I'm sure this has been covered before

[freezeplay]

I'd like to know if there are other whether they be male or female that have gone on to gay partners because of terrible relationships with the opposite sex. I'm not sure if that is what is happening to me or whether my true side is getting stronger. I need help please. I love the look and feel of the opposite sex, but my relationships have failed miserably.

[tenni]

I prefer to see it as same sex action rather than gay. I think that there are lots of men over 40 who turn to guys after failed relationships with women. It may take a few m/f relationships to get to that point of frustration or disappointment. They say that they just get tired of the BS and abuse. Their bisexual self may have just been dormant or they may get into same sex action never having thought about it. That is really not relevant. The reality is that yes men do give up on women due to bad relationships and abuse. They just want to sexually relieve their tension and men are so much quicker to do that for them.

Some these guys are only interested in dick and getting off. Some become more open to full body contact and sensual play. Few are looking for a "gay relationship" with a "partner" relationship it seems. There are probably some though.

I don't know about women. Some explore casual sex with men but I don't know how many turn to other women for sexual partners. They may turn to other women for emotional support while men may be less likely turn to another man for emotional support.

[Gearbox]

I was mid/late 30's when I had a tit full of m/f relationships. Didn't want a m/m one either. But I had time to let myself be bi again, and would prefer a m/m one now.
NOT that men are any less psychotic, but a change is as good as a rest.:bigrin:

[The Bisexual Virgin]

I'd like to know if there are other whether they be male or female that have gone on to gay partners because of terrible relationships with the opposite sex. I'm not sure if that is what is happening to me or whether my true side is getting stronger. I need help please. I love the look and feel of the opposite sex, but my relationships have failed miserably.

Well reading from your description of your looks on your profile you seem to be a very handsome guy;). Now let me get to the point of the matter. If you are honest with these women you date about your sexuality, you still have to realize admitting to someone that you are bisexual will always paint you in a different light. I mean take me for an example, look at my name. Whenever I go out on dates (or use to for that matter) and I mention that I am bisexual I usually get a mix reaction from the guys, and please, don't let me started on the fact that I am a virgin to boot, especially at my age, guys would always bring on a whirlwind of questions of "why,how,why not, and do you think I can be your first?":eek: "NO, this is our second date, and keep your hands to yourself." So what I guess I am trying to say is that the reasons why my relationships never last, or my dates end on my bad note, is the guys I end up getting always want more than I am willing to give, especially when I know said guys are looking for a piece of ass, and I realize guys have a problem with that, and they also have a problem with me being to outspoken (I get that a lot).

So maybe you need to sit back and evaluate yourself as to why your relationships with women never last. have you ever wonder why, how can someone have so many husbands/wives get divorced and repeat the same cycle?:female:

[The Bisexual Virgin]

I prefer to see it as same sex action rather than gay. I think that there are lots of men over 40 who turn to guys after failed relationships with women. It may take a few m/f relationships to get to that point of frustration or disappointment. They say that they just get tired of the BS and abuse. Their bisexual self may have just been dormant or they may get into same sex action never having thought about it. That is really not relevant. The reality is that yes men do give up on women due to bad relationships and abuse. They just want to sexually relieve their tension and men are so much quicker to do that for them.

Some these guys are only interested in dick and getting off. Some become more open to full body contact and sensual play. Few are looking for a "gay relationship" with a "partner" relationship it seems. There are probably some though.

I don't know about women. Some explore casual sex with men but I don't know how many turn to other women for sexual partners. They may turn to other women for emotional support while men may be less likely turn to another man for emotional support.

Damn, that's scary, it seems like the whole male population is going gay, because of women. hmmm:rolleyes:. But how do you know that these men contribute to their bad relationships?

[Lay-Lay]

I'd like to know if there are other whether they be male or female that have gone on to gay partners because of terrible relationships with the opposite sex. I'm not sure if that is what is happening to me or whether my true side is getting stronger. I need help please. I love the look and feel of the opposite sex, but my relationships have failed miserably.

That is only for you to decided I know this answer gives you no help at all right now. But when you think about it you will realize that none of what anyone else has to say really matters. But I know that personally I myself self do go to woman for sexual release when I feel like a relationship is failing or has already failed. I have entertained the thought of being with a woman when I was heartbroken by the opposite sex but I have never taken the leap yet. Maybe i will one day when I have lost all hope for the opposite sex.

[tenni]

Damn, that's scary, it seems like the whole male population is going gay, because of women. hmmm:rolleyes:. But how do you know that these men contribute to their bad relationships?

I don't know and they may have not met women's expectations of what a "relationship is". I do know from personal experience that relationships between men and women are challenging for men today. This may be discussed from several angles. It doesn't matter.

I find this to be a reality for some men over 40 whose relationships with women have failed and they decide that it was a bad relationship. They just get fed up. Some men ...say "FUCK IT" I don't want a "relationship" with a "partner", compromises, etc. I just want to get off. Other men function on a similar plane of thinking. Men are just simplier functioning creatures than women.

I would have expected that a woman on a bisexual website would understand that no they are not "going gay". They'll have sex with a woman if it is kept simple and uncomplicated. It is not that they have stopped finding women sexually attractive. Some just enjoy their freedom and they don't seem to want a "relationship" with a man or woman. Later, they may change their mind and look for a m/f relationship again or some may decide to have a relationship with a man. That doesn't mean that they are gay if they are still sexually attracted to women.

[Lay-Lay]

That is only for you to decided I know this answer gives you no help at all right now. But when you think about it you will realize that none of what anyone else has to say really matters. But I know that personally I myself self do go to woman for sexual release when I feel like a relationship is failing or has already failed. I have entertained the thought of being with a woman when I was heartbroken by the opposite sex but I have never taken the leap yet. Maybe i will one day when I have lost all hope for the opposite sex.


Oh and I meant being with a woman in a relationship. I have already taken the leap in being sexually active with women many years ago. Just to be clear.

[The Bisexual Virgin]

I don't know and they may have not met women's expectations of what a "relationship is". I do know from personal experience that relationships between men and women are challenging for men today. This may be discussed from several angles. It doesn't matter.

I find this to be a reality for some men over 40 whose relationships with women have failed and they decide that it was a bad relationship. They just get fed up. Some men ...say "FUCK IT" I don't want a "relationship" with a "partner", compromises, etc. I just want to get off. Other men function on a similar plane of thinking. Men are just simplier functioning creatures than women.

I would have expected that a woman on a bisexual website would understand that no they are not "going gay". They'll have sex with a woman if it is kept simple and uncomplicated. It is not that they have stopped finding women sexually attractive. Some just enjoy their freedom and they don't seem to want a "relationship" with a man or woman. Later, they may change their mind and look for a m/f relationship again or some may decide to have a relationship with a man. That doesn't mean that they are gay if they are still sexually attracted to women.

Damn dude I was only joking with the first part, you did not catch the eye roll sarcastic smiley? Secondly I get so frustrated with saying they are going gay, or might be in a relationship with a man because their failed relationships with women, they always blame the woman, and never ever realize they could be the problem, or they simply they prefer being with men over women, people need to stop finding fault in others in look within themselves, that what the OP needs to do, or hell bite the bullet, and go be with a man it's not that hard anyone can do it.

[Realist]

Few people can take, or give, all the blame in break-ups!

I repeated some of the same acts, even though my 1st marriage didn't succeed, nor did the 2nd and 3rd one!

I'd wasted most of my life, before it dawned on me how to be myself, accept myself, and not to try to connect with anyone who could not accept me, for being me!

I've no one to blame, except me. I see some younger folks, here, making smart decisions much earlier in life and I applaud them.

If I wasn't completely open and honest with myself, or lovers, I was destined to fail....and I did.

I knew better, though. Even when I was in my teens, I had been open about my bisexuality and I enjoyed a few fantastic relationships with lovers who still wanted me.

I'm not sure where I went wrong, but I began to hide my real self. I tried to become someone who others wanted me to be. I artificially changed myself, even thought I knew, deep down, that someday I would have to come clean, and/or leave. Keeping secrets and molding myself to suit other's vision of me, never helped me be happy, not once!

I was an old man...67.....when I said that's enough and began coming clean about who I was and am. Even at that age, I was rewarded for my truthfulness by meeting a lady who came to love me, understands me, stands by me..even thought I told her the truth! I love her for that and much more!

I could have just as easily met a guy, with whom I could have opened up to. I think I would have been just as happy with any gender.

Really, only YOU can answer your questions...all we can do is share some thoughts, history, and advice, but in the end, you are the one who knows what you need to do.

Good luck with that!

[tenni]

Damn dude I was only joking with the first part, you did not catch the eye roll sarcastic smiley? Secondly I get so frustrated with saying they are going gay, or might be in a relationship with a man because their failed relationships with women, they always blame the woman, and never ever realize they could be the problem, or they simply they prefer being with men over women, people need to stop finding fault in others in look within themselves, that what the OP needs to do, or hell bite the bullet, and go be with a man it's not that hard anyone can do it.


I saw the eyeroll. Sorry, I didn't interpret it the way you intended. I agree that as far as how/why the relationship ended, it doesn't matter in the case of the OP. If women wish to blame their male partners that is fine. The OP asked if some turn to same sex after a bitter end to a relationship. I say that a lot of men do turn to men for sex..not love as often as sexual release. Most see themselves as hetero. No men where I live say that they are going gay. You may not like it but that is what some men are doing (actions not words). Sorry, that you are frustrated that men are not living up to your expectations. That is the problem isn't it. Different expectations? Chill. You must have better things to get frustrated over that impact your life more directly?

Do women have this need for sexual release and turn to other women? So far no one has said that they do.

[Long Duck Dong]

Damn dude I was only joking with the first part, you did not catch the eye roll sarcastic smiley? Secondly I get so frustrated with saying they are going gay, or might be in a relationship with a man because their failed relationships with women, they always blame the woman, and never ever realize they could be the problem, or they simply they prefer being with men over women, people need to stop finding fault in others in look within themselves, that what the OP needs to do, or hell bite the bullet, and go be with a man it's not that hard anyone can do it.

it is something that I have noticed as a common theme in this site, the " bisexual males rights " and how its the fault of the " monosexual "

for some bisexual / gay males, they realise their * true * sexuality later in life, not cos of their partner or a bad relationship, but one day they just "wake up " and realise that their world is different, they think and feel differently.....

I know a few guys and females that have done that.... and their mannerism and ways of thinking are so different to gay / bi people that are always playing the "blame game " and it appears to have a lot to do with themselves and their understanding of their reality shifting and changing, as opposed to people that are using other people as the reason for their sexuality and shift in understanding......

I also know a couple of lesbians ( self identified ) that become lesbians after sexual violation and abuse at the hands of males, and its harder with them to get a general idea of they are lesbians as a * true * sexuality or bisexuals that have suppressed any male desire, or heterosexual females that have oppressed any interest in males and *complete * themselves with people of the same gender.....


if there is one thing that I have noticed clearly, its that people that are settled in themselves and at peace with themselves and who they are, very rarely find fault in others sexuality or the understanding of others in regards to relationships and lifestyle choices.......

laying the blame on people by way of sexuality or lifestyle, etc, generally is the trademark signs of people that are not able to reconcile themselves and their lifestyle with society....so they hold society responsible for the issues in their lives, never themselves.... a bit like the " I cheat but its my wives fault, and I am discreet cos its societies fault and others can not live their lives the way they should be living cos they are brainwashed and living according to the heterosexual traditional social moral monosexual ( insert reason to blame others ) "

[The Bisexual Virgin]

I saw the eyeroll. Sorry, I didn't interpret it the way you intended. I agree that as far as how/why the relationship ended, it doesn't matter in the case of the OP. If women wish to blame their male partners that is fine. The OP asked if some turn to same sex after a bitter end to a relationship. I say that a lot of men do turn to men for sex..not love as often as sexual release. Most see themselves as hetero. No men where I live say that they are going gay. You may not like it but that is what some men are doing (actions not words). Sorry, that you are frustrated that men are not living up to your expectations. That is the problem isn't it. Different expectations? Chill. You must have better things to get frustrated over that impact your life more directly?

Do women have this need for sexual release and turn to other women? So far no one has said that they do.

I am not getting frustrated over men preferring to fuck other men it's their business not mine. And yes the world is changing as we speak, both genders are not communicating like they use to, I don't know if it;s the men's fault or the women's but it seems like everyone giving up on each other, or they to selfish to care about others. And by the way if a man like fucking a man then he is gay. It does matter how much you sugar coat it at the end the day it is what is.

[The Bisexual Virgin]

it is something that I have noticed as a common theme in this site, the " bisexual males rights " and how its the fault of the " monosexual "

for some bisexual / gay males, they realise their * true * sexuality later in life, not cos of their partner or a bad relationship, but one day they just "wake up " and realise that their world is different, they think and feel differently.....

I know a few guys and females that have done that.... and their mannerism and ways of thinking are so different to gay / bi people that are always playing the "blame game " and it appears to have a lot to do with themselves and their understanding of their reality shifting and changing, as opposed to people that are using other people as the reason for their sexuality and shift in understanding......

I also know a couple of lesbians ( self identified ) that become lesbians after sexual violation and abuse at the hands of males, and its harder with them to get a general idea of they are lesbians as a * true * sexuality or bisexuals that have suppressed any male desire, or heterosexual females that have oppressed any interest in males and *complete * themselves with people of the same gender.....


if there is one thing that I have noticed clearly, its that people that are settled in themselves and at peace with themselves and who they are, very rarely find fault in others sexuality or the understanding of others in regards to relationships and lifestyle choices.......

laying the blame on people by way of sexuality or lifestyle, etc, generally is the trademark signs of people that are not able to reconcile themselves and their lifestyle with society....so they hold society responsible for the issues in their lives, never themselves.... a bit like the " I cheat but its my wives fault, and I am discreet cos its societies fault and others can not live their lives the way they should be living cos they are brainwashed and living according to the heterosexual traditional social moral monosexual ( insert reason to blame others ) "

Thank you, my point exactly. This is "The blame others society and not see your own faults because you don't have none" society now. And when it comes to men and cheating is always the woman's fault and vice versa. cheaters always want to blame others for being cheaters. Just like few of the girls I know are setting at home with their baby daddy's kids, while he's fucking men, and maybe women and she have no clue what's he's doing, and when he get's outed guess who fault it is? yep that's right it's, hers for not being what he truly wanted, yep it's always the woman's fault.

That's why now in today's society, love between men and women are a BIG BULLSHIT LIE. And every should be better off being by themselves.

[tenni]

"And by the way if a man like fucking a man then he is gay."

Uh...you realize that this is a bisexual website?:eek: :tong::bigrin:
I didn't write anything about fucking men.

Men who decide not to be involved with women for now or anymore are still sexually attracted and interested in women physically. They still look at women with lust. They still have dreams about having sex with women. They want a break from women and what women demand of men today. Some believe that they have been abused by women. If a woman wants to be a fuck buddy, some guys will do that too. Some want their freedom and independence from any form of a relationship(male or female). They open up their options for a combination of reasons.

That sounds like a bisexual to me.

[The Bisexual Virgin]

"And by the way if a man like fucking a man then he is gay."

Uh...you realize that this is a bisexual website?:eek: :tong::bigrin:
I didn't write anything about fucking men.

Men who decide not to be involved with women for now or anymore are still sexually attracted and interested in women physically. They still look at women with lust. They still have dreams about having sex with women. They want a break from women and what women demand of men today. Some believe that they have been abused by women. If a woman wants to be a fuck buddy, some guys will do that too. Some want their freedom and independence from any form of a relationship(male or female). They open up their options for a combination of reasons.

That sounds like a bisexual to me.

But you mention something about men wanting to get their rocks off with other men. I get what you are saying, but I am saying people like to blame other for their faults and not themselves.

[tenni]

Why must you blame people?

There are always at least two sides(perspectives) to every event. Just look at any divorce situation. The reality is that some middle age men are chosing not to enter into another relationship with women for periods that may be short or long. They are releasing sexual tension with other men or women who are not looking for a "monogamous relationship". That is the fact.

That was the purpose of this thread.

[The Bisexual Virgin]

Just look at any divorce situation. The reality is that some middle age men are chosing not to enter into another relationship with women for period that may be short or long. That is the fact.

Yeah I know it's a fact. like the fact that most women don't want to deal with the bullshit that men come with, and the same can be said for men. But men rarely see what they do wrong in the relationships they have with women. The fact is communication is no longer alive in today's society, and understanding is out the fucking window. And this is just my:2cents:

:bigrin:

[tenni]

Well, yes there are sociological changes in society. This is part of that change.

It seems to me that you are trying to blame men?

Both genders may feel discouraged and not want to deal with the bullshit of monogamous heterosexual traditional relationships. These relationships are failing at a great percentage in North America. When they fail, some men look for an alternative. I don't think that this is wrong from a bisexual angle? Monogamy and heterosexuality is not for everyone.

You seem to be making very broad sweeping negative statements about men. Have you had a very negative relationship with a man(men) and that is what brings you to bisexuality as well?

[Long Duck Dong]

Just look at any divorce situation. The reality is that some middle age men are chosing not to enter into another relationship with women for period that may be short or long. That is the fact.

Yeah I know it's a fact. like the fact that most women don't want to deal with the bullshit that men come with, and the same can be said for men. But men rarely see what they do wrong in the relationships they have with women. The fact is communication is no longer alive in today's society, and understanding is out the fucking window. And this is just my:2cents:

:bigrin:

you mean that facebook is not communication ???:tong: damm I need to go tweet my partner and tell her that :tong::tong:

you are correct tho.... with the creation of social networks on the internet, there has been a increasing decline in social ( real life ) interaction and people making a effort with personal contact ( emails affecting the postal system is a example )

in a lot of ways, social networking has its pros... and yes its cons.... I can reach half way around the world to talk with friends with a few clicks but thats less time talking with the people in my life like my family that live near me ( thats actually a bad example as my parents are not LGBT friendly so I try to limit contact with them )

over the years I have noticed a increasing trend of people sick of slaving their asses off maintaining mortgages and marriages that have gone stale... and that too is reflected in the findings that marriage has fallen below the 50% mark as more and more people prefer the single yet together lifestyle, as they retain their freedoms, while having a partner....

is it a good thing or a bad thing... well that comes down to the people themselves.... and each situation is different..... but its very possible that marriage may well become something of a minority aspect in peoples lives over the next 50 years if current trends continue....

[Realist]

Virgin,

I can't help but think you are kind of on the outside, looking in.

You're making a lot of "factoid" statements, not from experience, but because of observations from afar.

If you truly are a virgin, I don't believe you can really understand how life, relationships, and loving is, unless you've been there, done that, too.

You often say that EVERYONE is a certain way, or does a certain thing, when rarely does EVERYONE follow the same path. There are always those who follow different paths.

Sure, there's a lot of assholes in this world, but I promise you, there are many of the best humans possible, too. No gender has the exclusivity for good, or bad.

Negativity, is a magnet for human negativity; unlike electricity, where negative attracts positive.

If you'd relax some, and quit being so focused on accusing others of being less than stellar, maybe you could develop a brighter outlook and find peace and happiness.

Freezeplay, I'm sorry.......I and others have hijacked your thread and it's not about your questions any more!

What was the question again?

[The Bisexual Virgin]

Virgin,

I can't help but think you are kind of on the outside, looking in.

You're making a lot of "factoid" statements, not from experience, but because of observations from afar.

If you truly are a virgin, I don't believe you can really understand how life, relationships, and loving is, unless you've been there, done that, too.

You often say that EVERYONE is a certain way, or does a certain thing, when rarely does EVERYONE follow the same path. There are always those who follow different paths.

Sure, there's a lot of assholes in this world, but I promise you, there are many of the best humans possible, too. No gender has the exclusivity for good, or bad.

Negativity, is a magnet for human negativity; unlike electricity, where negative attracts positive.

If you'd relax some, and quit being so focused on accusing others of being less than stellar, maybe you could develop a brighter outlook and find peace and happiness.

Freezeplay, I'm sorry.......I and others have hijacked your thread and it's not about your questions any more!

What was the question again?

Well forgive me, if I came off a little bitchy:(. And for the record just because I am a virgin does not mean I have not done anything sexually, there are many ways to play around in the field without actually giving up your treasure. And although I had few experiences with some assholes, they still left a bad impression on me, and I do realize that should get over that, and I have. I realize that I can be negative, and maybe I could stop prejudging people, but if I don't I might get burned like I have before.

And to the OP, I hope you find happiness either with the opposite sex, the same sex, or hell just by yourself

[The Bisexual Virgin]

is it a good thing or a bad thing... well that comes down to the people themselves.... and each situation is different..... but its very possible that marriage may well become something of a minority aspect in peoples lives over the next 50 years if current trends continue....
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Yeah it does seem like a big fad that everyone get's married, and then divorce shortly. Maybe I could do that just for the hell of it. I have always loved weddings.:tong: