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Doggie_Wood

Mar 20, 2012, 2:07 PM

Robert Bales, the staff sergeant accused of massacring Afghan civilians, enlisted in the U.S. Army at the same time he was trying to avoid answering allegations he defrauded an elderly Ohio couple of their life savings in a stock fraud, according to federal documents reviewed by ABC News.
"He robbed me of my life savings," Gary Liebschner of Carroll, Ohio told ABC News.
Financial regulators found that Bales "engaged in fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, churning, unauthorized trading and unsuitable investments," according to a report on Bales filed in 2003. Bales and his associates were ordered to pay Liebschner $1,274,000 in compensatory and punitive damages but have yet to do so, according to Liebschner.
"We didn't know where he was," Liebschner told ABC News. "We heard the Bahamas, and all kinds of places."
Liebschner says he recognized Bales after news reports named him as the American soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers in a shooting rampage.
Liebschner filed a complaint against Bales in May 2000, claiming Bales took his life savings of $852,000 in AT&T stock and through a series of trades reduced its value to nothing.
The Ohio retiree recalled Bales as a "smooth talker." Asked if he regarded Bales as a con man, Liebschner said, "You've hit the nail on the head."
At the time, Bales worked for an Ohio brokerage firm, MPI.
According to federal documents, Bales failed to appear at an arbitration hearing to resolve Liebschner's complaint.

nutme

Mar 20, 2012, 3:03 PM

HEH? What is the sense of this?

void()

Mar 20, 2012, 6:21 PM

The same sense as this (http://theamericanscholar.org/a-gathering-menace/).

12voltman59

Mar 20, 2012, 9:18 PM

I would like to think that what was reported in this story is "just one of the aberrations" that do take place in wars and is not "SOP" but it this is probably not something that is rare and is all too common. If it is---this only will add to the problem of us having done these wars---instead of "winning the hearts and minds" of the local populace as they used to say back in the days of Vietnam---we are actually making a whole bunch of new terrorists that will one day come over here again--or attack our interests and people all over the world.

Things of this nature do go to show that unless there really is a good reason to go to war---it is so destructive for all those it touches and we are doing harm to the Afghans and harm to our own people who go over and serve in this war.

pepperjack

Mar 20, 2012, 9:33 PM

"Sense?" This appears to be breaking news, pointing to a track record of despicable human behavior; the plot thickens & sickens.

mariersa

Mar 20, 2012, 10:03 PM

pepperjack

Mar 20, 2012, 10:59 PM

Why is it when you gamble in the stock market and lose it seems to be someone elses "fault" ? (appears to be a common crying towel lately) and when you gamble and lose in a casino, oh shit it's my fault, oh hell no headlines and less drama, ok. IF, it's true I cannot believe that the Military with the background checks, verifications etc wouldn't have found that out, so IF true, let's see, commit crimes and hide in the Military. Geez I forgot about the little well bantered about Innocent until proven guilty, nonsense? Doesn't matter hide in the Military until the statute runs out.

During the 70's I lived in a community with rampant crime & much of that crime was being committed by soldiers from a nearby military base. During that era, a common practice of judges facing a young adult accused of a crime was, " go to jail or join the military." I'm not suggesting this practice is as common as it was back then; I'm just saying, loose cannons will always exist.

mariersa

Mar 21, 2012, 12:08 AM

æonpax

Mar 21, 2012, 4:20 AM

The same sense as this (http://theamericanscholar.org/a-gathering-menace/).

Excellent article, good find. It's an eye opener. The same kind of moral apathy that was part of Vietnam war is now part of the Afghanistan campaign. Why are we here? Poor intelligence, lack of communicating leadership plus a growing sentiment at home that we need to withdraw. The corporations sponsoring this war through the President and Congress aren't quite ready though. There is still too much profit to be made.

æonpax

Mar 21, 2012, 4:29 AM

darkeyes

Mar 21, 2012, 6:11 AM

I don't think it's "loose cannons" as much as it is a general ennui that has usurped the esprit de corps and the troops are reacting to it...in deadly fashion. We've gone from an invading army with set goals to right a wrong (9/11) and have turned into an occupying force no one in Afghanistan wants there.

About this alleged killer.. we think all "our boys" are nice honest, peace luffin' guys who luff their grannies and kiss babbas? Were it only true..

..about being there 2 right a wrong?? I very much doubt that was the case.. an act of vengeance and a probable excuse and decision to remove a regime (the Taliban) that western govts didn't much like.. no, I'm not saying that Alqaeda wasn't a target, but I doubt it was the only target..

nutme

Mar 21, 2012, 7:48 AM

During the 70's I lived in a community with rampant crime & much of that crime was being committed by soldiers from a nearby military base. During that era, a common practice of judges facing a young adult accused of a crime was, " go to jail or join the military." I'm not suggesting this practice is as common as it was back then; I'm just saying, loose cannons will always exist.

As a father who has his two older twin sons joining the US Marine Corps, I can tell you that one can not hide in the military these days. They go through a recruits background via the FBI and waivers are not easily attained for actions that may just be brushed off as "shit boys will do". Normally, when one thinks of white collar crime, as this man is accused of being involved with, it doesn't equate to a further attitude of outright murder, whether he snapped or not. It should also be noted that the Staff Seargant here, had 12 years of service with the Army at the time of this incident. My personal opinion, is that it is time to get our collective asses out of Afghanistan, as there is absolutly nothing to be attained by spending not even one more day there.

void()

Mar 21, 2012, 8:06 AM

]During the 70's I lived in a community with rampant crime & much of that crime was being committed by soldiers from a nearby military base. During that era, a common practice of judges facing a young adult accused of a crime was, " go to jail or join the military." I'm not suggesting this practice is as common as it was back then; I'm just saying, loose cannons will always exist.[/FONT]

Someone else quoted in thread else I would not be reading you or replying. As recent as twenty years ago the same practice was held. I bunked with a guy who could go to the military or do twenty-five years in the can. He was into kick boxing, lost his temper and as a result messed someone up badly. Judge declared that given his experience with kick boxing, he considered him to have attacked using a lethal weapon. This compounded manslaughter into attempted murder because the judge felt there was premeditation to a degree. "Military or risk twenty-five to life, son. I'll give you three days. If I don't see you after that, at least have your attorney convey you're enlisted."

So yes, it still goes on. And I gathered it is still really common.

Excellent article, good find. It's an eye opener. The same kind of moral apathy that was part of Vietnam war is now part of the Afghanistan campaign. Why are we here? Poor intelligence, lack of communicating leadership plus a growing sentiment at home that we need to withdraw. The corporations sponsoring this war through the President and Congress aren't quite ready though. There is still too much profit to be made.

I check another web site (http://thebrowser.com) which tries presenting more of a quality based and fair take on current affairs. They often link out to various sources of media, and not merely war related, they have articles discussing language as well and mundane sundry.

MarS pointed something out in another thread and I am finding agreement to it. This 'moral apathy' of which you speak, hasn't been her since 'Nam but rather has existed since as long as we and likely will continue for the same duration. That appears to be something of a sad Truth.

Can you imagine as a writer, what you do if there were no conflict, no change? There would be no more stories. And I think this beast of human apathy, abuse create adversity for many to adapt to and survive. Of course, perhaps I should not listen to stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYz1aqXnwu0) when replying here to issues of such nature. But I find myself a product of our shared environs and may only justify via one of the most base strategies a soldier is taught. "Fight fire with fire."

When I offered a link to this for my mother it really bothered me. I had to find words to aptly describe the men written about. I personally and professionally would not call them soldiers. They disgrace what honorable soldiers do and are undeserving of being called soldiers. I settled upon calling them young men playing soldier. Mom is not the brightest crayon but she isn't a slouch either.

Her father and brother were military, she married a few guys that were military. And it is from this sense of tradition as military I draw on to denounce these men of being soldiers. My dad is a Marine, grandfather and uncle Army, cousin Air Force, step father Navy, mom's first husband Navy and he was at times something of a father figure, a friend of my grandfather and uncle was Army ranger.

*chuckles* Tell me I'm not transitional military. I was saved as a baby by a S.E.A.L, I had fallen into a swimming pool. He was in his wheels by the pool, had me out of the water before I hit. Guess all the men in my life as a young man left me no real choice, "son, you military."

Nah, I'm not traditional military, not hard core. Not me. That's some other fucker on down the way. So when I call these men unworthy, I know what I am saying, mean what I'm saying.

And yes war is hell. It isn't an excuse for choosing to not treat others with dignity and respect. That is a choice each person makes of their own accord. "Following orders" "Fuck orders and you, use your brain."

I also note twenty years ago we had a right and duty to disobey illegal orders. We had a duty to question orders we thought were illegal. It is a choice so fuck "following orders" as an excuse. Solders fight with honor, that means giving respect and dignity to all. Do your best, do the job but don't roll in shit. You get covered in it, your choice.

Bah, I need more coffee and about two ounces of c4. Apologies for being disjointed and not too congruent, it's early morning for me still. Don't sleep much at times. But I deal with it, my choice.

æonpax

Mar 21, 2012, 11:19 AM

About this alleged killer.. we think all "our boys" are nice honest, peace luffin' guys who luff their grannies and kiss babbas? Were it only true..

..about being there 2 right a wrong?? I very much doubt that was the case.. an act of vengeance and a probable excuse and decision to remove a regime (the Taliban) that western govts didn't much like.. no, I'm not saying that Alqaeda wasn't a target, but I doubt it was the only target..

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I follow the Just War Principles (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/justwar.htm) (other sources ~ http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Archives/Theories Of A Just War.htm (http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Archives/Theories%20Of%20A%20Just%20War.htm) ) insofar that the state sometimes has a duty and responsibility to respond to an incident by warfare. I realize you are a pacifist and respect that. The US and their puppet coalition's invasion of Iraq did NOT pass the "Just War" test while the Invasion of Afghanistan, "originally" did. Now? In my opinion it's now a corporate war for profit.

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http://i.imgur.com/ICWQm.jpg

darkeyes

Mar 21, 2012, 4:06 PM

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I follow the Just War Principles (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/justwar.htm) (other sources ~ http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Archives/Theories Of A Just War.htm ) insofar that the state sometimes has a duty and responsibility to respond to an incident by warfare. I realize you are a pacifist and respect that. The US and their puppet coalition's invasion of Iraq did NOT pass the "Just War" test while the Invasion of Afghanistan, "originally" did. Now? In my opinion it's now a corporate war for profit.

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http://i.imgur.com/ICWQm.jpg

Have never accepted the "Just War" principle, babes... most wars are justified by those who send young men and women to war as "just".. a single death makes it unjust.. wars exist for reasons of greed and power or to wreak vengeance.. no, hun, there is no such thing.. just bloody, miserable, wasteful, destructive war to further the ends of powerful people at appalling cost to planet and inhabitants...

pepperjack

Mar 21, 2012, 11:16 PM

]During the 70's I lived in a community with rampant crime & much of that crime was being committed by soldiers from a nearby military base. During that era, a common practice of judges facing a young adult accused of a crime was, " go to jail or join the military." I'm not suggesting this practice is as common as it was back then; I'm just saying, loose cannons will always exist.[/FONT]

Someone else quoted in thread else I would not be reading you or replying. As recent as twenty years ago the same practice was held. I bunked with a guy who could go to the military or do twenty-five years in the can. He was into kick boxing, lost his temper and as a result messed someone up badly. Judge declared that given his experience with kick boxing, he considered him to have attacked using a lethal weapon. This compounded manslaughter into attempted murder because the judge felt there was premeditation to a degree. "Military or risk twenty-five to life, son. I'll give you three days. If I don't see you after that, at least have your attorney convey you're enlisted."

So yes, it still goes on. And I gathered it is still really common.

I check another web site (http://thebrowser.com) which tries presenting more of a quality based and fair take on current affairs. They often link out to various sources of media, and not merely war related, they have articles discussing language as well and mundane sundry.

MarS pointed something out in another thread and I am finding agreement to it. This 'moral apathy' of which you speak, hasn't been her since 'Nam but rather has existed since as long as we and likely will continue for the same duration. That appears to be something of a sad Truth.

Can you imagine as a writer, what you do if there were no conflict, no change? There would be no more stories. And I think this beast of human apathy, abuse create adversity for many to adapt to and survive. Of course, perhaps I should not listen to stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYz1aqXnwu0) when replying here to issues of such nature. But I find myself a product of our shared environs and may only justify via one of the most base strategies a soldier is taught. "Fight fire with fire."

When I offered a link to this for my mother it really bothered me. I had to find words to aptly describe the men written about. I personally and professionally would not call them soldiers. They disgrace what honorable soldiers do and are undeserving of being called soldiers. I settled upon calling them young men playing soldier. Mom is not the brightest crayon but she isn't a slouch either.

Her father and brother were military, she married a few guys that were military. And it is from this sense of tradition as military I draw on to denounce these men of being soldiers. My dad is a Marine, grandfather and uncle Army, cousin Air Force, step father Navy, mom's first husband Navy and he was at times something of a father figure, a friend of my grandfather and uncle was Army ranger.

*chuckles* Tell me I'm not transitional military. I was saved as a baby by a S.E.A.L, I had fallen into a swimming pool. He was in his wheels by the pool, had me out of the water before I hit. Guess all the men in my life as a young man left me no real choice, "son, you military."

Nah, I'm not traditional military, not hard core. Not me. That's some other fucker on down the way. So when I call these men unworthy, I know what I am saying, mean what I'm saying.

And yes war is hell. It isn't an excuse for choosing to not treat others with dignity and respect. That is a choice each person makes of their own accord. "Following orders" "Fuck orders and you, use your brain."

I also note twenty years ago we had a right and duty to disobey illegal orders. We had a duty to question orders we thought were illegal. It is a choice so fuck "following orders" as an excuse. Solders fight with honor, that means giving respect and dignity to all. Do your best, do the job but don't roll in shit. You get covered in it, your choice.

Bah, I need more coffee and about two ounces of c4. Apologies for being disjointed and not too congruent, it's early morning for me still. Don't sleep much at times. But I deal with it, my choice.

I learned that in writing fiction, "conflict is what drives the story forward."

nutme

Mar 21, 2012, 11:53 PM

mariersa

Mar 22, 2012, 3:39 AM

Wow am I surprised but somewhat enlightened. Hmmmm, makes sense I guess I don't know what the Limitations Statute is in the US for Civil Judgements. Oh well, next scandal.

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE82K1IJ20120322 (http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE82K1IJ20120322)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46815403

and as an after thought.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57401637/army-examining-health-programs-after-afghan-deaths/

void()

Mar 22, 2012, 6:56 AM

So yes, it still goes on. And I gathered it is still really common.

No, it doesn't. If you read the posts, as I said, I have two sons joining the Marines and a full background check is done by the FBI. John Dillinger can no longer join the military.

You have your experience, I have mine. I have seen that it does go on. We are not the only ones with experiences.

æonpax

Mar 22, 2012, 8:19 AM

{snip/unsnip}...I also note twenty years ago we had a right and duty to disobey illegal orders. {snip}

That military statute still exists, explanation; ; http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm Now, how about disobeying a direct order to serve in a war that is immoral and illegal, such as the Iraq war....a war promulgated on a think layer of lies, upon lies. One also has to wonder at the US's instance to go to war with Iran, which has not harmed the US and poses no "clear and present danger" to this country.

I have heard from more than a handful of Vietnam Vets that there were hundreds of smaller but just as deadly "My Lai's" that happened but most were done as a matter of survival in a country where you could not tell friend from foe just by looking at the...very similar to Afghanistan.

In Vietnam, these were just kids, forced to join in a war they did not want or believe in and where getting home alive meant everything. One ex-colonel told me of some horrible activities he was asked to do but as he was close to retirement, he rationalized his way through them. Such is the insanity of war, especially when the goals are political or economic instead of altruistic or honorable.

void()

Mar 22, 2012, 9:35 AM

That military statute still exists, explanation; ; http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm Now, how about disobeying a direct order to serve in a war that is immoral and illegal, such as the Iraq war....a war promulgated on a think layer of lies, upon lies. One also has to wonder at the US's instance to go to war with Iran, which has not harmed the US and poses no "clear and present danger" to this country.

I have heard from more than a handful of Vietnam Vets that there were hundreds of smaller but just as deadly "My Lai's" that happened but most were done as a matter of survival in a country where you could not tell friend from foe just by looking at the...very similar to Afghanistan.

In Vietnam, these were just kids, forced to join in a war they did not want or believe in and where getting home alive meant everything. One ex-colonel told me of some horrible activities he was asked to do but as he was close to retirement, he rationalized his way through them. Such is the insanity of war, especially when the goals are political or economic instead of altruistic or honorable.

Believe I posted what you attribute to pepper. I can not answer why people did not disobey going to war with Iraq. Can only speculate it may have had something to do with jingoistic fear mongering and propaganda. Another interesting article (http://goo.gl/sWTRP) if you're of mind to read it.

A bit later today I am going to go outside. Need to mow, need to enjoy my dogs, nature, fresh air. Seems obvious we could bitch and whine all we desire and still have no effect. May as well enjoy what we can as long as we can. Tired of battling depression and the world seemingly shoveling pure manure in my direction each day, each minute. That I can effect. I can be grateful of what life brings.

Simple joys like a hug from my wife, the feel of damp ruddy Earth under bare feet, memories of camping along a river with grandparents, uncle and mom to haul in perch as they ran in Spring. Simple joys we all have and often forget to be thankful of having. Yes, I'm going to enjoy a day away from the dung heap. :)

æonpax

Mar 22, 2012, 10:20 AM

Believe I posted what you attribute to pepper. I can not answer why people did not disobey going to war with Iraq. Can only speculate it may have had something to do with jingoistic fear mongering and propaganda. Another interesting article (http://goo.gl/sWTRP) if you're of mind to read it.

A bit later today I am going to go outside. Need to mow, need to enjoy my dogs, nature, fresh air. Seems obvious we could bitch and whine all we desire and still have no effect. May as well enjoy what we can as long as we can. Tired of battling depression and the world seemingly shoveling pure manure in my direction each day, each minute. That I can effect. I can be grateful of what life brings.

Simple joys like a hug from my wife, the feel of damp ruddy Earth under bare feet, memories of camping along a river with grandparents, uncle and mom to haul in perch as they ran in Spring. Simple joys we all have and often forget to be thankful of having. Yes, I'm going to enjoy a day away from the dung heap. :)

My reply was rhetorical anyways. We've been getting temps up here in WI, high's of about 81 °F....in March no less. I think we've officially bypassed spring and went right to summer which works for me. I'm an outdoors person.

void()

Mar 22, 2012, 6:09 PM

Yazoo! Same type of temps here. Was 92 F Monday, been 80's or better the rest of this week.

Ugh, me hot sweaty, help wife beat clothes on rocks then mowed. Me feel neanderthal, me have present for somebody.

"C'mere elian, it's your fav or ite, wood!" ;)

Nah, you better wait hon. I need to go clean my stank ass up. All sorts of goopey present.

pepperjack

Mar 22, 2012, 11:42 PM

That military statute still exists, explanation; ; http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm Now, how about disobeying a direct order to serve in a war that is immoral and illegal, such as the Iraq war....a war promulgated on a think layer of lies, upon lies. One also has to wonder at the US's instance to go to war with Iran, which has not harmed the US and poses no "clear and present danger" to this country.

I have heard from more than a handful of Vietnam Vets that there were hundreds of smaller but just as deadly "My Lai's" that happened but most were done as a matter of survival in a country where you could not tell friend from foe just by looking at the...very similar to Afghanistan.

In Vietnam, these were just kids, forced to join in a war they did not want or believe in and where getting home alive meant everything. One ex-colonel told me of some horrible activities he was asked to do but as he was close to retirement, he rationalized his way through them. Such is the insanity of war, especially when the goals are political or economic instead of altruistic or honorable.

Yes, you got Void & me confused, which I find amusing since we have seriously conflicted and yet have things in common. Anyway, just some input here I think is relevant: My Dad served 2 tours in Nam; when he was deporting, I was appointed man-of-the house because I was the oldest son in the family but still just a normally troubled teen. I felt burdened, pressured. When I turned 18 I dutifully registered,fully expecting to go also; Canada was not an option in my mind in spite of my circle of friends at that time. Naturally, I was scared. I had attended the funeral of an upperclassman who had been drafted into that war. So, I got my draft card, registered 1-A. Attitude of resignation here; I'm going to war soon , maybe get killed. A few weeks later, I get another notice from the draft board; there was a new selection process being implemented called "the lottery system" and I came up with a very high number, meaning they didn't need me at that time; first sigh of relief there. Then I'm being informed that I've been reclassified to 1-H, meaning I could only be drafted during a time of world war; second sigh. Other than that, no explanation, nor did I seek one. Subtle irony going on here is, while posting , I'm listening to a spirited debate going on in the background about the controversial violent content of The Hunger Games, the movie, currently opening.

æonpax

Mar 23, 2012, 7:32 AM

Yes, you got Void & me confused, which I find amusing since we have seriously conflicted and yet have things in common. {sniped for brevity}

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I think what you both have in common, supersedes your semantically differences. I found this article on a link that was posted here, Top 10 Lessons of the Iraq War ( http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/03/20/top_ten_lessons_of_the_iraq_war?page=full ), while a bit off-topic, really sums up what is also happening in Afghanistan.
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void()

Mar 23, 2012, 8:08 AM

Bah, I'm not Jewish. And that schmuck has it in for me because of that. Semantics my left eye. *grin*

Sorry, couldn't resist the obvious pun.

pepperjack

Mar 23, 2012, 8:38 PM

Bah, I'm not Jewish. And that schmuck has it in for me because of that. Semantics my left eye. *grin*

Sorry, couldn't resist the obvious pun.

"has it in for me?" Sounds like more paranoia to me,Void. And that pun is about as obvious as me saying I know things, can foresee things because I'm epileptic.:rolleyes:

void()

Mar 23, 2012, 11:36 PM

"has it in for me?" Sounds like more paranoia to me,Void. And that pun is about as obvious as me saying I know things, can foresee things because I'm epileptic.:rolleyes:

Because I can. Semantic (http://onelook.com/?w=semantic&ls=a) and semite (http://onelook.com/?w=semite&ls=a) are two very different words. To me they sound a great deal alike. I conflated them to use a pun, it's called alliteration. Also, in case you missed it I was grinning and winking. These usually tend to infer the post is made in jest. Oh gee, did you misinterpret something? You poor deluded dear.

By the by, you're back on being ignored. Apologies for a bit of hypocrisy. Will not happen again. No, it did not feel good.

pepperjack

Mar 24, 2012, 12:40 AM

Because I can. Semantic (http://onelook.com/?w=semantic&ls=a) and semite (http://onelook.com/?w=semite&ls=a) are two very different words. To me they sound a great deal alike. I conflated them to use a pun, it's called alliteration. Also, in case you missed it I was grinning and winking. These usually tend to infer the post is made in jest. Oh gee, did you misinterpret something? You poor deluded dear.

By the by, you're back on being ignored. Apologies for a bit of hypocrisy. Will not happen again. No, it did not feel good.

I didn't miss a thing. My post was also in jest.:bigrin: The word epileptic was an alliteration to the word psychic. What didn't feel good? Pointless in asking. Deluded? OK, go feed your dogs, sweep your porch & take your meds. I still think you're fun.:bigrin:

æonpax

Mar 24, 2012, 6:16 AM

Related...

Clinton vows no Afghan peace without women’s rights - March 21, 2012 - US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton vowed Wednesday never to accept a peace agreement in Afghanistan that rolls back women’s rights, despite reaching out to the Taliban for talks.The United States is seeking a political settlement that would allow NATO forces to leave by the end of 2014, ending the longest-ever US war as it grows increasingly unpopular with the US public.

But Clinton, a longtime advocate for women’s rights, said the United States would not allow a return to conditions under the Taliban regime that barred women from the workplace and school before the US invasion toppled it in 2001. Source ~ http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/21/clinton-vows-no-afghan-peace-without-womens-rights/

I've been following the Woman's Rights movement in Afghanistan, courtesy of RAWA ( http://www.rawa.org/index.php ) for almost seven years now and fully support them and Madam Secretary Clinton's proposal. However, as much as I advocate Woman's Right, that should not impede removing our forces from Afghanistan.
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void()

Mar 24, 2012, 8:28 AM

I didn't miss a thing. My post was also in jest.:bigrin: The word epileptic was an alliteration to the word psychic. What didn't feel good? Pointless in asking. Deluded? OK, go feed your dogs, sweep your porch & take your meds. I still think you're fun.:bigrin:

You miss a lot more than you admit. What did not feel good was responding to you. If you don't miss anything, you not comprehending that is telling. It proves out the first sentence of this post. You miss a lot more than you admit.

And yes, I think you are deluded. You do seem to have issues in understanding what is written clearly. You are deluded into thinking my joking around is anything save mere levity. Delusion also presents itself in assumption. You make assumptions regarding me. Seems justifiable I think you are deluded.

In the sense you appear to mean fun, I doubt I am. You would probably find more fun in chasing parked cars. Now, please do stop goading. I am genuinely taking leave of your asinine slurs.

elian

Mar 24, 2012, 8:55 AM

Well, I'm all for helping, if it helps, but when Karzai dictates that we should "Just stay in your bases and keep giving us money" -- umm, "No" -- at that point I think it's time to start thinking about getting out. My gut feeling is that if he's going to start dictating that sort of action he can find his OWN damn private security force to deal with HIS problem.

On one hand I feel sad for this guy, he's been through a lot - but on the other hand IF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE (yet to be proven) then maybe he brought some of it on himself to be in such a financially distressing situation.

pepperjack

Mar 24, 2012, 7:09 PM

You miss a lot more than you admit. What did not feel good was responding to you. If you don't miss anything, you not comprehending that is telling. It proves out the first sentence of this post. You miss a lot more than you admit.

And yes, I think you are deluded. You do seem to have issues in understanding what is written clearly. You are deluded into thinking my joking around is anything save mere levity. Delusion also presents itself in assumption. You make assumptions regarding me. Seems justifiable I think you are deluded.

In the sense you appear to mean fun, I doubt I am. You would probably find more fun in chasing parked cars. Now, please do stop goading. I am genuinely taking leave of your asinine slurs.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. OK. Stop responding to me & stop talking about me and we've got a deal.

void()

Mar 25, 2012, 2:43 PM

pepperjack

Mar 25, 2012, 3:38 PM

Okay, slipandslide. Oh sorry, wrong pseudonym in the wrong thread. Must be those terrible mental issues of mine. Or, it might be that a troll is a troll regardless of name. Difficult to be too sure. Apologies at any given.

Know what Void, I don't mind being confused with Slip because we've found a common ground; I think he's smart, and I've grown to like him. But then, there wasn't any confusion to begin with, was there? There you go, trying to label again (troll) with your consummate hypocrisy. And those blanket, superficial apologies of yours which initially seduced & deceived me, albeit temporarily. OK. Game On!:impleased