Question.... this has been bugging me so actual thoughtful answers would be good.

[DuckiesDarling]

Why is it okay for a woman to grab hubby's shirt and answer door and be seen as sexy but if they guy grabs the wife's bathrobe he's seen as a freak or it's used for comedy in movies?


Shouldn't matter, so many clothing brands are unisex right now. But for some reason it does to some people. I'm not even talking about the secret thrill of guys wearing women's underwear (fyi they are more comfortable given the fabrics involved and prettier to boot) but why is it seen as "taboo" in society?

I remember watching a show called "Packed to the Rafters", an elderly man's wife had died and so to feel closer to her he dressed in her dreses when he was home. Neighbors showed concern so he blatantly wore them out on the street, surrounded by his family who supported him, and neighbors understood.

Yet, if something like that happend in most neighborhoods, people would be quick to dial 911 and report the "crazy person" in need of psychiatric help.

So why do you think there is such a stigma attached to cross dressing males that isn't attached to cross dressing females?

Again, serious replies would be welcome.

[void()]

I think possibly due to ingrained perception of men equating to the stronger gender. Why the perception exists is out of my knowing. Not saying it is a correct perception, or the only one. Good question.

[falcondfw]

Indeed, a good question. I never really thought about it, but I suspect void is right. Just gender stereotypes is the reason.

[darkeyes]

Truth? Guys look dorkie in women's kit.. women dont (in some) men's.. actually do have a few men's shirts for sleeping in... as does Kate... ver comfy and we do look cute in 'em an all:bigrin:...now that may be our upbringing and how society treats men dressing cross... some female x dressers also look dorkie if I may say but not quite so bad... but from me own point view there is much 2 giggle about in a man dressing in 'is wife's nightie or robe.,,

I know u asked for serious Darlin darlin', but only time I ever saw me dad naked was the time he was putting the bin out dressed in me mum's robe and as he walked away it got snagged on a bush:eek2:... me sista, bruvva and I were in hysterics as he walked on and the goonie stayed wer it wos:yikes2:... poor ole bugger's face went quite scarlet and he ran faster into house than I ever saw him move in me life:tongue:... now don't ask me why he had on mum's robe:confused:... but do have a gud idea;)... dirty ole bugger.. :impleased

[bityme]

It is amazing how frail the heterosexual male ego can be. Many men react negatively to anything that might even infer that they are less than a 100% straight male. Their reaction often extends to others who might wear something with even the slightest hint of femininity.

I often wear one of my kilts while riding my motorcycle and have encountered various reactions. The ladies seem to love it. The occasional man who has a negative comment fails to wound my ego (as is normally the intent) because my normal response is: "Wot, yer not man enough to try it!" Of course, when questioned about what I'm wearing underneath it the ladies hear "You'll never know for sure without checking!" and the men get the retort: "I di'n't know you had any interest in me that way, but feel free to check and satisfy yer desires." That usually ends the conversation as everyone else laughs at their reddened face.

Pappy

[falcondfw]

Truth? Guys look dorkie in women's kit.. women dont (in some) men's.. actually do have a few men's shirts for sleeping in... as does Kate... ver comfy and we do look cute in 'em an all:bigrin:...now that may be our upbringing and how society treats men dressing cross... some female x dressers also look dorkie if I may say but not quite so bad... but from me own point view there is much 2 giggle about in a man dressing in 'is wife's nightie or robe.,,

I know u asked for serious Darlin darlin', but only time I ever saw me dad naked was the time he was putting the bin out dressed in me mum's robe and as he walked away it got snagged on a bush:eek2:... me sista, bruvva and I were in hysterics as he walked on and the goonie stayed wer it wos:yikes2:... poor ole bugger's face went quite scarlet and he ran faster into house than I ever saw him move in me life:tongue:... now don't ask me why he had on mum's robe:confused:... but do have a gud idea;)... dirty ole bugger.. :impleased

God Fran!
You are priceless!
I hope Kate gives you a buggering too tonight that you can't walk straight from for 3 weeks. lol.
You dirty lass. lol. Yer own pa. lol.
Kinky minx.

Bity, YOU TOO!!!! Bad boy!

[darkeyes]

God Fran!
You are priceless!
I hope Kate gives you a buggering too tonight that you can't walk straight from for 3 weeks. lol.
You dirty lass. lol. Yer own pa. lol.
Kinky minx.

Bity, YOU TOO!!!! Bad boy!
Buggering, babes is never an option.... an wot 'bout me own pa? Adored 'im.. never fancied 'im in least.. incest wos never an option eitha.. but takin wee outa 'im always wos... just cos 'e is dead doesn't change that.. and the ole fart wudnt expect it 2...:tongue: Did I go on 'bout the nite time racket wich came from 'is an mum's room wen I was sposed 2 b asleep? No... now that mite b kinky.. an dirty.. tee hee:tongue:

[DuckiesDarling]

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[void()]

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*nods, half grins, shrugs*

[tenni]

I have to agree that it is based in our (society's) stereotypes. The concept of "pretty" versus "handsome" plays a part in this dichotomy. We tend to assign "pretty" features with the feminine and "handsome" features with the masculine. What it takes to present "pretty" is quite different than what it takes to present "handsome". Pretty featured facially does not connect with masculine in a man if it goes too far. Similarly, wearing a feminine pretty robe just doesn't work on the male form and concepts of handsome. Look at the concept of handsome as far as facial hair. What was once considered unshaven sloppy has become handsome on a man if kept at the fringe of what might be considered a "beard". A woman with facial hair..nope not handsome...and certainly not "pretty".

The point of a woman in a man's shirt only works as pretty/cute if the shirt is larger than what would fit her normally. Add to that the "power" concept attached to male stereotypes in clothing and slightly too large for her bang...cute...not sure if "pretty" applies but a woman in a man's shirt is cute if it covers her bits and isn't done up all the way to the top button.(little suggestion of cleavage)..lol Put a woman in a properly fitting male business suit with the shirt and tie done all the way up and she looks a bit strange with the small shoulders and bigger uh...arse. Open the shirt at the neck with a loosely fitting tie taylor tuck in the pants to show off her curvy butt; maybe soften the edges of the suit collar, reduce the shoulder angular cut and it just might work as cute..not sure if pretty works. Hell put make up on a woman and do her eyes sexy ya it works as cute. I wonder what Haley Berry looks like in a properly masculine taylored men's business suit? Could she pull it off as sexy pretty? I think that there are photos of her doing that but the tayloring was not masculine lines. The pants are not the same drape as on a typical man's suit pants.

[darkeyes]

More or less tenni babes... thats how it is... few men get away with women's clothing.. sexy dress, shirt skirt blouse..the works.. cos it was not designed for their body shape.. some do..some can.. younger more usually.. but it becomes less successful as they age.. much is our perception as aa result of how we are raised and what society rams down our throat... but not all.. some just is as it is... we look better in our kit..u in urs..

[void()]

I have to agree that it is based in our (society's) stereotypes. The concept of "pretty" versus "handsome" plays a part in this dichotomy. We tend to assign "pretty" features with the feminine and "handsome" features with the masculine. What it takes to present "pretty" is quite different than what it takes to present "handsome". Pretty featured facially does not connect with masculine in a man if it goes too far. Similarly, wearing a feminine pretty robe just doesn't work on the male form and concepts of handsome. Look at the concept of handsome as far as facial hair. What was once considered unshaven sloppy has become handsome on a man if kept at the fringe of what might be considered a "beard". A woman with facial hair..nope not handsome...and certainly not "pretty".

The point of a woman in a man's shirt only works as pretty/cute if the shirt is larger than what would fit her normally. Add to that the "power" concept attached to male stereotypes in clothing and slightly too large for her bang...cute...not sure if "pretty" applies but a woman in a man's shirt is cute if it covers her bits and isn't done up all the way to the top button.(little suggestion of cleavage)..lol Put a woman in a properly fitting male business suit with the shirt and tie done all the way up and she looks a bit strange with the small shoulders and bigger uh...arse. Open the shirt at the neck with a loosely fitting tie taylor tuck in the pants to show off her curvy butt; maybe soften the edges of the suit collar, reduce the shoulder angular cut and it just might work as cute..not sure if pretty works. Hell put make up on a woman and do her eyes sexy ya it works as cute. I wonder what Haley Berry looks like in a properly masculine taylored men's business suit? Could she pull it off as sexy pretty? I think that there are photos of her doing that but the tayloring was not masculine lines. The pants are not the same drape as on a typical man's suit pants.

Thanks for making me feel most under dressed. I normally run around the house and outside presently in no more than cotton shorts, maybe a t-shirt, shoes. Never have found suits attractive no matter the gender wearing them. Usually worked in jeans, t-shirt or nice pull over shirt, maybe some cheap polyester slacks if it was a service job. Wore a suit to marry, it was borrowed, one my brother had gotten handed down from a grandfather. Figure the grandfather only wore it once or twice. He was a farmer. Suit was to get married and buried in, they're too expensive for much else. I want to be cremated, scattered to the four winds. Don't plan on coming back unless I'm told otherwise. Guess I'll stay under dressed.

[void()]

More or less tenni babes... thats how it is... few men get away with women's clothing.. sexy dress, shirt skirt blouse..the works.. cos it was not designed for their body shape.. some do..some can.. younger more usually.. but it becomes less successful as they age.. much is our perception as aa result of how we are raised and what society rams down our throat... but not all.. some just is as it is... we look better in our kit..u in urs..

That's still perception at the core. You like how each gender looks in their assigned garments. It is how you perceive. Who decided men look better in X, women in Y? It's a perception, may be subjective but a perception none the less.

[tenni]

"under dressed"
You are welcome Void (kid'n) Yes, the main North American and European concept of casual baggy as an indication of a less power based form of masculinity exists today. I think that there are lots of men who do not have a suit. I am one of them. I once worked in a profession at a time when suits were worn..and women wore dresses. Sexy jeans are cut different for sexy male and sexy female.

Who decided what looked good on a man and a woman?
Fashion designers pay attention to attitudes and societal values. Feminist (lesbians) began wearing men's pants (in drag?) as a form of cross dressing. I forget but read recently how that crossed over to mainstream...I think that I recall it was dem dar feminisities...lol (waits and braces for a smack from darkeyes)

[Long Duck Dong]

a woman in a denim shirt and jeans and cowgirl boots, ( the cowgirl look ) is something I find attractive..... ( I used to hand around at rodeos, tho horse riding is no longer a option ).. and the same type of shirt worn by a woman and nothing else, can be very attractive and interesting.. but the same can be said for a woman in a business suit, some of them carry it off very well, without having to draw attention to their breasts or their backside.... their mannerism and energy make it work, without having to sexualise themselves for males to drool over

for me, a close fitting shirt on a female ( and nothing else ) can be as alluring as a loose fit long shirt.... its the female that makes the difference, not the clothing....

if I think back to my days of helping a friend with debt collecting / repossessions, seeing a guy answer the door in a pink dressing gown, did not even raise my eyebrows.... as I know what its like to have to answer the door in a hurry and you grab whatever you can grab..... hell there have been times that I have seen guys answer the door naked and half asleep..... something I have done once or twice myself......

as for guys wearing skirts, I am with bityme on that, a kilt is mistaken by some people for a skirt, and there are some pacific islands where guys wear sarongs and other forms of comfortable wrap around clothing that can look like skirts...... I could wear my family kilt if I so chose and its something I have thought about when I get hitched....cos the good old penguin suit doesn't appeal to me and I have been told that my old jeans and tshirt are not allowed, unless they look like they have not been laying on my floor for the best part of 2 weeks....

most of my friends would just grin and go with the flow if I answered the door in a womans nightshirt..... but it has a lot to do with the fact they know that I may be half asleep but my mouth is always wide awake and quick with a smart ass remark if they commented on my clothing.....

as a couple of my female friends have said, they perfer to answer the door in a nightgown cos 9/10 it will be some guy that is going to check out their body and struggle to keep the blood flow to their brain.. and frankly some guys would see a lady in clothing that makes her attractive, as a invitation or a hint that the female is interested in something... something most of my female friends get annoyed about.....

honestly, I have the friends that I do cos they do not conform to stereotypes, they respect each other, they are respectful of each other... and most of them do not see the world in terms of the next fuck.... so yeah..... there is not much of a stigma with my friends, tho if they see a person answer the door in interesting clothing, they may comment by way of a joke or a compliment........

[void()]

For tenni,

Comes back to something akin to what I asked a psychologist. "Do human beings ever act? You speak of reaction a lot. Do we act, and not as a reaction?"

The guy stood there a very long moment, obviously lost in thought. Shook his head with a deep troubled sigh and practically shoved me out the door. He never answered, none of those I have visited have. That and my figuring out the mysterious 'it' everyone tells you to find to locate bliss is a joke and lie, often goes over well with mental health professionals.

Also come up with a good joke of my own about patients in mental health professional waiting rooms. I still get fits of chuckling over it. At any given, I need to be lurking more, posting less.

[tall tale]

For tenni,

Comes back to something akin to what I asked a psychologist. "Do human beings ever act? You speak of reaction a lot. Do we act, and not as a reaction?"

The guy stood there a very long moment, obviously lost in thought. Shook his head with a deep troubled sigh and practically shoved me out the door. He never answered, none of those I have visited have. That and my figuring out the mysterious 'it' everyone tells you to find to locate bliss is a joke and lie, often goes over well with mental health professionals.

Also come up with a good joke of my own about patients in mental health professional waiting rooms. I still get fits of chuckling over it. At any given, I need to be lurking more, posting less.




When you wake up in the morning, do you get out of bed? If your answer is yes, then "yes" is the answer to your question.

[darkeyes]

That's still perception at the core. You like how each gender looks in their assigned garments. It is how you perceive. Who decided men look better in X, women in Y? It's a perception, may be subjective but a perception none the less.Not quite Voidie, babes.. much is our environmental conditioning.. not all.. we have certain things we are genetically conditioned to like and not like.. we have different tastes from each other and different likes and dislikes which are not from any environmental conditioning but what to us is our own taste .. such as why some of us like porage and some not, like choccie and some not.. like Haggis and some not... like liver and some not.. and so on...similarly with what we like to drink.. how we like our sex.. who we like our sex with... some is from our upbringing and our environment.. some is from what our genetics tell us.. it is the same with how we dress and how we see others dress as in just about everything else... to what degree our taste is natural and from our genes, and from how we are raised and conditioned by environmental factors no one knows... some is perception.. not all.. some is just downright dislike or frantabulous adoration from pits of our very being......

[bityme]

as for guys wearing skirts, I am with bityme on that, a kilt is mistaken by some people for a skirt, and there are some pacific islands where guys wear sarongs and other forms of comfortable wrap around clothing that can look like skirts...... I could wear my family kilt if I so chose and its something I have thought about when I get hitched....cos the good old penguin suit doesn't appeal to me and I have been told that my old jeans and tshirt are not allowed, unless they look like they have not been laying on my floor for the best part of 2 weeks....

LDD,

I think the kilt is a cool idea for your nuptials. I opted for the traditional tux for mine, but our son recently wore his to his prom and to his high school graduation. It went over very well for him and he got a lot of positive comments.

Pappy

[void()]

Not quite Voidie, babes.. much is our environmental conditioning.. not all.. we have certain things we are genetically conditioned to like and not like.. we have different tastes from each other and different likes and dislikes which are not from any environmental conditioning but what to us is our own taste .. such as why some of us like porage and some not, like choccie and some not.. like Haggis and some not... like liver and some not.. and so on...similarly with what we like to drink.. how we like our sex.. who we like our sex with... some is from our upbringing and our environment.. some is from what our genetics tell us.. it is the same with how we dress and how we see others dress as in just about everything else... to what degree our taste is natural and from our genes, and from how we are raised and conditioned by environmental factors no one knows... some is perception.. not all.. some is just downright dislike or frantabulous adoration from pits of our very being......

Can understand your point on genetics. It makes me wonder though if genetics in fact could not be conditioned the same as behavior. Believe they can in as much as it is what supports Darwin's theory of evolution. Ideas don't die, just mutate into parts of the genome. Stereotypes are ideas based on perceptions, environment.

But of course, I may be full of bullocks and whistling out my arse, too. Can never tell with me. Good some days, a royal bitch others. :) ;)

[tenni]

Can understand your point on genetics. It makes me wonder though if genetics in fact could not be conditioned the same as behavior. Believe they can in as much as it is what supports Darwin's theory of evolution. Ideas don't die, just mutate into parts of the genome. Stereotypes are ideas based on perceptions, environment.

But of course, I may be full of bullocks and whistling out my arse, too. Can never tell with me. Good some days, a royal bitch others. :) ;)

That is an interesting thesis. I think that there is evidence that some behaviour is coded generationally. I once had a wolly monkey and as an infant the monkey reacted to green water hoses. It seemed to be coded into the baby's mind to fear snake looking things. Similarly certain sexual behaviour rituals are followed by some animals.

However, we put clothing on to our body to decorate it. Over the centuries what was "kewl" or proper has changed. We do not attach the wearing of frilly shirts and white wigs on men wearing skin tight pants as masculine in this century. In previous centuries it was masculine though. So, behaviour may have genetic links (unproven I suspect) but unlikely that clothing is.

Is the man in this photo masculine or feminine appearing? Is that a woman's bathing suit giving that impression or the placement of his body?

8577

[darkeyes]

Can understand your point on genetics. It makes me wonder though if genetics in fact could not be conditioned the same as behavior. Believe they can in as much as it is what supports Darwin's theory of evolution. Ideas don't die, just mutate into parts of the genome. Stereotypes are ideas based on perceptions, environment.

But of course, I may be full of bullocks and whistling out my arse, too. Can never tell with me. Good some days, a royal bitch others. :) ;)
U full of "bullocks" and talkin our ur arse Voidie? Perish the thot u luffly man... wot bollox..*laffs*

..but some things over generations do become wired into our dna. they may miss a generation or two but pop up somewhere when no one expects it..... this happens in hair and eye colour and even skin colour..phyisical features and so on..artistic ability, musical skill and so on... things our ancestors have learned and that was part of their environmental conditioning but in time it became part of our genetics.. we may not have the gene, but it is there all the same and at some stage will probably crop up in our own descendants... I for instance am little, my parents, brother and sister tall, blue eyed lighter of complexion and of hair. My physical appearance is nothing like father, mother, sister or brother... yet am the spitting image of my mother's mother as both a child and as young woman (except in personality) who was also petiite, dark haired and darkeyed... a babba upon his or her first taste of something knows whether he or she likes it or not... that is genetics.. it is said that those who do not like things like kidneys and liver and the like have a more sophisticated palate than those who do not.. they may learn to accept such things and eat them but that is environmental.. parents conditioning them to enjoy such stuff.. or at least eat it.. the fact that they had to be conditioned tells us that there is a genetic factor which cannot be ignored... my parents could never get my sister and I to eat liver or kidneys, heart of brains no matter how much they tried we just gagged... my brother on the other hand gobbles them up as if they are going out of fashion.. both my parents were great munchers of such crap.. so where else can our dislike be from but our genetics.. it's in our dna... from somewhere.. my dad had no sweet tooth yet both his mother father and brother did...

Taste of all kids is part learned through the world about us, part from our genes.. some is as a result of our ancestors activities and learning.. but not all.. but once the genetic code of liking and dislike enters our family dna it is always likely to pop up somewhere in one of us.. just as if we have our own descendants, some things we have learned may eventually pass into the genetic make up of those who come after us..

[void()]

That is an interesting thesis. I think that there is evidence that some behaviour is coded generationally. I once had a wolly monkey and as an infant the monkey reacted to green water hoses. It seemed to be coded into the baby's mind to fear snake looking things. Similarly certain sexual behaviour rituals are followed by some animals.

However, we put clothing on to our body to decorate it. Over the centuries what was "kewl" or proper has changed. We do not attach the wearing of frilly shirts and white wigs on men wearing skin tight pants as masculine in this century. In previous centuries it was masculine though. So, behaviour may have genetic links (unproven I suspect) but unlikely that clothing is.

Is the man in this photo masculine or feminine appearing? Is that a woman's bathing suit giving that impression or the placement of his body?

8577

*shrugs* Just looks like a man in a swimming outfit to me. Beyond him appearing to be a man, not really placing any masculine or feminine perceptions on him. "It's a man in a swimming outfit." "What do you see in this ink blot?" "An ink blot."

[welickit]

Interesting question but we are nudists so I bet we get more odd looks and comments when answering the door.

[pepperjack]

That is an interesting thesis. I think that there is evidence that some behaviour is coded generationally. I once had a wolly monkey and as an infant the monkey reacted to green water hoses. It seemed to be coded into the baby's mind to fear snake looking things. Similarly certain sexual behaviour rituals are followed by some animals.

However, we put clothing on to our body to decorate it. Over the centuries what was "kewl" or proper has changed. We do not attach the wearing of frilly shirts and white wigs on men wearing skin tight pants as masculine in this century. In previous centuries it was masculine though. So, behaviour may have genetic links (unproven I suspect) but unlikely that clothing is.

Is the man in this photo masculine or feminine appearing? Is that a woman's bathing suit giving that impression or the placement of his body?

8577


Both. The overall impression to me is of an effeminate man.

[darkeyes]

Both. The overall impression to me is of an effeminate man.
He reminds me of 1 of the male gym teachers at high school... slimy lil sod who always had 2 touch lingeringly as u walked by him in corridor *shivers*... me bruvva loathed 'im an' sed he shud wear SS uniform cos 'e wos that nasty at 'is job... me fave memory of 'im was 'im getting hockey ball in 'is nuts during a pupils v teachers match.. teach 'im 2 stand 2 close 2 goal... girl who did it was suspected of doing it deliberately cos she whacked when all she needed 2 do wos tap it in net... easier to score than miss... bad bad girl.... Fran got in2 trouble for screaming approval an' laffin'... like bout 3 dozen other girls and lads as well as a couple of the girls on the field... also noted a wry sneaky smile on a certain lady maths teacher's fizzog he was well known not 2 get on wiv.......wich got me in2 even more trouble.... big bruv wos off wiv flu and 'is exclamation of delight wen he heard of its happening and heartbreak at missin' it wos summat 2 behold.

I know.. not ver pacifist sentiment but u have 2 remember I wos only 13 at time... and very silly, ignorant and naive 'bout the big bad world... but not 'bout how sore a hockey call can b wen colliding with a man's nuts.... certainly not after watchin' 'im scream zif 'e wos dying... wich.. if u do get a hockey ball in the nuts... dyin' is quite possible I would think....old bastard is lucky it wasn't shinty.... ball wud be just as hard and flying a bloody sight faster... have seen this 2 moren 1ce... tho he wasn't the victim u will b glad 2 hear!!!

[DuckiesDarling]

Thing is... with the guys it can even extend into the coloring of clothes. A pink shirt is pretty much veiwed as feminine leaning yet in some ancient cultures it was a sign of wealth as only the very rich could afford the dyes and such. It can be amusing to watch as men cringe when their partner holds up a pink shirt with a grey tie to go with that nice grey suit but on the other hand there are men who are much more fashion conscious than women and do not hide behind cultural issues. It's how things like the "man purse" and other questionable sexuality issues got a hold in our society. Still some will insist it is a feminine trapping but is it really any different than lugging around a briefcase?

[darkeyes]

Thing is... with the guys it can even extend into the coloring of clothes. A pink shirt is pretty much veiwed as feminine leaning yet in some ancient cultures it was a sign of wealth as only the very rich could afford the dyes and such. It can be amusing to watch as men cringe when their partner holds up a pink shirt with a grey tie to go with that nice grey suit but on the other hand there are men who are much more fashion conscious than women and do not hide behind cultural issues. It's how things like the "man purse" and other questionable sexuality issues got a hold in our society. Still some will insist it is a feminine trapping but is it really any different than lugging around a briefcase?
Things change tho darin darlin'... just over a century ago pink was considered a man's colour.. blue a girls... but when push comes to shove, it's how we feel however we dress or whatever we use to keep our dosh in.. :)

[pepperjack]

He reminds me of 1 of the male gym teachers at high school... slimy lil sod who always had 2 touch lingeringly as u walked by him in corridor *shivers*... me bruvva loathed 'im an' sed he shud wear SS uniform cos 'e wos that nasty at 'is job... me fave memory of 'im was 'im getting hockey ball in 'is nuts during a pupils v teachers match.. teach 'im 2 stand 2 close 2 goal... girl who did it was suspected of doing it deliberately cos she whacked when all she needed 2 do wos tap it in net... easier to score than miss... bad bad girl.... Fran got in2 trouble for screaming approval an' laffin'... like bout 3 dozen other girls and lads as well as a couple of the girls on the field... also noted a wry sneaky smile on a certain lady maths teacher's fizzog he was well known not 2 get on wiv.......wich got me in2 even more trouble.... big bruv wos off wiv flu and 'is exclamation of delight wen he heard of its happening and heartbreak at missin' it wos summat 2 behold.

I know.. not ver pacifist sentiment but u have 2 remember I wos only 13 at time... and very silly, ignorant and naive 'bout the big bad world... but not 'bout how sore a hockey call can b wen colliding with a man's nuts.... certainly not after watchin' 'im scream zif 'e wos dying... wich.. if u do get a hockey ball in the nuts... dyin' is quite possible I would think....old bastard is lucky it wasn't shinty.... ball wud be just as hard and flying a bloody sight faster... have seen this 2 moren 1ce... tho he wasn't the victim u will b glad 2 hear!!!


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