In the middle of the Pacific 2000 km from any other coast

[tenni]

This is of our time. We can ignore it because it is less visible where we actually live. Should we ignore it?

It is a harsh lesson that we have not yet learned. This is very sad and tragic.

What should or can we do?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai3IKO_afqs

[elian]

It is sad and disgusting the way we have abused our common Earth, sort of like pissing in the same place where you sleep. Manifest Destiny has caused a LOT of heartache over the years for all. Everyone only looks at the short term.

When I despair I remember that nothing in this world is permanent - sooner or later it ALL passes away. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to leave the world a little better than we found it. In a strange sort of paradoxical way I lament that more people have their mind stuck "online" than ever now.

I blame the Sony Walkman, that was the *first* time that you could actually purchase your own "personal" space and be able to tune everything else out. Even with the transistor radio before it you were almost always sharing the radio with your friends in a public environment.

We should strive to abide by the words of the great spirit prayer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dkP_vWEXHo

Do what you can tenni, I cannot stop the entire world from polluting the ocean but I have been supplying the local animal shelter with a few bags of cat litter every week for a month now. There are so many beautiful animals there - today I actually got to see some lovely dogs going for a walk trying to be friendly. Our domesticated animals love us very much and they are indeed special. Wild animals are beautiful in their own right.

I think more people should unplug and go outside at least once a week just to walk in nature - that might be a start.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

It happens all over the world, Hon, to all species of animals. Its heart breaking what humans are doing to our world, but there's little we can do about human stupidity. :( The animals dont know to not eat things they see laying around all over; all they know is it looks like food for them and their babies.
Just makes me sick. :( I applaud your thoughts on this. :}
Cat

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Yes, E-honey. People nowdays forget the beauty of nature and the serenity of wild things. They have been conditioned to tune out living things and places, dazed and Zombied by their technology. They dont understand that you have to visit Mother Nature's house now and then to get your head on right again, nor do they know the peace of mind that some of us enjoy and embrace. Their terrible loss. How many people do you, or Tenni, know that has had the joy of seeing an Eagle in flight, or have seen a majestic Elk striding across a field? Seen Salmon swimming upstream to their hatching grounds? How many have had a Hummingbird brush against your face, or feed out of a cup of sugar- water held in calm, quiet, steady hands in the Spring?
Not many I'll wager.
More's the pity for those who dont hold this peace and serenity in their hearts and minds.......Those of us who have, are rich indeed, for we have tasted freedom and great beauty given to us by The Creator. :}
Cat

[is this it]

I am taking that this was from Midway Island, land not touched by the famous battle for Midway? In real time, it doesn't matter, and yes, this is tragic. Not only that, any nation that uses this island for transport for military convoy, should put in for cleaning up, and damn making sure that this kind of shit isn't happening. The Albatross shown here became a major problem for U.S. aircraft during the second world war, and a nickname for the birds unbirdly way of landing, but which, made its way into our known species of birds. Again, this is an atoll that is used widely by nations and all should be involved in the surety of making it a place of population safe for these animals.

[is this it]

Yes, E-honey. People nowdays forget the beauty of nature and the serenity of wild things. They have been conditioned to tune out living things and places, dazed and Zombied by their technology. They dont understand that you have to visit Mother Nature's house now and then to get your head on right again, nor do they know the peace of mind that some of us enjoy and embrace. Their terrible loss. How many people do you, or Tenni, know that has had the joy of seeing an Eagle in flight, or have seen a majestic Elk striding across a field? Seen Salmon swimming upstream to their hatching grounds? How many have had a Hummingbird brush against your face, or feed out of a cup of sugar- water held in calm, quiet, steady hands in the Spring?
Not many I'll wager.
More's the pity for those who dont hold this peace and serenity in their hearts and minds.......Those of us who have, are rich indeed, for we have tasted freedom and great beauty given to us by The Creator. :}
Cat

Whatever you're smoking, pass me some. Yeesh.

[is this it]

Well, elian; since us dirty white European bastards came here, and I assume you're one of us, we stopped the "natives" from poisoning the water ways of the hated tribe down stream, with the carcass of a dead elk. Get a grip on reality.

[zigzig]

I think that's why pagan religions were smarter, because they praised Mother Nature. Native Americans believed that they can only take from nature what they need not extra wood, animal meat for pleasure etc. Maybe that's why all the natural disasters are happening, because Mother Nature wants to get rid of ,,extra human population''(just a theory though).

[elian]

Well, elian; since us dirty white European bastards came here, and I assume you're one of us, we stopped the "natives" from poisoning the water ways of the hated tribe down stream, with the carcass of a dead elk. Get a grip on reality.

I never said that I had clean hands, every time I put a bag of trash out on the curb I know that. Every time someone looks at me asking for leadership instead of the woman next to me I know that.

Even if the native people were humans being human I find it hard to believe that any one native tribe then could have poisoned the Earth the way we have now for decades on a systematic and on-going basis. More importantly, I don't know that any of them could have ignored nature the way we do now - WE have air conditioning .. I got a chance to visit LA, the climate was great, most of the people were friendly but they also seem oblivious to just what it takes to put a city in the middle of the desert like that. The Middle East is rapidly running out of fresh water because each nation is consuming what it wants without regard for anything else, including its own people.

We have technology that can help fix some of the problems but everyone whines about how it is too EXPENSIVE, it cuts into their profits too much..it doesn't help their bottom line.

I'm not sure there is anything to be done about human nature, at least not while we sit around in despair with ego and greed as our ultimate bottom line motivation. I'm not asking for miracles, but my personal philosophy is try in some way to leave the world a little better than the way you found it. Even a boy scout knows that.

I'm not really worried about the Earth, ultimately it will clean itself, it may take hundreds of years after we're gone but it will clean itself. In our short lifetime, the lessons about just what we value are for us to learn.

[elian]

is this it - why so angry with us?

You are a loved and worthy part of creation just as much as any other.

[darkeyes]

Well, elian; since us dirty white European bastards came here, and I assume you're one of us, we stopped the "natives" from poisoning the water ways of the hated tribe down stream, with the carcass of a dead elk. Get a grip on reality.
..as often as anything because nice Europeans wiped out the nasty tribe up stream.. prob the nice 1 down stream 2... and a normally healthy stream cleans itself in quite a short distance hun.. it would have to be a helluva a lot of dead elks to do what u suggest.. and we nice Europeans poison rivers and steams in infinitely nastier and more lethal ways than chucking in a dead elk...