" gay when they previously identified as bisexual; but in reality they were never bisexual to begin with if they actually are gay or lesbian and then later come out as gay/lesbian since they are not bi.
Uhuh.. u sound to me the equivalent of the gay who thinks they know better than the bisexual person what is in their own mind. I never had the slightest pressure from my parents to marry.. I lived as my parents raised me to be.. myself.. from the age of 14 my parents knew, accepted and approved of the fact that I was attracted to people of both genders.. both bfs and gfs were welcomed into their home and I had a ball with both guys and girls and it just so happened I met and loved a very nice guy... that it didn't work out was life.. that I had an affair and left for another girl was life....it could so easily have been a guy but it wasn't... that lesbianism was creeping up and overtook my bisexuality was life.. my life, not anyone elses. Everyone's sexuality is different and develops differently.

..the fucking arrogance of it... telling me what I was not... there were only 2 people I sought to please when I married my husband.. I did not and do not give a fig for what society thinks of me or my sexuality except that I want it to accept whatever that sexuality may be and allow me to live my life as I am with the same rights and obligations as any heterosexual person,.. and accept that heterosexuality is not the only sexuality. I have not and do not presume to know what is in ur heart or mind so would appreciate you pulling ur head out of ur arse and stop presuming to know what was once in mine...

[TNMike]

..the fucking arrogance of it... telling me what I was not... there were only 2 people I sought to please when I married my husband.. I did not and do not give a fig for what society thinks of me or my sexuality except that I want it to accept whatever that sexuality may be and allow me to live my life as I am with the same rights and obligations as any heterosexual person,.. and accept that heterosexuality is not the only sexuality. I have not and do not presume to know what is in ur heart or mind so would appreciate you pulling ur head out of ur arse and stop presuming to know what was once in mine...

Society needs people to fit in a fairly constrained number of easily identifiable boxes, some labeled for approval and some labeled for disapproval. This does not just apply to sexuality but also religion, body type, what types of tv you watch, how you hang your toilet paper, etc., etc. We will continue to make each other miserable over issues ad infinitum until the day finally comes that we all realize that we need as many boxes as there are people, and that unless you're hurting someone else, we all get to define our box regardless of how anyone else defines their's.

[Gearbox]

Psychological warefare is a time honoured traddition/affliction to us Human centres of the cosmos.YAY! We know we're not really the 1&only blueprint 'God' has, but we just like to think so coz that's how we roll.lolI had a lovely convo ih bed this morning with a gay bloke I've been meeting a lot lately. He said how there's no such thing as bisexuality and monogamy is the righteous position over sexual 'non commitment'. War broke out!LOL (in a nice psycho civilised way). He addmitted that he'd be attracted to 'the right' woman, but not that he should come out as bi. He addmited that theres nothing rightouse about denying a loved one their freedom, but not that monog isn't rightouse.lol We'll both hold our views despite what the other thinks coz being Human we like to put things in order. When we are comfy with that 'filing system' we fight tooth & nail to keep it in place. That goes for everything, as have been said already. It's that stubourness to accocodate 'sub-systems' that keep us ignorant IMO. Such as Fran being bi, then being lesbian. It's a fact! Update your sysyems or just accept that you maybe faulty just like Windows Vista!lol

[Diana_TS]

No you are either bi or gay. I am one that refused to admit I was gay, played it straight for many years. But always knew in my mind that something was wrong because I liked looking at women, but sexually they just didn't do it for me. I had sexual relations with women, but I always had to use my mind to excite myself. In my generation you just were not accepted in society if you were not a masculine man always chasing women. I played that game for a long time. I always got turned on in a men's bathroom when standing next to a man at the urinals, at the beach I found myself looking at the mens crotches as much or moreso then at the women. I decided I was bi and would just ignore those urges. Well you can only hide your true sexuality for so long, so I finally had to admit I was gay and not bi. After a few experiences with men, I was convinced I was gay and accepted it and now am a much happier person.

[Steve Tracy]

In my eyes, only if that is what he really wants. Each person is different, it is all based on emotion and feelings the individual is going through at the time.

[chook]

Lets see now :rolleyes: The question is "Can Bi become Gay" WEll I dont know what the fuss is all about............because you're already half way there. :impleased
Cheers Chook :yikes2:

[tommyswing]

I have found it ebbs and flows. I didn't really get into men till my late thirty's. When I finally started I was cock crazy, I just loved giving head, and loved the feeling of penertration. For awhile I could have been classified as mostly gay. About five years ago my interest in men began to wane, for no particular reason, I began to find it boring. I never experienced falling in love with a man, there where some I was highly attracted to I was not in love. I've been in love with many women through the years. I still have the desire to have a man inside of me and to suck a nice cock, but the need to is not as intense. I mainly deal with my desire with men by jerking off, but who knows that could change.

[switchitter2]

We are all bisexual here..with tendencies towards one sex or the other..I was born loving cocks, seeing grownup dicks in beach bathouses for the first time I "knew" I was que#r(and so glad of it too).that sexy, dangling gristle of the male prick, excited me so and when men let me eventually "play" with them I was hooked on dick... and yet got married/divorced and then went back to my first love..THE COCK!..Don`t worry about labels..they are for cans and bottles..enjoy what you like to do in bed and don`t worry as to if you`ve crossed the line on being gay or not..just have fun, that`s why we are here at this great site..thanks so much Drew ...:tongue:

[Mr. Suck]

We are all bisexual here..with tendencies towards one sex or the other..I was born loving cocks, seeing grownup dicks in beach bathouses for the first time I "knew" I was que#r(and so glad of it too).that sexy, dangling gristle of the male prick, excited me so and when men let me eventually "play" with them I was hooked on dick... and yet got married/divorced and then went back to my first love..THE COCK!..Don`t worry about labels..they are for cans and bottles..enjoy what you like to do in bed and don`t worry as to if you`ve crossed the line on being gay or not..just have fun, that`s why we are here at this great site..thanks so much Drew ...:tongue: Not everyone on this site is bisexual as there are some gay men and lesbian women who post here, and heterosexual women and men as well. Also not everyone that's human is bisexual since most people are heterosexual and it's possible to be gay/lesbian and not sexually attracted to the opposite gender at all. I've noticed that the "no labels" crowd, by shunning simple terms for sexual orientation are still using a label/term for their sexual orientation.

[darkeyes]

As I have said b4 elsewhere, Davie boy.. u are a very black and white person... and not so knowledgeable on reality for u simply do not accept the complexity of human beings... people change as they go through life.. some things remain quite constant but any aspect of who we are can change.. for why? No one is quite certain but it happens...

[CamStar94]

I would argue no. Of course, I do personally know some people who subscribe to this theory due to the fact that some gay men and women initially out themselves as bisexual because they are afraid to admit their lack of attraction to the opposite sex. And of course, it doesn't help when the majority of society is completely heterosexual. One of the hardest things for be with being a bisexual is people who accuse me of being gay just due to the fact that I can be aroused by penis - but they also forget that they're not me, and I know that I like both men and women. Like most bisexuals, my arousal varies depending on my mood or situation; but if I grew up having great relationships with women for years while my curiosity for male experimentation also continued to remain, then I find it highly unlikely I'm just going to wake up straight or gay one random morning. This is my two cents when considering my previous and current experiences.

[libra1984]

Its not yet guaranteed but I have always claiming to be bi curriouse, well a short time ago i saw a homosexual and i did what seemed best, got on my knees... the best feeling ive ever had came over me, the dick was small and i told him to stop fucking me (his cum was way nasty) but from that point on Ive been able to have sex with women but the enjoyment isnt there like it used to be, lol now all i want is a damn cock in my mouth, followed by the jizz and hopefully my ass hole will get a protein shot as well

[csreef]

The thing that I absolutely HATE, is when I'm talking to someone who is Gay, and when I tell them that I'm Bisexual, first they give me a look of disgust, then, they say " You are really gay, but you don't know it, or, you are just denying your gayness...

Screw you Tinkerbell...Or madam Dyke . . .I like what I like and, who are you to judge me !

[cuttin2dachase]

This is my opinion and it's how I personally define and delineate the line between bisexual and gay. I believe that if a person desires to love and be in loving relationships with his/her same gender ONLY, then he or she is gay or lesbian. Sex is important, but is secondary and an extension of his/her love of a man/woman. It's the same way with heterosexual people desiring love, relationships and sex with his/her opposite gender ONLY. When it comes to bisexual people, they may love and want love/relationships/sex with either gender or with both genders. Or bisexuals may prefer love/relationships with one gender, but desire sex with both genders. Or they might not want love or serious relationships with either gender, just sex with either gender.

[spemat]

If anything, in my case as a bisexual man, I am only romantically into women. I did have a boyfriend that I fell for once but I can't seem to get it back. I have a girlfriend and I have only ever been with other bisexual people so I am not really too worried about the stunt you just attempted.

[Coastocoast]

Yes any preference can change.

[InkDoc]

This is an interesting question with no easy, one-fits-all answer. And the discussion here reveals the interesting paths we've taken to figure out and become comfortable with our sexuality. I'm an older guy who resumed m2m play a few years back after a long, hetero-only hiatus. I was always interested in men, but was having great success (no brag, just fact) with women and still find them fascinating and fuckable. Laziness and fear kept me from acting on my attraction to men -- and I think that's pretty common for aging boomers like myself. Since resuming m2m play, I've run into gay guys who want to insist all bi's are in denial -- some even go so far to say we're cowards and want to stuff folks into the rigid (no pun) gay/hetero categories that seem just as oppressive as the damnation of gays that is still rampant in our society. Enough preaching. The first thought that popped into my mind when reading the questions above is that I find m2m sex not only hot, but much easier and with less drama baggage. And, in truth, I'm at the age where women tend to look right past me whereas I'm still found to be an attractive bear daddy by men. I could easily find myself slipping into m2m-only sex, but would that make me gay? Doubt it.

[cuttin2dachase]

I'm bisexual, but very much enjoy feeling gay and acting gay with other masculine or feminine bi or gay men. It's like a switch I can turn on when I go to bed with a man and then turn off after we've played casually or made passionate love. It is so very exciting to me to be secretly bi and only out to my bi or gay partners and lovers. I too have had gay men try to convince me that I am gay and then want to hear me admit it. I found the best response was to tell gay men that I am gay when I'm with men but that I'm not gay when I'm with women unless it's in a bisexual 3some LOL.