Choccie.. no more Cadbury's for me

[darkeyes]

This year, for the first time ever, I did not get a Cadbury's Egg at Easter.. neither were Cadbury's Eggs bought for the Children.. Kate is addicted to Suchard so no prob there.. at Crimbo.. no Cadbury Choccie was bought in selection box form either and in fact, other than Cadbury's Creme eggs, which are still edible and quite yummie if less than they once were by some distance, Cadbury's choccie in our house is no more.. and has not been for quite some time... even the kids dont like it any more and if kids don't like, what is there to like? in fact the numbers of peeps I know who complain about Cadbury's choccie seems to grow every day so it was no surprise when I spotted this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17728683 which led to this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129894/Why-ladies-fallen-love-Milk-Tray-Changed-recipe-Britains-favourite-box-chocolates-unleashes-internet-furore.html while having lil web check over me brekkie this morning..

For health, teeth and bootie reasons I do not eat a huge amount of choccie, but there is nothing to touch it for flavour and to my mind yummily lip smacking, and quite erotic reasons.. but God..do I not haff look forward to my ration like I look forward to little else.. and Cadbury's choccie has always been a special favourite.. but it is now more sickly, greasy and if not bland, leaves a nasty after taste which it never did before and it melts differently in the gob.. and the way they have faffed about and ruined Milk Tray is summat they should be bloody ashamed of... in fact they should be ashamed of what they have done just to the choccie.. period!!!

Now I know Kraft took over Cadbury a few years ago.. and no I don't blame Kraft for the change except that they didn't pull their subsidiary into line and stop it churning out sickly grotty yughie choccie because I don't know why the change has occurred..just what prompted them to ruin such deliciousness?? How things have changed in the US or abroad I cant say, but I understand that Cadbury's US products have never tasted like choccie does here and my own limited experience of Cadbury's US choccie bears this out.. but has Kraft made Cadbury switch over to American style choccie? I dont know.. I dont think so because it doesn't taste like any American choccie I have ever eaten and although it is a long time since I munched on Cadbury's choccie which was produced for the American market, I don't remember it tasting as it does now.

Well.. gripe over more or less.. but it is not a small gripe...not to me anyway.. I have written screeds of letters to Cadbury havin' lil moan, and also 2 Kraft.. no satisfactory answers, so until things improve Cadbury's choccie will still be on the barred list.. maybe I am just gettin' old and me tastes are changing... naaa don't accept that.. not where choccie is concerned! Bloody Philistines!!!!!

[Jobelorocks]

Well it sure helps me keep my body trim by the fact I am deathly allergic to chocolate and a good majority of deserts and sweets contain chocolate. I use to like Cadbury creme eggs before I developed my allergy to chocolate 10 years ago. I miss chocolate, but if I wasn't allergic, I would eat a whole heck of a lot more sweets.

[DuckiesDarling]

Honestly.... if you don't like em, don't buy em. Nuff said. I for one found the last Cadbury egg I had to taste the same is it did the last time I had one. The article points to them changing a few flavors in response to consumer market.

[tenni]

Oh, chocoholic here...:)

I developed a sensitive stomach a couple of years ago that interferred with my chocolate pleasure. I was getting pains if I ate any chocolate. I'm on some meds and this year I could gourge on Easter chocolate without getting a stomach pain. Ya..meds.:tongue: I have little to no self control with chocolate. After the guests left, I ate the remaining chocolate over the next few days.(I'd bought small chocolate object and there was a lot left over)..birp...lol

I don't know about Cadbury as it is not high on my list. Hell, I'll eat almost any type of chocolate. Lindt is very good and these little gold bunnies with a bell on them is considered good quality over here. I got one for Easter with a white bell. I opened it and found that the white bell is for white chocolate...bla. Give me the red belled bunny for dark chocolate. I also got a Toberone bar(I think that I spelt it correctly). Its British.
Why not eat that darkeyes...lol?5265

[Long Duck Dong]

in NZ, the health freaks and environmentalists etc, kicked up such a godforsaken stink about how chocolate was unheathy and full of sugar and using palm oil ( it was sourced from a renewable source, not the source claimed ) and bad for kids etc... that cadburys shifted to more * pleasing * sources of ingredients ...... and promptly fucked every thing up... including the size of the bars ( reduced ) ....

hence a shit load of whinging..... and a lot of protestor bashing cos they tried ( roflmao ) to protest the usage of palm oil in the chocolate, .... by boarding the wrong ship, and costing the wrong company close to 100k dollar...... lol not only was it the wrong ship, the wrong cargo and the wrong company, the protestors were protesting something that had been stopped 2 months earlier ...... you have to bare in mind that it was the same group of protestors that protested over pig farming and the state of piggeries in NZ ( the farm they used as the focus, was actually being demolished so yeah, it was a mess )... protested GE foods by ripping up a garden farms crops ( the correct farm was 2 farms down the road and the farmer they hit, lost over 200k )

so fran, part of the issue lays with people whose IQ tests came back negative and who proved there is a missing link...( its between their brain and the rest of their body ) and the people that think that man can live on tofu and be happy, healthy and wise...... ( for the 3-4 weeks it takes them to starve to death )

as for me, lol chocolate and me have a understanding.... the old cadburys chocolate and my migraines, agreed not to associate with each other..... but the new cadburys chocolate .. well it invites every migraine I have ever had, and their extended family, for a party in my head.......

[darkeyes]

Honestly.... if you don't like em, don't buy em. Nuff said. I for one found the last Cadbury egg I had to taste the same is it did the last time I had one. The article points to them changing a few flavors in response to consumer market.
The link to the bit on Auntie's website does Darlin' darlin'.. but the link 2 the Daily Mail's suggests summat altogether more sinister... and we are not talking of Cadbury US which I have already said is different from here, we are talking of Cadbury UK.. Creme eggs are still edible and acceptable but they are not as edible and acceptable as they once were.. even the fondant tastes differently..

..and Tenni??? Toblerone was originally a Suchard product.. it is now owned by Kraft just like Cadbury (not Suchard, just Toblerone which hasn't been a Suchard product since I was a child)..and it is Swiss, not British.. silly boy!! It is also delish and it is not unknown for me to nibble a little on occasion... and I am btw, very fond of the odd lil bit of dark choccie...

[tenni]

..and Tenni??? Toblerone was originally a Suchard product.. it is now owned by Kraft just like Cadbury (not Suchard, just Toblerone which hasn't been a Suchard product since I was a child)..and it is Swiss, not British.. silly boy!! It is also delish and it is not unknown for me to nibble a little on occasion... and I am btw, very fond of the odd lil bit of dark choccie...

Not British?....hmm It must be my thinking because I may have seen Toblerone for the first time while in Britain? We didn't get it in Canuckland until years later. How dare I...;)

[darkeyes]

Interesting Duckie.. I get migraines also and have also avoided anything I know which triggers them so quite right.. however choccie has never been a trigger, but when I began to get migraines as a girl me quack suggested trying sucking on a square or two of chocolate as soon as I get the warning signs.. it never stopped migraines happening, but sometimes did help reduce the severity of them. I have lil tabs for that nowadays (immigran) which are much better, but they don't taste haff as nice!

[Long Duck Dong]

fran....dark chocolate is one that I have heard, can actually help people that suffer migraines.....and other health issues.....

the idea with the chocolate and sucking a piece of chocolate, was something and still is something that is medically unproven but can work.... it triggers a chemical change in the brain that eases the pain, suffering and side effects of migraines.... and i say unproven as they are still trying to work out what actually causes migraines in the first place..... and yes i have heard many of the triggers... but not a definate answer on why migraines occur.... the closest I have heard, is that most migraines come from the back of the neck and restricted blood flow to the brain / shift in blood pressure in the brain and that can cause the halo effect in peoples vision.....

lil trick with headaches and some migraines.... the webbing between the thumb and fore finger, press on that area ( its a lil hard to find the right spot ) but it can cause the body to react and ease the hell out of headaches and some migraines.... it was a trick I was taught by a chinese guy....

lol I hope you never experience a haemotramatic migraine..... they are the real lethal ones, they cause brain bleeds, and they are different to normal migraines in that they do not give off the same symptoms as a normal migraine... but apparently that is where the dark chocolate works best..... lol if you survive the migraine.....

[darkeyes]

Lil trick a Chinese girl showed me.. ifya need a wee an r desperate an ther no loo for miles it...circle the centre of the palm of ur right hand wiv the LH thumb.. it eases the pressure on the bladder an helpsya get through wivout soggy knicks or at best the desperation of wee pains... especially handy for long journeys in car... havent seen 1 for years but u used 2 b able 2 buy nobbly covers for the steering wheel just for the purpose... it works 2. I assume its summat they found out because of acupuncture and both what u and I mentioned are acupuncture points affecting bonce and bladder respectively.. haven't yet found such a point 2 control me need for choccie wen it gets goin... only cure for that is munchin' on choccie... am not yet so roly poly me needs a cure for that!!

[axlton]

You know I've noticed a difference in Cadburys to. When I was a kid I used to love the Cadbury's Fruit & Nut Chocolate bars. A couple of months ago I saw one on the shelf at the drugstore and decided to pick one up for nostalgia. Its nothing like I remember, The chocolate is the same as far as I can tell but I definitely remember it having more variety in it. Like hazelnuts almonds and a few different types of berries, now it's just raisins and some bland unidentifiable nut.

Anyone else remember them how they used to be the way I do or am I just remembering some Imaginary candy bar?

[12voltman59]

I didn't eat any of them either, Frannie. I have been on a program since the beginning of the year to drop weight, eat better and such--so things like at least "regular candy" I am not eating.

Don't exactly feel "deprived" in the new way I eat--its not a "diet" but my diet now to eat better and not hardly eat anything "bad" except as an occasional "treat."

[silberwolf1960]

Haven't had Cadbury choco since I was a kid. Loved it then, and I do remember the fruit and nut bars. Those were awesome. The choco I really miss is German. Was there for 4 years, great choco and beer and food and of course the lovers that I had when I was there. Mmm good.

[Realist]

I agree about the food and chocolate in Germany and Austria! I've never had better beer than the local unpasteurized local brews, either. I thought the cokes there were not as tasty as in the US; I heard they used a different kind of sugar. But, there was enough of everything else that I liked, so I didn't miss 'em.

On two trips to England, I thought the food was the most bland of anywhere I'd ever been. Loved the people, though, and the drinks were great. After a few stiff shots of Irish whiskey, or scotch, a person can eat about anything!

[_Joe_]

Life is too short for crappy chocolate.

In addition to this, life is too short for companies that are cutting corners and finding substitutes for chocolate but keep trying to cover up the fact it's no longer chocolate. It cost more, but lately I've been looking for chocolate overseas that isn't infected with the US's attitude of "if it looks like chocolate the masses will think its chocolate!"

[Jobelorocks]

If only more places had Carob available. It is so dang hard to find. I mean it certainly isn't as good as chocolate, but hey, it is close as I can get. I hear you all complaining about companies going cheap with chocolate products, but at least you guys can eat chocolate. If you don't like whatever chocolate brand or product, don't eat that one and get higher quality chocolate. I would love to be able to eat a crappy piece of chocolate.Being allergic to chocolate just makes you realize just how many things have chocolate in them. Even some savory things have chocolate in them. When I am really old I may choose to die by chocolate. lol.

[darkeyes]

After a few stiff shots of Irish whiskey, or scotch, a person can eat about anything!
Munchin' isn't a prob after guzzlin' Irish or Scotch... the problem, babes, is hangin' on 2 wotyas munched!!! But when it comes 2 spirits am a Cognac girl...never find me hangin' over the lavvy after a few Courvoisiers...;)

[Realist]

My ex brother in law was a cognac snob....you HAD to use the right glasses with it, he said. (not saying you're a snob, are Fran) He'd always brag about how much a bottle cost....he equated cost with quality, I think. I couldn't develop a taste for it, myself, but I'd drink a little to please him. I like about anything else with alcohol in it, except sweet liquors and wines. One, or two, drinks are enough for me, though.

Last time I was drunk enough to lose my lunch I was about 19...that was a long, long, time ago!

[darkeyes]

*laffs*.. no am not a snob.. not about cognac. I have drunk it out of mugs and cups before now and once a pint glass I am ashamed to say (but I was young and rather silly then), although at home we do have proper glasses and use them. Courvoisier is a good cognac but there are much more expensive and better quality cognacs and I have a had a few of those too in me time.. but I love my Courvoisier and if there isn't any in the house that is soon rectified. My cousin always buys his booze at top of the range prices from nobby Wine Merchants.. I pop down the local offie and buy mine as cheap as poss.. its not price that matters to me or snob value, its what I like and although we have between us a more than decent income why spend a pound when a penny will do as the old saying goes? Not for the same thing for God's sake!

Supermarkets are actually cheapest normally for alcohol, but they don't tend to have the choice of spirits or wine that offies (or nobby wine merchants) have and getting to them for only a few things is not always sensible home economics... and I have a thing about encouraging local shops to stay in business and supermarket greed and dominance is causing chaos and cutting out choice (and often quality.. meat, fruit and veg for instance) of many comestibles (and other products) by forcing so many small traders out of business and so clearing whole town High Streets. I will use supermarkets if I need to but I do have a thing about them.. and refuse on a point of principle to use one in particular for anything.. ASDA, which is owned by WalMart.

Forgive the digression but the great thing about cognac.. is that unlike Whisky and Whiskey, Gin or Vodka.. it goes brill with choccie.. in me humble opinion, no spirit goes as well with choccie as a good cognac.. especially dark choccie!!!

[pepperjack]

Haven't had Cadbury choco since I was a kid. Loved it then, and I do remember the fruit and nut bars. Those were awesome. The choco I really miss is German. Was there for 4 years, great choco and beer and food and of course the lovers that I had when I was there. Mmm good.

What you tapped into is German gusto, a gregariousness, passion for life; in that language,it's referred to as lustig ( see the similarity to lusty? ).;)

[pepperjack]

in NZ, the health freaks and environmentalists etc, kicked up such a godforsaken stink about how chocolate was unheathy and full of sugar and using palm oil ( it was sourced from a renewable source, not the source claimed ) and bad for kids etc... that cadburys shifted to more * pleasing * sources of ingredients ...... and promptly fucked every thing up... including the size of the bars ( reduced ) ....

hence a shit load of whinging..... and a lot of protestor bashing cos they tried ( roflmao ) to protest the usage of palm oil in the chocolate, .... by boarding the wrong ship, and costing the wrong company close to 100k dollar...... lol not only was it the wrong ship, the wrong cargo and the wrong company, the protestors were protesting something that had been stopped 2 months earlier ...... you have to bare in mind that it was the same group of protestors that protested over pig farming and the state of piggeries in NZ ( the farm they used as the focus, was actually being demolished so yeah, it was a mess )... protested GE foods by ripping up a garden farms crops ( the correct farm was 2 farms down the road and the farmer they hit, lost over 200k )

so fran, part of the issue lays with people whose IQ tests came back negative and who proved there is a missing link...( its between their brain and the rest of their body ) and the people that think that man can live on tofu and be happy, healthy and wise...... ( for the 3-4 weeks it takes them to starve to death )

as for me, lol chocolate and me have a understanding.... the old cadburys chocolate and my migraines, agreed not to associate with each other..... but the new cadburys chocolate .. well it invites every migraine I have ever had, and their extended family, for a party in my head.......


I worked for a major candy manufacturer. I was behind the scenes, in " the kitchen " ...where everything begins. I can verify that an abnormal amount of sugar is implemented in the cooking process. Also, as in any other industrial food processing plant, there was a rodent problem. Naturally, traps, preventive measures were in place, but tenacious critters they are, they would find their way into storage areas & gorge themselves on the product until their bellies literally "burst." Don't mean to gross anyone out here, but the plant was basically pretty clean & this is tame compared to the beef & poultry industries.

[Long Duck Dong]

lol pepper... had a friend work at a fish factory, he told me never to touch the minced fish patties... so I only ate the fish products that I saw him eat lol....

I take great delight in laughing at the people that eat muesli... and talk about how nice it is...... cos i know what goes into it, and the acceptable limits is no more than 20k insects per ton of wheat....

even bacon and ham is something that makes me laugh, as I used to work at the local piggery here...... * green pig * was a term used for a dead pig that was decomposing in a pen, and there were times that they were hard to find until you could smell them cos the dead pig was under cover and hidden from view and checking 200 pens every day, was not a option, lol ........the pigs used the terms * breakfast, lunch and dinner * and often I pulled out what was left of the pig......
the non decomposed dead pigs went into the boiler, a big 10000k litre pressure cooker, along with dead sheep, and waste from the local butchers...... and that was the friday *treat * for the pigs......

the pigs were kept on a strict diet that was largely chemicals mixed with wet feed ( veges ) and dry grain.... and as a result they were always hungry... so there was a very strict " no kids allowed " policy and all visitors had to be supervised as all times..... and god help the stupid fool that went into a pen without washing their boots after they had cleaned the boiler or shifted a green pig... cos they were immediately on the menu

so when it comes to bacon and ham and shit, I have no doubt in my mind, what that pig may have been eating before he was served up on somebodies plate

[darkeyes]

We are getting a long way from the subject of choccie guys, but as with everything standards do often slip in food as whole..and supermarkets don't help matters.. which is why for meat and veg I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. Factory and battery farming of livestock is a nice easy and lazy way of raising animals.. cruel.. but very profitable.. yep..afraid it is another pet cause.. which is why almost all meat we consume we can track back to source.. we use a local butcher whose meat is far superior to anything a supermarket will supply and is meat which has been allowed to roam and we have visited and will again some of the farms where the food is source..wherever we go we find out about local produce and how animals are raised and fruit and veg is grown. Talking of bacon and ham and other meat stuffs.. there is no added water to meat we buy so no scum. It has infinitely more flavour. It costs more but we are prepared to pay that price. Not everyone has that luxury I accept and that is something which should be addressed. We do however also grow as much of our fruit and veg as we can.. it isn't nearly enough to make us self sufficient but we do have surpluses of some produce which we give out to other people.

I accept what u say Duckie about how pigs have been and are raised sometimes because I too have seen it having spent 4 years of my life married to a farmer who may not have raised pigs but we knew and visited those who did.. in this country there has been a great tightening up of standards for raising animals and things are getting better.. but they remain nowhere good enough for most of our meatstuffs. Far too much is grown in cooped up pens and cages and having seen some of those pens and cages over the years it can be heart rending.

People want quality meat to match their budget but I do not accept that we have a right to do that at the expense of heart rending cruelty, and we all have a responsibility for that. Supermarkets certainly do because they force down prices to producers while enjoying massive profits for themselves. Milk producers especially in this country know that for they receive receive something like 1.5p pence a litre and supermarkets very nicely charge 56p tyvm for a pint.. Tesco recently had a big fanfare because they had decided to increase that to 1.6.. wow.. Even allowing for distribution and packaging costs and costs to the retailer I am at a loss to understand how such a bloody great rise in costs can be justified.. I can nip out as I do to a local free range farmer and buy 2 dozen large free range eggs for 2 quid... if I go to a supermarket we find small cage produced eggs at around a pound for half a dozen. That same farmer would much rather sell to the public himself (as he also does at farmer's markets) or as they often do local greengrocers, butchers and stores, but population demographics,convenience to the public and location dictates that he cannot and so he sells to supermarkets at a fraction of the price he sells to the public. The supermarkets know this and so they exploit mercilously the farmer and ultimately both farmer and public.

A similar situation is found right through the food chain..fruit, veg, dairy products as well as meat and poultry. Cheaper imports, often from countries where those foodstuffs were produced in an illegal manner had they been produced here also play their part in helping supermarkets force down prices paid to farmers and all of this has had a detrimental effect on the variety of locally produced foodstuffs and on much of the quality. But as with many other kinds of goods what do supermarkets care about that? They think nothing of buying in clothes produced in far eastern sweatshops using child labour in appalling conditions. Since they don'tt appear to care too much for human beings I doubt they care too much about animal welfare and how our food is produced.

I could go on and on... returning to the subject of the thread, many confectionary companies are like supermarkets.. huge national and multinational corporations.. profit is all.. we should not be surprised if our chocolate quality deteriorates like so many other things do.. after all.. what goes into choccie is produced by growers and farmers around the world and the insidious tentacles of supermarket and confectionary chains around the globe have much the same motive..maximum profit for minimum outlay.. fairness doesn't enter into it and very often neither does quality and very often it is very cruel indeed.

[_Joe_]

I'm afraid to start a new thread, but there's another candy in the US you simply can't find easy - licorice. I'm talking real licorice, not Twizzlers plastic-crap. And to up the notch more, SALTY licorice. It's so nasty it's awesome, and it's not cheap getting it imported over Amazon but at least it's an option.

[Jobelorocks]

I'm afraid to start a new thread, but there's another candy in the US you simply can't find easy - licorice. I'm talking real licorice, not Twizzlers plastic-crap. And to up the notch more, SALTY licorice. It's so nasty it's awesome, and it's not cheap getting it imported over Amazon but at least it's an option.
Any sort of specialty candy is kind of hard to find in the area I live in now. There are NO candy stores! Everyone out here gets their candy at the grocery store or convenient stores. So weird to me. Back home in Cali there were many candy stores and if you didn't get your candy there, you generally got your candy in liquor stores. In the specialty candy stores you could generally get real licorice, but not the salty kind. You couldn't get carob though generally. The only carob I could find was in the high end, organic, or health food markets, and then it was only in bar or chip form. So if you are allergic to chocolate, you are out of luck in finding chocolate substitutes in any variety (even online). If I want some carob candy I have to order it online (out in my current area SE Connecticut). It surprises me because chocolate is one of the most common food allergies.

[darkeyes]

I'm afraid to start a new thread, but there's another candy in the US you simply can't find easy - licorice. I'm talking real licorice, not Twizzlers plastic-crap. And to up the notch more, SALTY licorice. It's so nasty it's awesome, and it's not cheap getting it imported over Amazon but at least it's an option.
I liked liquorice more as a child. Especially hard liquorice. My mum, who is English, in common with most English people will insist on calling it "liquorish". .. bit like they call medicine "medsin". Annoying but I cope. I still eat liquorice now and then but not that often. Getting hold of the hard stuff isn't easy. And salty liquorice is ghastly!!! We get this soft stuff from Oz nowadays which is awful... when I was around 7 or 8 I always was covered in the stuff and had a stick of the hard stuff permanently stuck out of my mouth and face covered in black brown liquorice grot which mum relished in scrubbing off every chance she got. What I do like occasionally is a liquorice flyer.. sticks of sweet soft liquorice with a centre filled with flavoured sherbet. Our kids would eat them all day if u let them.. which we don't!

[Jobelorocks]

Actually I believe the correct way to pronounce it is "liquorish" as opposed to "liquoris" as I have heard some pronounce it. Check out how they have it pronounced on this, just click on the little speaker http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liquorice?s=t . By the by, has anyone else tried sen sen? I love it , it is hard to find, but I use to buy it in a novelty/candy shop in Hollywood.

[darkeyes]

Actually I believe the correct way to pronounce it is "liquorish" as opposed to "liquoris" as I have heard some pronounce it. Check out how they have it pronounced on this, just click on the little speaker http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liquorice?s=t . By the by, has anyone else tried sen sen? I love it , it is hard to find, but I use to buy it in a novelty/candy shop in Hollywood.
Actually, in English English either is correct Jobe.. in Scottish English it is never "ish". The former pronunciation may be the same for American English but Americans will know better than I. The predominance of the "ish" within English English, even although I was raised with it through my mother, is not something I am used to and have always found irksome, but have long since ceased making a big issue of it..Glaswegians and others from around that area often pronounce the plural of woman "woomen" (womb-men) which is historically proper pronunciation, but this has long since ceased to be commonly used... we just have to accept that different varieties of English have different pronunciations and even different dialects and accents of the same variety will differ in how they say some words.. some of which we will find irksome... we shouldn't.. but we do..

[Long Duck Dong]

ode to the chocolate shoppe...lol..... it was a small shop in town that used to cater to people that enjoyed many types of sweets and chocolates from all over the place..... and its a one stop shop for me cos the house mate loves chocolate coated liqourice... unfortunately it closed at the weekend, another casualty of the push to buy over priced, organic and healthy food and no sweets for kids....

I am gutted, as i used to go there as a kid in the 70s.....

fran, go protest the loss of treasured memories and decent chocolate, please, lol.... I will bring along the chocolate favour beer in case you get thirsty lol....

seriously tho..... its like those special places are being lost to us now cos of the health craze and the push to eat, drink, breath and think healthy thoughts.......
some times, change is not always for the best......

[Jobelorocks]

Actually, in English English either is correct Jobe.. in Scottish English it is never "ish". The former pronunciation may be the same for American English but Americans will know better than I. The predominance of the "ish" within English English, even although I was raised with it through my mother, is not something I am used to and have always found irksome, but have long since ceased making a big issue of it..Glaswegians and others from around that area often pronounce the plural of woman "woomen" (womb-men) which is historically proper pronunciation, but this has long since ceased to be commonly used... we just have to accept that different varieties of English have different pronunciations and even different dialects and accents of the same variety will differ in how they say some words.. some of which we will find irksome... we shouldn't.. but we do..
In the US, people mostly say liquorish and if you say liquoris then people will think you have some sort of speech impediment. lol.Actually American English is the has closer pronunciations/accents to English the way it was spoken in the 1800's and prior then English English does today (according to historians and linguists anyways). Southern California has the closest to non-regional dialect which is where I am from. Honestly it does bother me living in another part of the country where they slaughter pronunciations like saying cah instead of car. makes me cringe. There are proper ways to pronounce things in the English language that many people tend to have a hard time with due to accents. After taking a voice and diction class it is made all the more apparent.

[darkeyes]

In the US, people mostly say liquorish and if you say liquoris then people will think you have some sort of speech impediment. lol.Actually American English is the has closer pronunciations/accents to English the way it was spoken in the 1800's and prior then English English does today (according to historians and linguists anyways). Southern California has the closest to non-regional dialect which is where I am from. Honestly it does bother me living in another part of the country where they slaughter pronunciations like saying cah instead of car. makes me cringe. There are proper ways to pronounce things in the English language that many people tend to have a hard time with due to accents. After taking a voice and diction class it is made all the more apparent.The main thing is not how people speak, but whether they can be understood.. I loathe a number of accents and dialects from Scotland and around the UK and if I may say some from the US and other English speaking countries grate too.. but I would never be so rude as to let on to those with whom I am in conversation that is how I feel.. we speak as we speak just as we are who we are... and why should we be ashamed of how we speak? Being Scottish and knowing how the British state and the Scottish aristocracy tried to destroy both the Scots language and Scots Gaelic over 3 centuries and impose the "superior" English language on us by making us ashamed of our mother tongues, I am a bit prickly about those who criticise others for how they use their own language or dialect and which accent they employ. It is being understood which is important, not the sounds which roll out of our gobs and if we should all make the effort to make ourselves understood, we should also make the effort to understand... vive la difference!!!

[Jobelorocks]

Who said I was critiquing you? I don't tell people when their accents grate. I can't even hear you speak, so how can a critique your accent? Now, I do not like how you type sometimes because I have to sound it out to try to figure out what you are saying, but that is a different story. I am just giving a little history on accents and the English language and how it does irk me to hear some peoples accents. You are reading way too much into what I said. I am going to move to the South soon and will have to deal with one of the most annoying accents to me, but I will bite my tongue and bear it.

[silberwolf1960]

Thanks pepper, always wondered about it. Ahh the great candy store, hard candy, choco, mints and more. Here in northern Michigan it's fudge. Chocolate,peanut butter and much more. That is the reason us n.Michiganders call the folks that come up from down state "Fudgies", like the folks in the U.P. call all folks that live below the "Mighty Mac" bridge "Trolls".

[darkeyes]

Who said I was critiquing you? I don't tell people when their accents grate. I can't even hear you speak, so how can a critique your accent? Now, I do not like how you type sometimes because I have to sound it out to try to figure out what you are saying, but that is a different story. I am just giving a little history on accents and the English language and how it does irk me to hear some peoples accents. You are reading way too much into what I said. I am going to move to the South soon and will have to deal with one of the most annoying accents to me, but I will bite my tongue and bear it.
I didn't say u were.. wasn't in the least offended by what u said.. how I responded was purely as friendly chitchat.. so I wasn't reading anything into what u said other than in was interested in what u did say and put me own slant on the subject..

Regarding how I sometimes write, Franspeak was once much more common both in chat and in forums.. it is an affectation born of txtspeak which friends and I use for communication on the net carried over to this site.. not liking it doesn't offend me because u aren't alone and have much reduced its use. Not because people like or don't like it, simply because using it other than for more humorous posts isn't really apprropriate.. even if sometimes I do..

[Jobelorocks]

Darkeyes, I think your "Franspeak" must be a regional thing, because I have been on the internet and using forums for many years and have never seen that sort of typing until this site. I remember you once saying that is how you text in Scotland. Me and my friends tend to spell things normally while texting or on the internet or whatever. We may have a few things that we shorten like lol and such, but for the most part just write the same as how we would write in a letter.

[axlton]

I'm afraid to start a new thread, but there's another candy in the US you simply can't find easy - licorice. I'm talking real licorice, not Twizzlers plastic-crap. And to up the notch more, SALTY licorice. It's so nasty it's awesome, and it's not cheap getting it imported over Amazon but at least it's an option.


Check the drugstores, you will occasionally find large tubs of the old fashioned liquorish. I'm not sure if it comes in salted varieties but it certainly is better than Twizzlers.

[Gearbox]

Nesle's Milky Bar is my Kryptonite. I think Cadburies own Nestle. I can NOT just have a few squares of it. I'm talking those BIG bars too. Unfortunately, after a Ferero Rochet incident, I get hyperglycaemic. And sadly, I don't give a f..k after just a tiny taste.:oh: So I keep away from them for my own good.

I'm sure that UK chocolate was judged to be 'chocolate-esque' due to there not being enough coco in it to qualify as chocolate, years ago. No surprise there!

[darkeyes]

Darkeyes, I think your "Franspeak" must be a regional thing, because I have been on the internet and using forums for many years and have never seen that sort of typing until this site. I remember you once saying that is how you text in Scotland. Me and my friends tend to spell things normally while texting or on the internet or whatever. We may have a few things that we shorten like lol and such, but for the most part just write the same as how we would write in a letter.I don't want to have a huge discussion on franspeak and txtspeak.. but in the UK most people do not type into their phone full words.. example "wl c wot cn b dne 2 hlp 2mz b4 t" which if u havent worked it out says "(I) will see what can be done to help tomorrow before tea." Most mobile phone users in the UK will find that easy to understand even if their texting style is different because there are personal variations but textspeak is so commonly used most people find it easy to understand another's texting style even at first sight. It is done for speed and convenience because of the multi lettered/numbered keys on a phone and also to save texts (since longer texts can be counted as multitexts on bills and against allowance.) and is much quicker than typing out whole words. It is also useful for predictive text which further cuts down the amount of keying for a message. I assumed that the US and other countries would be similar. "Franspeak" which I use on site is an adaptation of "Bootgirlspeak" (which is much more abbreviated) itself an adaptation of textspeak my m8s (mates) and I use on the web to speak to each other and is something I used in chat and in threads. Old hands understood and accepted this foible.. it was me.. posey prob, but me nonetheless and few had difficulty after a very short while. Some didn't and don't like it and thats fine and you are one and sweetheart, that's fine too.. I hope this lil explanation helps clarify.. I know..clear as mud... lol

Need me choccie and brandy now after explainin' that lil lot.. an' then bed..

[darkeyes]

Nesle's Milky Bar is my Kryptonite. I think Cadburies own Nestle. I can NOT just have a few squares of it. I'm talking those BIG bars too. Unfortunately, after a Ferero Rochet incident, I get hyperglycaemic. And sadly, I don't give a f..k after just a tiny taste.:oh: So I keep away from them for my own good.

I'm sure that UK chocolate was judged to be 'chocolate-esque' due to there not being enough coco in it to qualify as chocolate, years ago. No surprise there!
Nope, Cadbury's dont own Nestle which is a huge Swiss corporation and used to be yet another of Fran's pet h8s because of dubious powdered babymilk practices in the third world going back decades (I've kind of lost track of that particular situation so for now I will keep me gob shut)... UK chocolate was never accepted as choccie in the EU for the reason u outline Gear.. but a compromise was reached a few years ago and British choccie (mostly that produced by the larger manufacturers such as Cadbury) on the continent is now known and branded as "Family Chocolate".

[dafydd]

i actually prefer nestle..... and i dont care about the african breast milk substitute scandal....their chockie tastes too good. have noticed no difference in cadburys at all

[darkeyes]

i actually prefer nestle..... and i dont care about the african breast milk substitute scandal....their chockie tastes too good. have noticed no difference in cadburys at all
On the stuff u've been on of late, Daffy.. dunno how u can tell!!!:tongue:;)

[csrakate]

You know I've noticed a difference in Cadburys to. When I was a kid I used to love the Cadbury's Fruit & Nut Chocolate bars. A couple of months ago I saw one on the shelf at the drugstore and decided to pick one up for nostalgia. Its nothing like I remember, The chocolate is the same as far as I can tell but I definitely remember it having more variety in it. Like hazelnuts almonds and a few different types of berries, now it's just raisins and some bland unidentifiable nut.

Anyone else remember them how they used to be the way I do or am I just remembering some Imaginary candy bar?

I am glad you mentioned this because I had one earlier this year and was disappointed in the lack of "stuff" in the bar. I also recall much more variety....and definitely more than just raisins and nuts. I was beginning to wonder if I was remembering a bigger bar the same way I remember the Ferris wheel at Myrtle Beach being much, much bigger!!! LOL!


I am going to move to the South soon and will have to deal with one of the most annoying accents to me, but I will bite my tongue and bear it.

OUCH! I do declare....I do believe this hurts my lil' ol' feelings! Fiddle Dee Dee.....I won't worry about this today...."After all...tomorrow is another day!"

[darkeyes]

Just a lil list of choccies which have been changed.. and admitted to... Rolo... fewer sweeties and thinner caramel.. result.. I never eat Rolo.. Mars Bars.. change in filling.. lighter air filled and also caramel thinner.. Milky Way.. as with Mars bar.. lighter air filled filling.. I think thinner choccie coating.. Marathon.. now called Snickers.. smaller bar twice the price... Malteasers... no detectable change in choccie.. still yummie.. but ther not very many in a bloody packet nowadays is there??? An buying a box is a right rip off! Milky Bar.. requirin' of a microscope to find bar 1ce unwrapped... Aero.. seems a bit greasier just like Cadbury's and the taste isn't the same although the peppermint Aero remains yummie.. just not much of it for 60 odd p.... Galaxy.. still luffly still creamy.. but like most ya dont get much forya money!!! Smarties.. me childhood fave.. I HATE the blue 1's.. gerrem out!!! And can we have some Smarties in the tube please??? I know choccie is bad forya but all that air in a tube??? Toblerone??Still ver yum yum.. but like the rest.. when u spend money on a sweetie u expect 2 get a sweetie..not summat that lacks substance!!!

Could go on..and on.. I accept that in part memory of choccie bars and sweeties when I was a cild colours me view.. but its more than that.. there are changes.. Cadbury I think seems to be the worst culprit in the UK at least.. but ther r othas... I dont mind them changing choccie.. I do resent them changing it, making it taste like shite and ripping us off!