HIV, Bisexuality and the Gender Conundrum

[void()]

there are some bisexual men who are reckless It isn't the risk group necessarily, rather its (the/an) individual who shows no regard

Emphasis added to clarify a point, which I at first missed but did see once stepping outside of opinion. It was the opinion and belief which was painting all bi men as disease ridden scourge which I disliked, disagreed with.

[darkeyes]

Emphasis added to clarify a point, which I at first missed but did see once stepping outside of opinion. It was the opinion and belief which was painting all bi men as disease ridden scourge which I disliked, disagreed with.
..and that Voidie.. not once did she ever say nor was it a view she ever painted.... however much they would like u to believe it....

[csrakate]

to which the Cowboy replies

Pathetic aren't u Cowboy? Ray is a friend and u really have no idea do u? Except to flame anyone who may get in the way of ur vindictive bile.. u and ur thicko friends stopped me from making a huge mistake.. tyvm for that... I am obliged to u... I will be around every time u open that viscious, nasty, evil, anti bisexual, anti gay, anti heterosexual, anti human cyber gob of urs.. and every time u and ur ilk begin the process of flaming ne 1 with ur own particular brand of unpleasantries, Fran will be there... u know Fran... the misandrist.. the biphobe, the pozphobe.. the bigot.... u just carry it on don't u? Not giving a sod about any1 but urself and ur own warped sense of self and who u hurt, or for what reason... now u gett.. get me banned if u can... cos to stop me standing in ur way u will have to... and u will need better and more convincing lies and distortions about me than u ever did about Joan to succeed... and if Drew does ban me for swallowing u and ur kinds crap and self interested egotistical sludge, then to be honest.. this site isn't worth the time effort and leccy it consumes.. and that I do not and never have believed.

By having a go at Ray, u have just displayed and proven to a whole host of people who may have been on ur side about Joan, that u will try and discredit anyone who as much as blinks in opposition to ur own peculiar brand of bigotry and loathing.. I have always known it.... and as long as I remain a member of this site I make it my mission to open the eyes of every decent member to just what u and ur ilk are about..
AMEN! For drugstore to go after littleray is a pathetic attempt to shift attention from himself and his merry band of cohorts like bidave and melissa and exsailor. It's about time we recognize the real culprits on this site....the ones who are determined to undercut any sense of harmony....the ones who don't really give a damn about the causes they spout about...they are merely baiting responses that cause dissension. Drew....I implore you to dig deep....take time to research certain posts. There are posts that have been made verbatim by "others" in the past (I would recommend any post that dealt with Dan Savage or circumcision or HIV positive status)....others who all have a connection and and MO. Some of these you have seen fit to ban in the past....these are simply the same people...being guided by the same hand....and it's not for the greater good of anyone!

[littlerayofsunshine]

Me luffly ladies and dear friends. I appreciate the sentiments and standing up for me and agree with what you say. But I can only advise caution. It seems it's become easier to be deemed a troll and banned if you are a woman these days. And there are so few of us left already.

[SJMurph]

Drug Store Cowboy,

It seems most everyone knows you're a fucking dumb ass.

- SJMurph

[csrakate]

;http://www.bisexual.com/forum/images/styles/lifeElement/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by csrakate
the ones who don't really give a damn about the causes they spout about...they are merely baiting responses that cause dissension...it's not for the greater good of anyone! If you can't play nice on the playground, you simply cannot be allowed to go to recess!

Wrong! It's not surprising you'd try to be an elementary school teaching assistant, or hall monitor for this site since you've got that mentality. ;)

Cute how you put two of my posts, two posts talking about two separate things entirely, as one statement. The latter part of that quote about not playing on the playground was about how I supported Drew for banning Aeon and BV. The first part was about YOU and your thugs. Nice to see you show your colors again Diamond....Your digs at me are in keeping with the comments I used to get from you when you were man enough to use your own posting name.

[Gearbox]

to which the Cowboy replies

Pathetic aren't u Cowboy? Ray is a friend and u really have no idea do u? Except to flame anyone who may get in the way of ur vindictive bile.. u and ur thicko friends stopped me from making a huge mistake.. tyvm for that... I am obliged to u... I will be around every time u open that viscious, nasty, evil, anti bisexual, anti gay, anti heterosexual, anti human cyber gob of urs.. and every time u and ur ilk begin the process of flaming ne 1 with ur own particular brand of unpleasantries, Fran will be there... u know Fran... the misandrist.. the biphobe, the pozphobe.. the bigot.... u just carry it on don't u? Not giving a sod about any1 but urself and ur own warped sense of self and who u hurt, or for what reason... now u gett.. get me banned if u can... cos to stop me standing in ur way u will have to... and u will need better and more convincing lies and distortions about me than u ever did about Joan to succeed... and if Drew does ban me for swallowing u and ur kinds crap and self interested egotistical sludge, then to be honest.. this site isn't worth the time effort and leccy it consumes.. and that I do not and never have believed.

By having a go at Ray, u have just displayed and proven to a whole host of people who may have been on ur side about Joan, that u will try and discredit anyone who as much as blinks in opposition to ur own peculiar brand of bigotry and loathing.. I have always known it.... and as long as I remain a member of this site I make it my mission to open the eyes of every decent member to just what u and ur ilk are about..
Lets get this straight, because I really think it's bizzare: You are going to be a troll? Becaue a friend of yours had a swipe at Drugstore and he swiped back?

This is what I was saying about utter contempt for people because of WHO they are and not WHAT they say or do etc. If you chose to treat people in that manner it is because YOU chose to, and not because you haver a 'higher calling' etc. THAT you know is bolox for any biggot that claims it, for any reason.
Behave as you wish here, that's under Drews discretion. But don't make out your on some kind of mission for the good of the site, or all that doen't agree with you are somehow brainwashed or stupid.
Drugstore didn't get Aeon banned. SHE did that!

[IanBorthwick]

AMEN! For drugstore to go after littleray is a pathetic attempt to shift attention from himself and his merry band of cohorts like bidave and melissa and exsailor. It's about time we recognize the real culprits on this site....the ones who are determined to undercut any sense of harmony....

Breveted for sanity..


So, from this statement I can see your opinion of "Harmony" is "Sit there and take it, you dirty bastard bisexual men who spread disease and dischord, you need to know your place and let us rebrand the whole situation as WE are the victims and not you!"

heh.

Good luck with that.

[csrakate]

Breveted for sanity..


So, from this statement I can see your opinion of "Harmony" is "Sit there and take it, you dirty bastard bisexual men who spread disease and dischord, you need to know your place and let us rebrand the whole situation as WE are the victims and not you!"

heh.

Good luck with that.
Don't you dare put words in my mouth, Ian! That is far from what I said and you know it!!! I believe if you actually read my posts, you would see that I defended bisexual men over and over and I continue to do so. You are so full of crap, Ian....you simply cannot see the truth because you have so much hate inside of you towards women.. I am not the enemy of the bisexual man, Ian....but your anger towards women makes a very poor case for others to positively perceive bisexual men as a group! Hopefully most people will realize that you are not the spokesperson for the group. I know I usually ignore what comes out of your mouth....until you started putting words into mine! Don't do it again!

[DuckiesDarling]

basically to a few of you.. the first vid applies.. to the rest the second. .Hope you get the point cause there is no sarcasm font.


http://youtu.be/ZOmp3HpAGgM


http://youtu.be/uMElCWks1b4

[SJMurph]

IanBorthwik:

Is your position that bisexual men are victims? And if so, how are bisexual men victimized in anyway different than any other men?

[void()]

..and that Voidie.. not once did she ever say nor was it a view she ever painted.... however much they would like u to believe it....

I nearly did because the way she chose to say it appeared to be just that, her painting all bi guys as disease ridden scourge. Like said, had to go back and reread it to understand it wasn't what was said. Instead her opinion was based on risk assessment. I still disagreed with the opinion of disqualifying all bi men for sex. But to each their own as far as being safe goes. Mature adults can agree to disagree.

No real skin off my nose, I do not seek to have sex with women other than my wife. In my opinion she is all the woman I need. does that mean I won't look? No. I will look, I may even do a little friendly flirting. I won't go beyond that with a woman, though. Not interested enough to act. Guess in a way that is like what was posted. To each their own, live and let live.

[SJMurph]

Drugstore:

Did you just get back from your NAMBLA meeting?

[SJMurph]

Void:

I think that was well stated and is likely the majority position and opinion here.

[darkeyes]

Lets get this straight, because I really think it's bizzare: You are going to be a troll? Becaue a friend of yours had a swipe at Drugstore and he swiped back?

This is what I was saying about utter contempt for people because of WHO they are and not WHAT they say or do etc. If you chose to treat people in that manner it is because YOU chose to, and not because you haver a 'higher calling' etc. THAT you know is bolox for any biggot that claims it, for any reason.
Behave as you wish here, that's under Drews discretion. But don't make out your on some kind of mission for the good of the site, or all that doen't agree with you are somehow brainwashed or stupid.
Drugstore didn't get Aeon banned. SHE did that!
We can debate who got who banned and why until we are blue in the face Gear... and we can debate ray v cowboy all u like because that we see very differently too.. but u just cant see what is in front of ur face... I have no "higher" mission to save this site... to open eyes, like yours, to what is really going on sure, because u have been hoodwinked... and played as easily as I can play ludo... and u just cant see it...

[SJMurph]

Gearbox:

I'm not an expert on internet blogging, chatting and postings, so I don't know what a Sock Puppet is or a Troll? Can you provide a clear definition of what each are?

[slipnslide]

We can debate who got who banned and why until we are blue in the face Gear... and we can debate ray v cowboy all u like because that we see very differently too.. but u just cant see what is in front of ur face... I have no "higher" mission to save this site... to open eyes, like yours, to what is really going on sure, because u have been hoodwinked... and played as easily as I can play ludo... and u just cant see it...

Shhhh!

[tenni]

I'm deleting what I had posted. After I wrote my thought, I found out via blackberry email that my best friend's mother just died as I was writing. Life is too important. Sorry, I'm off topic

[Gearbox]

We can debate who got who banned and why until we are blue in the face Gear... and we can debate ray v cowboy all u like because that we see very differently too.. but u just cant see what is in front of ur face... I have no "higher" mission to save this site... to open eyes, like yours, to what is really going on sure, because u have been hoodwinked... and played as easily as I can play ludo... and u just cant see it...
Aeon and BiVirgin got banned for biphobic posts. That's what happened. That is what's infront of both our faces. No need for debate, just read Drews thread about it.
Nobody has hoodwinked me. I'm not part of a conspiracy. I don't have a side, or a sock puppet (I actually do, but they are real actual sock puppets.lol), and I don't attack anybody for any friend. And I'm not attacking you!
I'm fully aware at how easy people can be reduced to non-Human entities, and how 'good intentioned' the 'dehumanizer' can be. It's basically what you wrote that you intend to do with Drugstore.
That IS your choice! I'm simply trying to say "This is where you are, and this is what your doing!". Nobody else is to blame for any negativity you decide to spread.


Gearbox:

I'm not an expert on internet blogging, chatting and postings, so I don't know what a Sock Puppet is or a Troll? Can you provide a clear definition of what each are?
Sock Puppets (as far as I know) was invented by a member of this site who recently came back into action. It's a name for multiple accounts held by one person.
The reason you were accused of being one, is because of the thread you chose to give a synopsis on (this one). Also because you showed no interest in posting, untill Aeon was banned. Even if your not one, you'd be accused, due to the high paranoia climate here.lol
Trolls are manipulators same as sock puppets really. They have fun at others expense, again as far as I know. There's a lot of other things about them that go way over the reccomended dose of 'too much free time' reading. But you can google it.

[void()]

Void:

I think that was well stated and is likely the majority position and opinion here.

I am now very frightened. My views are normally well outside the majority. If not I am usually told I lack articulation and clarity.<sarcasm> I will now go await the ending of the world. My humble apologies to all for causing it.</sarcasm>

[SJMurph]

Void,

Thats because you sold out. You could have been a great artist, but you went and took that desk job where you got your own stapler and tape dispenser. That's all that is important to you now, your stapler. You just sold out man. Now your just owned by the man.

[darkeyes]

That IS your choice! I'm simply trying to say "This is where you are, and this is what your doing!". Nobody else is to blame for any negativity you decide to spread.


There is negativity ok. cant deny that for a second.. the question is where responsibility for that negavitity lies.. none of us are entirely free of that responsibility.. some bear more than others and that is where we differ.. and I don't accuse u of being part of any conspiracy.. I'm not even sure there is one.. but there is a polarisation of view and that polarisation is down to in part misunderstanding and part deliberate misrepresentation of the views of others..

[darkeyes]

Riiiiiiiiight. No agenda at all, yeah right. :rolleyes: Yet you defended Joan/Aeon's misandry, biphobia, and pozphobia and claimed that they did not exist or were not really that bad. Other people here besides myself have also seen you post about how biphobia really isn't that bad and not comparable to homophobia, that it's not really an issue that bisexuals face, and that gays and lesbians simply aren't biphobic. You're the only person here who has been hoodwinked and that happened with you and Aeon/Joan.
If I see any of those faults in anyone I will be as critical as anyone.. I have never defended Joan for any of those things.. I have defended her on the basis that she was none of those things. Huge difference.... Neither have I ever said biphobia is any less bad than homophobia and have not said that it is not comparable... that many gays and lesbians are biphobic, just as they are heterophobic is a fact of life that cannot be denied.. what I have said is that not all are biphobic by a long way.. u can disagree with my views on Joan if u wish, or with anything else I have argued, but I do wish that u would stop the deliberate misrepresentation of it... and the deliberate twisting and misrepresentation of the views of anyone else with whom u choose to disagree says...

[void()]

Void,

Thats because you sold out. You could have been a great artist, but you went and took that desk job where you got your own stapler and tape dispenser. That's all that is important to you now, your stapler. You just sold out man. Now your just owned by the man.

LOL You should not assume to know me so well. I have never been nor will I ever a cubicle bunny. Presently, I'm unemployed and in the process of seeking disability. In effect because I cannot abide stupidity, being in a working environment causing bad PTSD and anxiety flash backs.

Think my wife has one of those dollar store brand mini-staplers, somewhere ... I never use it for anything as she is the one whom handles administrative issues. I have been ruled too mentally incompetent to have a 'handle' on such things. I read too much into everything, have an issue with finding congruency, integrity and bringing it all together. Get upset if it doesn't fit.

Also get upset over large, loud crowds, even frustrate over family that is loud. I did manual blue collar, unskilled labor for thirty five years. Have lived fast, hard. Used to hang forty eight chickens per minute on live hang, now they are only required to do twenty four. It is a bit of joke around me, "oh look, a chicken!" I get distracted easily because I juggle tasks, multitask-ed before it was multitasking. Used to be the sort to finish one thing, move to next in a breath and it was quality work, just quick.

Now, I cannot do as I did. Arthritis, nerve damage, a bit of mistaken drug experimentation, hard and fast living do catch up to a person. I enjoy my morning walks, slow, gentle ones around a three acre field. This week and next I only need one lap around. After that, two, three and so on. I'm told one lap is a quarter mile. I would like to shoot at five miles a day, first comes one. I need to try getting back into shape, drop some weight, control high blood pressure. Gradually I will. One step after another.

But no, I'm not owned by the man unless you count having lived below poverty all one's life as a humble serf as such. Frankly, I don't because I have little want, or desire of anything the man offers. I have health, love, have managed shelter despite it not being exactly where we would like. We eat. Not much else left to want.

Certainly not a stapler or tape dispenser. Sadly, I do not think we have tape dispensers here. We just used rolls of duct tape or electrical for breaks and such. A pocket knife is handy to cut that, bailing twine, open letters, clean nails, cut up meat, whittle, cut fishing line, strip ribbons. Dispenser? Ha! Heard everything now.

[SJMurph]

Void, its all good. If you get that stapler, the swingline is always a preferred staple!

[void()]

Void, its all good. If you get that stapler, the swingline is always a preferred staple!

Meant to tell you, that I was aware of your joking, in chat. You're correct, it's all good. I figured it was at least fun to rib back. But in all seriousness, I don't ever see me as a suited monkey. :)

[BiDaveDtown]

Breveted for sanity.. So, from this statement I can see your opinion of "Harmony" is "Sit there and take it, you dirty bastard bisexual men who spread disease and dischord, you need to know your place and let us rebrand the whole situation as WE are the victims and not you!" heh. Good luck with that. quoted for truth