Is some homophobia self-phobia?

[slipnslide]

Homophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies demonstrates.

http://www.psypost.org/2012/04/is-some-homophobia-self-phobia-10944

No mention of bisexuality though.

[Long Duck Dong]

its cos bisexuality is too diverse and there is not really any evidence of biphobia that has been found to be scientifically valid and disputable....most reactions to a sexuality are generally found to be aimed more at same sex people and activities.... and as gay people have a higher and more visible presence, they have far more evidence of homophobic behievour to work with.......

things like its biphobia if people will not date bisexuals, is more of a personal assumption than a supported fact of phobic behievour......

ever heard of a female being called homophobic for not dating a gay guy ???

[Jobelorocks]

I have known some people (especially being raised in a evangelical fundementalist group) who were strongly homophobic. Some ended up coming out as gay later in their lives. I think that when parents/teachers/pastors are speaking so strongly against homosexuality and someone recognizes same sex attraction (whether they end up being bi, pan, or gay) in themselves they may become homophobic to try to cover what they are or try to convince themselves that they aren't gay. I dated one guy from that group that was really homophobic, then started getting a lot of gay friends all of a sudden. I don't know if he was seeing the light or if he was coming to terms he may have same sex attraction, or whatever, but sometimes it just takes actually getting to know some people from the group you are afraid of to change your mind.

[tenni]

This seems to be a fairly in depth complicated analysis of attitudes of self loathing and authoritarian parenting. It seems to me that authoritarian people are extreme examples of being binary(right or wrong...hetero or gay). There are no grays such as bisexuality in their approach to sexuality and no greys in how to parent. Authoritarian parents may increase their rigid control and imposing negativity if they saw their child showing signs of same sex attraction or any behaviour that they saw as "different" from their own attitudes / behaviour. This possibility is not researched in this study.

I suspect that the researchers were exploring a binary set up as well. They had no methodology to differentiate bisexual subjects from gay or heterosexual subjects. They were exploring homophobia and self loathing in a binary research methodology. It would be an interesting question to ask the researchers about subjects who did not give a binary answer but the researchers never gave that as an option for subjects as is shown below. The subjects were forced to make a binary decision about their gay or straight only. This makes it a flawed study except for the extremes in self loathing by those who identify as gay(conscious or unconscious) by college student age.

"To explore participants’ explicit and implicit sexual attraction, the researchers measured the discrepancies between what people say about their sexual orientation and how they react during a split-second timed task. Students were shown words and pictures on a computer screen and asked to put these in “gay” or “straight” categories. Before each of the 50 trials, participants were subliminally primed with either the word “me” or “others” flashed on the screen for 35 milliseconds. They were then shown the words “gay,” “straight,” “homosexual,” and “heterosexual” as well as pictures of straight and gay couples, and the computer tracked precisely their response times. A faster association of “me” with “gay” and a slower association of “me” with “straight” indicated an implicit gay orientation."

An argument may be made that the study is another example of Bi Invisibility within organizational and it seems here scientific study. It would be extrapolating inappropriately to state that authoritarian parenting increases self loathing in bisexuals. Bisexuals may or may not be aware of their attraction to both genders by the age of college students. Authoritarian parenting may or may not increase self loathing and homophobia in bisexual college student subjects. This study gives no support either way.

It is also of note that the studies subject control factor was university aged students when many are self reflecting and still developing their independence. Many college students may be still developing their sexual orientation. The researchers point out that further studies are required to examine subjects still under the roof of authoritarian parents and another study to examine subjects whose authoritarian parents influence may have been reduced with increasing independence and time. There is no proof that the subjects will or will not modify their self loathing as they come to terms with their sexual orientation. The extreme examples given of self hatred and repressed same sex attraction is not examined in this study as to whether the subject may over time resolve their homophobia without intervention. There may be other factors influencing those who continue homophobic behaviour and repression of their sexual orientation the longer the subject is no longer under the influence of authoritarian parents.

[Long Duck Dong]

lol jobelo I like you more every time I read your posts.... lol

what you say, reminds me of something the ex pastor of the christian outreach center said to me once, years ago... and that was that people are known for the light of jesus shining within them by action, word and deed.... I squarely looked him in the eye and said... that is why a lot of gay christians have the light of jesus shining, they look beyond the judgement of them, the condemnation of them and the lack of acceptance of them and they say, I love you as much as jesus loves me.....

I think it was a week later that the church imploded from the inside out....

it often makes me wonder if homophobia is not the dislike that its portrayed to be, but the fear of finding out that gay people are human beings too and that a fair few of the anti gay crew are scared of admitting that they are gay / bi and human beings as well, just wanting to be accepted... but acutely aware that the people that should be understanding and accepting of them, are the very same people that are not accepting and understanding of one of their own.....

[drugstore cowboy]

its cos bisexuality is too diverse and there is not really any evidence of biphobia that has been found to be scientifically valid and disputable....most reactions to a sexuality are generally found to be aimed more at same sex people and activities.... and as gay people have a higher and more visible presence, they have far more evidence of homophobic behievour to work with....... things like its biphobia if people will not date bisexuals, is more of a personal assumption than a supported fact of phobic behievour...... ever heard of a female being called homophobic for not dating a gay guy ??? Do you even read your posts before you hit the reply button? Biphobia does exist and it's a real thing. Myself and other people here know you're on a campaign against bisexual people at times but biphobia does exist, and so does bisexual erasure. Biphobia goes way beyond someone just saying that they don't want to date a bisexual. Try actually doing some research before you talk out of your ass.

[elian]

Yes, I do believe that fear of self and fear of sexuality are linked - up until very recently when I started to feel more comfortable with myself as a person I started to accept my bisexuality more..before that I only focused on one gender and to be honest I felt very polarized doing it.

Is it so hard to believe that a more confident person with high self esteem would be more accepting of their sexuality? Oh you mean OTHER people reacting to YOUR sexuality? Well, much that same I suspect, but yeah - if you're raised to see the world in binary then I suppose that's all you ever see unless you have one of those life changing epiphanies..

[Long Duck Dong]

Do you even read your posts before you hit the reply button? Biphobia does exist and it's a real thing. Myself and other people here know you're on a campaign against bisexual people at times but biphobia does exist, and so does bisexual erasure. Biphobia goes way beyond someone just saying that they don't want to date a bisexual. Try actually doing some research before you talk out of your ass.

I never said it didn't exist, try reading my post, I said there is not really any evidence of biphobia that has been found to be scientically valid and disputable.....

what I was refering to is the lack of studies that actually deal with biphobia, and not using homophobia directed as bi males, as a indication of bi phobia... IE, bi phobia focused at the bisexual community and /or males / females that identify as bisexual.... and not homophobia aimed at closed males that are bi curious, MSM and WSW ( ie calling them fags and dykes )

I think this is the 12th time now that I have had to say to you, please read what I said, not what you think I said..... and if your inability to read, makes me anti bisexual, then proving bi phobia, using your logic, would be piss easy..... how many other bisexuals have you called biphobic in this site ????? is it 7 or 8 now ?

[pepperjack]

http://www.psypost.org/2012/04/is-some-homophobia-self-phobia-10944

No mention of bisexuality though.

From the inception of Fred Phelps & his group in the public arena,I have always seen them as some of the most homophobic people on the planet. Key words here " unacknowledged attraction." Implies repression,which is a pressure cooker! When I was in my late teens, it was known as "homosexual-panic." Later, during more adult years, I learned of a study which concluded that most homosexual men come from a home environment which included a domineering mother & weak father figure. :2cents:

[drugstore cowboy]

Long Duck there have been studies about only bisexuals and about biphobia that happens to us. I remember taking the one survey and actually corresponding with the person who ran it. I remember participating in another survey for the city of San Francisco and the biphobia here that the HRC did. If you as a highly biphobic asexual were not so concerned about promoting biphobia with your campaign against bisexual men here along with the OP you'd know about these studies that deal with only bisexuals and biphobia that effects us, and our community. It is rather odd that an asexual such as yourself is so obsessed with bisexuality when he's asexual and never has been bisexual nor will be.

[Long Duck Dong]

Long Duck there have been studies about only bisexuals and about biphobia that happens to us. I remember taking the one survey and actually corresponding with the person who ran it. I remember participating in another survey for the city of San Francisco and the biphobia here that the HRC did. If you as a highly biphobic asexual were not so concerned about promoting biphobia with your campaign against bisexual men here along with the OP you'd know about these studies that deal with only bisexuals and biphobia that effects us, and our community. It is rather odd that an asexual such as yourself is so obsessed with bisexuality when he's asexual and never has been bisexual nor will be.

can you link me to them please... I have a person that is looking for any studies like that for their uni thesis ... and if you have any info or links, it would be appreciated.....

as for the rest of the crap you posted.... yeah whateva

[drugstore cowboy]

Why are you doing someone else's research and work for them? They're a university or college student and are fully capable of doing their own research for their own thesis that they are writing. They also probably have access to studies, articles, and databases that you'd normally have to pay for. Furthermore they have nothing to do with this topic.

[Long Duck Dong]

thanks for the lack of help, its very much appreciated..... have a nice day

[tenni]

I agree with you drugstore about the biphobia on this website and where the source seems to be focused but not exclusively. The study of authoritarian parenting and connection to homophobia was not debating or scientifically examining whether homophobia exists but the co relation between the two. Any legally certified "counsellor" worth his salt would know how to read and interpret this study without throwing in red herring accusations. The point that this study is actually practising Bi Erasure and focusing only on homophobia and not distingushing bisexuality biphobia is not a red herring though. Any one who writes in clear English with proper punctuation and grammar understands why those who write poorly can not communicate. Accussing others of not being able to read/comprehend such poor English is a pathetic denial of responsibility.

Any uni student may google to find studies on biphobia under 90 seconds.(probably any ten year old would be able to find such studies in under four or five minutes if so inclined) Links between biphobia and Bi Invisibilty (bi erasure) have been many in the past decade.



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[DuckiesDarling]

I agree with you drugstore about the biphobia on this website and where the source seems to be focused but not exclusively. The study of authoritarian parenting and connection to homophobia was not debating or scientifically examining whether homophobia exists but the co relation between the two. Any legally certified "counsellor" worth his salt would know how to read and interpret this study without throwing in red herring accusations. The point that this study is actually practising Bi Erasure and focusing only on homophobia and not distingushing bisexuality biphobia is not a red herring though. Any one who writes in clear English with proper punctuation and grammar understands why those who write poorly can not communicate. Accussing others of not being able to read/comprehend such poor English is a pathetic denial of responsibility.

Any uni student may google to find studies on biphobia. Links between biphobia and Bi Invisibilty (bi erasure) have been many in the past decade.


^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphobia#cite_ref-0) Eliason, MJ (1997). "The prevalence and nature of biphobia in heterosexual undergraduate students". Archives of Sexual Behavior 26 (3): 317–26. doi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier):10.1023/A:1024527032040 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1023%2FA%3A1024527032040). PMID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubMed_Identifier) 9146816 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9146816).
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Oh look any university student can google something and find a wiki page full of dead links... wow.. takes so much talent.. Now as for the links that were requested, from how I read it, it was requested of Drugstore Cowboy to provide links to studies he was quoting about, instead of actually providing info he took another pot shot because apparently he doesn't have the information he claims to have. Gee, maybe you two should just get married or something.. you seem to think alike, almost as if you share a brain.

[Long Duck Dong]

Any uni student may google to find studies on biphobia under 90 seconds.(probably any ten year old would be able to find such studies in under four or five minutes if so inclined) Links between biphobia and Bi Invisibilty (bi erasure) have been many in the past decade.


1) the info that is needed, was never published on the net so it would take one very impressive 10 year old to google it.

2) it was not a study of bi phobia that was sought so googling them is not going to help either

3) I never said what info was needed, just asked drugstore for some links.....

you have really made a fool of yourself by jumping in and getting it all wrong

[Bisexual Explorer]

Wow, this thread is getting about exciting as doing the literature search for an academic article I'm writing. I won't bore you with the details. I'd like to go back to discussing how we, bisexuals and fellow travelers, feel about the issue.

Making choices means discrimination, so we all discriminate. Someone who decides not to date bisexuals is discriminating (stupidly in my opinion) and has the right to do so. Religious groups barring same-sex marriages in their church are discriminating; it's their right to do so. I don't care about their reasons for making these choices. And, I don't want them to care about why I make the choices I make. Discrimination becomes dangerous when it leads to violence or to deprivation of legal rights (a different form of violence).

I do care about my reasons for making the choices I make. I've worked very hard, especially in my choosing to act on my bisexuality, to avoid phobias and self-loathing. It has not been easy and I am still struggling, but it's one of the most fruitful efforts I've ever made.

g

[tenni]

hmm
If a website has a list of research and articles on a subject and when you hit the link it doesn't take you there, doesn't deny the existence of the research articles. It doesn't invalidate the information. As drugstore pointed out, a uni student has direct access to certain journals (hard copy or electronic in the university library) that a poster on the internet may not. Links to journals are not free in many cases.

[drugstore cowboy]

Oh look any university student can google something and find a wiki page full of dead links... wow.. takes so much talent.. Now as for the links that were requested, from how I read it, it was requested of Drugstore Cowboy to provide links to studies he was quoting about, instead of actually providing info he took another pot shot because apparently he doesn't have the information he claims to have. Gee, maybe you two should just get married or something.. you seem to think alike, almost as if you share a brain. Actually yes I do have the information about the studies I was in. Duh! I participated in them and directly corresponded with the person who ran the one study. I'm not providing them because as I posted before I'm not going to do the work or research for some university student who is writing a thesis. They are more than capable of doing their own research and looking up research studies, articles, and sources for a thesis. This university student if they even exist has nothing to do with the topic at hand at all. If you or LDD had ever attended a college or university, were actually educated at all, or did research you'd know this. The links Tenni posted which can easily be found online were an interesting read and they were not dead.

[tenni]

"can you link me to them please... I have a person that is looking for any studies like that for their uni thesis ... and if you have any info or links, it would be appreciated.....' post 11 by LDD

Now, LDD. Here is a little grammar lesson for you.

What is the noun antecedent to the pronoun "them" in your first sentence?

Drugstore wrote in post 10..."Long Duck there have been studies about only bisexuals and about biphobia that happens to us."

LDD reference to "them" in a discussion with Drugstore refers to the nouns" studies about only bisexuals and about biphobia". There are two possible antecedents..I think.

LDD's poor communication skills leaves a hanging pronoun.."them". LDD has attacked Drugstore accusing him of not being able to read and that LDD has pointed this out twelve times.

LDD replies in post 16 to me with "the info that is needed, was never published on the net so it would take one very impressive 10 year old to google it."

If the info that this "student" was never published on the net, why are you asking Drugstore? What info did this uni wanted? Well, in post 8 LDD writes "what I was refering to is the lack of studies that actually deal with biphobia"

Hmm LDD wants studies that actually deal with biphobia? I think that was given him in a simple short list that may be accessed on the internet in less than 90 seconds. Most will be accessible with some uni library research. Is this an LDD attempt of baffle them with bullshit? ;) I'm not sure if some typical LDD circular logic isn't thrown in too.

First it is stating inappropriately that South Africa (government/society?) is homophobic and now this silliness.
Who is embarrassing himself? Please stop the unfounded personal attacks on others.

May I reinforce Drugstore's comment that LDD spend some time reading before posting and editing his posts in order to communicate clearer? We all have almost an hour to edit after posting. (thanks drew). We all can make a typo or upon reflection see that we have not been clear in our post.