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glantern954
May 7, 2006, 9:03 AM
I have been struggling with some of the stuff mentioned below and thought I would post this for anyone else who might be feeling the same way.

The paragraphs below originally appeared in the book Bisexuality:
The Psychology and Politics of an Invisible Minority. Ed. Beth A.
Firestein, pp. 217-239. (Sage, 1996)


INTERNALIZED BIPHOBIA


Biphobia does not only come from the outside.
Internalized biphobia can be powerful, sometimes overpowering, and
the experience of isolation, illegitimacy, shame, and confusion felt
by many bisexuals can be disempowering, even disabling. What
contributes to internalized biphobia and how does internalized
biphobia manifest?

Even today, with modest improvements in this area,
there are few role models available to bisexual individuals. An
individual coming to terms with a bisexual identity is likely to
feel a powerful sense of isolation. Bisexuals are rarely mentioned
or represented in mainstream or in the lesbian and gay media. In
most parts of the United States, there are no organized groups for
bisexual people. Except in the largest cities, one cannot walk into
a neighborhood bookstore and find resources on bisexuality. Due to
bisexual invisibility and the paucity of bisexual role models or
bisexual community, most bisexuals develop and maintain their
bisexual identities in isolation.

Most bisexuals spend a majority of their time in the
community that corresponds with the sex of their romantic partner.
This can result in a sense of discontinuity if we change partners
and our next partner is of a different sex, or if we shift back and
forth between two differing communities over time. Other bisexuals
have a strong social affiliation with either a heterosexual,
lesbian, or gay community. This can result in another set of
conflicts: a feeling that if our partner is not of the "correct"
sex, that we are in some way doing a disservice to our community,
with resulting feelings of guilt or shame at having `betrayed' our
friends and community. Several of the contributors to anthologies
of writings by bisexuals discuss the isolation, confusion, fear,
shame, and denial that they experienced upon discovering their
attraction to people of the "wrong" sex. (e.g., Aranow, 1991;
Blasingame, 1992; Bryant, 1991; A. Fox, 1991; LeGrant, 1991; Ochs,
1991, 1992; Utz, 1991; Young, 1992).

Many people privately identify as bisexual, but to
avoid conflict and preserve their ties to a treasured community,
choose to label themselves publicly as lesbian, gay, or straight,
further contributing to bisexual invisibility. These women and men
feel terror at the thought of being cast out or ostracized from the
community from which they derive their support, nourishment, and
sense of self. Especially among lesbian- and gay-identified
bisexuals, this feeling that claiming a bisexual identity can be
very powerful, leading bisexuals to feel like imposters, outsiders,
or second-class citizens in both lesbian/gay and heterosexual
communities. Bisexuals frequently experience themselves as existing
in two different worlds and not fully fitting in either, what
Rebecca Shuster (1991) has termed "a feeling of political and
personal homelessness" (p. 267).

Therefore, it is not surprising that some bisexuals
feel that their bisexual desire is more a burden than a gift in
their life. They may feel a pressure or a wish to make a choice
between heterosexuality and homosexuality to make their lives easier
and avoid internal and external conflict. Many desire the ease they
imagine would come with having one clear, fixed, socially acceptable
identity. As one woman said, "Being bisexual is a major conflict in
my life. It involves more pain than pleasure. ... I would prefer to
be one or the other. I don't care which. I would just like one
clear identity. That would be a lot simpler." (quoted in Zipkin,
1992, p. 59)

Clearly, issues of shame pervade the difficulties
bisexuals face in attempting to form a positive, well-integrated
bisexual identity. Because an individual member of an oppressed
group is frequently seen as representative of all of the members of
that group, a bisexual-identified person may feel a sense of shame
when any bisexual person behaves in such a way as to reinforce
negative stereotypes of bisexual people. Furthermore, a bisexual
individual may feel a profound sense of shame when her own behavior
happens to mirror one of the existing stereotypes of bisexual. For
example, a woman leaving a relationship with a woman who
subsequently gets involved with a man might feel a strong sense of
guilt that she is reinforcing the negative stereotypes held about
bisexuals in general. In a comparable manner, a man who is
nonmonogamous in his relationships might feel a compounded sense of
guilt, both because mainstream culture looks negatively upon
individuals of any sexual orientation who choose to live a
polyamorous lifestyle, and because his personal actions feed an
existing stereotype of bisexuals. Individuals in such situations
may feel that they are in some way betraying their entire identity
group. Although some bisexual people do behave in ways which
conform to negative stereotypes about bisexuals, it is actually the
dynamics of prejudice that cause others to use such actions to
justify their stereotyping and prejudicial behavior.

Ironically, bisexual individuals in monogamous
relationships may also experience difficulties, feeling that their
maintenance of a bisexual identity constitutes a double betrayal of
both their community of primary identification (whether heterosexual
or homosexual), and of their partner. Alternatively, the partner of
the bisexual person may feel that a bisexual person's decision to
continue to identify as bisexual, despite the fact of being in a
monogamous relationship, is somehow a withholding of full commitment
to the relationship. The bisexual person may be perceived as
holding onto the possibility of other relationships by maintaining a
bisexual identity and, therefore, not fully committed to the current
relationship. This overlooks the fact that one's identity is, in
actuality, separate from particular choices made about relationship
involvement or monogamy. For example, a heterosexual's ability to
establish and maintain a committed relationship with one person is
not assumed to falter even though the person retains a sexual
identity as "heterosexual" and may admit to feeling attractions to
other people despite his or her committed status.

This pressure can come not only from one's lover,
but also from parents or other interested parties who want the
bisexual person to stop "holding out" or a feeling that the bisexual
person is making much ado about nothing by holding onto his or her
bisexual identity. A bisexual in this position may feel a great
deal of guilt and self-doubt, which can manifest as identity "flip-
flopping." A woman may say, "If I am in love with a man, then
perhaps I am really straight." If, some years later she is involved
with a woman she may then say, "If I am in love with a woman, I must
really be a lesbian" The road to a positive, affirming bisexual
identity is a long and arduous journey. Our conditioning,
invisibility, and the negative images which surround us make it
extremely difficult to feel an unqualified sense of pride in ours
bisexuality.

SUGGESTIONS FOR CHANGE
Given the myriad obstacles, both internal and
external, discussed above, how can a bisexual person come to a
positive bisexual identity? According to therapist A. Fox (1991),
the necessary ingredients are "permission, recognition, validation,
support and (ideally) community acceptance" (p. 34). These factors
must come primarily from inside oneself, but external acceptance and
validation are also extremely important. Having the opportunity to
make a connection with other bisexual people is usually a pivotal
event for individuals struggling to come to terms with their
bisexual identity. Such contact helps people by contradicting their
feelings of isolation and imparting a vital sense of empowerment.
One way this may be accomplished by involvement in a bisexual or bi-
supportive organization (Ambrosino, 1991; Arnesen, 1991; Brown,
1991; Nelson, 1991; Ochs, 1991; Schneider, 1991; Woodard, 1991;
Zipkin, 1992). For those who live in areas that have existing
organizations, this is relatively easy to accomplish. Those who
live in isolated areas are not, however, without resources. There
are now bisexual newsletters and publications such as the Bisexual
Resource Guide, electronic mail lists for bisexuals, and several
books presenting the experiences of bisexuals, such as Bi Any Other
Name: Bisexual People Speak Out, edited by Loraine Hutchins and Lani
Ka'ahumanu (1991) and Closer to Home: Bisexuality and Feminism,
edited by Elizabeth Reba Weise (1992). Validation and support can
also come from friends, therapists, and other service providers who
are able to affirm and fully validate a bisexual person's identity,
relationships, and choices.

Silence kills. I encourage bisexual people to come
out as bisexual to the maximum extent that they can do so safely.
Life in the closet takes an enormous toll on our emotional well-
being. Bisexuals must remember that neither bisexuals nor gays and
lesbians created heterosexism, and that as bisexuals, we are its
victims as well as potential beneficiaries. Although we must be
aware of when we, as bisexuals, sometimes have privileges that have
been denied to gays, lesbians, and transgendered persons of any
orientation, this simply calls for us to make thoughtful decisions
about how to live our lives. We did not create the inequities, and
we must not feel guilty for who we are; we need only be responsible
for what we do.

All of us, bisexual, lesbian, gay and transgendered,
must resist getting lost in the "divide and conquer" strategy that
we are invited to participate in by the dominant culture. There is
no long-term benefit in creating a hierarchy of oppressions.
Bisexuals, along with lesbians, gay men, and supportive
heterosexuals, can only gain by opening up our minds and hearts to
celebrate the true diversity that exists among us. Our movement
must not limit itself to constructing a space of acceptance for
homosexual relationships only when they are an exact mirror image of
traditional heterosexual relationships; rather, its potential
strength lies in creating a space where the full spectrum of our
relationships is respected and valued, including those that are
unlike our own, and including those which we do not personally
understand and would not choose for ourselves. We must remember
how unique each person is, and also how much we share in common.
Labels can unite us, but they can also stifle us and constrict our
thinking when we forget that they are merely tools. Human beings
are complex, and labels will never be adequate to the task of
accurately representing us. It is impossible to reduce a lifetime
of experience to a single word.

If biphobia and homophobia are not allowed to blind
us we can move beyond our fears and learn to value our differences
as well as our similarities. Pretending to be other than we really
are, or trying to force others to pretend to be other than they
really are, will not, in the long term, make any of us safer.

smokey
May 7, 2006, 9:20 AM
AWK!!! That is just too much to deal with first thing in the morning. Burden or gift? Hmmm...neither, just is. On one hand I have thought life would be much simplier if I were either straight or gay but at the same time it has opened my mind and given me a far larger sexual palate to work with than either/or. I gave up worrying about what others thought of me years ago so that isn't even an issue. Burden or gift? Neither, just is. It is obviously an intimate part of who I am and as such I wouldn't be me without it. Just is.

julie
May 7, 2006, 12:51 PM
i cant absorb all those words either glantern..

but your question: 'is bisexuality a burden or gift?' pushes so many buttons for me..

today it feels a burden.. today i just want to be in a monogamous relationship because that feels quite challenging enough, quite honestly.. But i'm bisexual... i ache for a womans touch.. so much. And the man i am with.. who i am so very fond of and committed to..is also bisexual and aches, so much, for a mans touch...

this isn't particularly about sex.. these desires run far far deeper than gender or genitalia.. For both of us it is about a deeper intimacy that is almost primal.. and today.. after 10 months of just building a friendship with each other.. i finally found the resourses within myself to explore opening ourselves up and no longer suppressing the possibility of acting on our same sex desires...

and i'm scared.. and i know it has to happen for our friendship to move on and be inclusive in celebrating our bisexuality..which to be fair..brought us together in the first place...

I want to be enough for him and yet how can i be?.. and am so very scared of even exploring my own desires beyond what he meets in me...

Yet i live to serve love..not fear.. and it is only fear which holds me back in my daring to be true to who i am.. and giving my blessing for him to be true to who he is...

so although the burden of having to face scenarios like these weighs so heavy on my heart... the gift of having so much more unexplored territory within ourselves feels like an awesome adventure to pursue within our unique friendship.....

thanks for the question glantern

julie :female:

jedinudist
May 7, 2006, 12:58 PM
Hmmmmmmm...

I would have to say that my Bisexuality is for me... a burdenous gift!

For others in our world who are small minded zealots.... a burden ;)

tom_uk
May 7, 2006, 2:39 PM
today burden :- (

tom

julie
May 7, 2006, 3:29 PM
Hmmmmmmm...

I would have to say that my Bisexuality is for me... a burdenous gift!

For others in our world who are small minded zealots.... a burden ;)

i dont believe that only small minded zealots can find their bisexuality a burden married_bi_memphis....
:2cents:

Biboz49
May 7, 2006, 6:37 PM
For me it's a gift, and it's not a burden. I enjoy being bi. I'm content to be in the closet to some and out to others. I like what I am and when I'm with others that are like me then all the better. Whats so difficult about that?

Sparks
May 7, 2006, 7:58 PM
With all due respect. . . way too much mental mastubation here. Bi, gay, st8, if it's a burden then you're not sharing. :2cents:

BiButterfly
May 7, 2006, 10:32 PM
I think being bisexual is a gift. Because i know myself that i 'make love' to the 'person' not their gender. I would like to believe that we, as bisexuals, are free from the confines of having to 'lump' ourselves in the limited groups of either gay, lesbian and straights. And for me it isn't just about the sex (which is good i must admit) it is deeper than that! I feel that what i get emotinally from my bisexual male partner is different to what i get emotionally from another woman. And he feels the same thing in reverse. The 'burden' of being bisexual is held by the 'non bisexuals' , because they think (and sometimes try to encourage us) to choose. We don't need to choose... bisexual is natural and loving for both genders. Gawd... sorry i am rambling... i hope i have made sense. :)

Nara_lovely
May 7, 2006, 10:45 PM
The challenge is to understand and know yourself, despite the society and labels. Being yourself can be as much of a burden at times. So many friends who are not happy with who they are! They exist in life. They follow all the 'rules' and yet, have no idea where they are headed.

Sexual orientation is one part (yes more significant to some than others) of the whole. If it's seen as a 'burden' then I'm guessing the journey is still in progress. So yeehaa and search for the true self and enjoy the journey. SO worth it!!!

woolleygirl
May 7, 2006, 10:46 PM
It is both for me. A burder cause it is something that I hide from those I love knowing full well that they are small minded zealots but they are my family. But it is also a wonderful gift that has opened up a whole world of possiblities and emotions that make me feel that I am a whole person. I don't if I could choose one over the other but I do know that it will change me for the better :) .

T

Lorcan
May 7, 2006, 10:49 PM
Internalized biphobia can be powerful, sometimes overpowering, and
the experience of isolation, illegitimacy, shame, and confusion felt
by many bisexuals can be disempowering, even disabling.

Sometimes it's a burden because i feel isolated. Nobody ever says they're bisexual. (except me) And i'm talking in real life, not on the net. I wear my bi beads but i dont know if anyone recognizes them for what they are.

But i can't imagine being monosexual.

Azrael
May 8, 2006, 12:38 AM
Gift. End of flipping discussion. Move along people, Nothing to see here :bigrin:

Love to all,
Tom aka the recently relationshipless- but really. I'm OK now- soon in a bit the reality of it will bitchslap me- but I'll deal with that when it comes :cool:

CountryLover
May 8, 2006, 1:04 AM
I love being bisexual. It's a gift in my life, not a burden at all. It just *is* as one person put it, but I enjoy it immensely, the same as I enjoy being tall.

Mimi
May 8, 2006, 1:43 AM
Although at times it can be such a lonely and difficult experience to have to defend yourself to the monosexuals, all and all I am happy to be bisexual. I believe that it makes me understand men and women better, that it makes me more feminist or "gender fair" and that I can experience having boyfriends and girlfriends when the monosexuals can only experience one. :)

And I agree with the book in the sense that in order to not sink into the background, we need to come out as much as we can and to seek support from others, both online and offline. Because, godd*mnit, bisexuality exists and there are tons of us out there!!!!

Mimi :flag1:

seawind0721
May 8, 2006, 1:55 AM
Hey folks, first-time poster here.

For me, being bisexual is both a gift, and a burden. It is a gift, in that I do not limit myself as to whom I give & recieve love, comfort, pleasure, etc. It is a burden, however, because living in Red-State Hell (AKA Arkansas), it's kinda touchy (read: hazardous in many ways) to be "out". So far, only a select group of friends and "family" know. May change that soon, though.
:bipride:

onewhocares
May 8, 2006, 7:12 AM
I do believe that bisexuality is a gift, a gift we give ourselves. To love another, either male or female is the joy in life, just to love. To be so lucky as to be loved by another, that is a wonderful gift.

Belle

glantern954
May 8, 2006, 9:18 AM
Sometimes it is a gift, but lately it feels like a burden. For the past few years I have been active in our Bi Community here in South Florida.

One of the most common topics is how poorly we are treated by other communities and how often we have to hear "bisexuals don't exist".

So I have tried to organize pride events and they are swiftly met with a complete lack of interest. Discussions about our place in the GLBT community often reveal that many bisexuals don't really wan't to be considered part of the Gay and Lesbian community. Frequently the reasons for this are also homophobic.

I have kind of reached a point where I feel powerless to try and make things better. Every time I hear complaints about how bisexuals are treated I feel like we have no right to complain when as a group we won't do anything to try and improve things.

I think I have come to the conclusion that bisexuals will not make any progress until Gays and Lesbians are accepted as a group and more bisexuals are comfortable enough to be seen and heard by the people that think we don't exist.

warmpuppy
May 8, 2006, 9:35 AM
IMHO, there are two categories of bisexuality:

a. People who have a predisposition to develop a strong emotional bond with persons from either gender. People in this category can fall in love with either a man or a woman. Most were born bisexual, and don't really have a choice to be totally straight.

b. People who engage in bisexual behaviour mostly for sexual gratification. People in this category are basically incapable of falling in love with someone of their gender, but will have same-gender sex for the excitement, the mystery, the taboo, the intensity, etc. I probably fall into this category.

I believe that bisexuality can be a burden for those in the first category, much less so for the second. When a person's bisexuality is based on a natural predisposition, some can develop psychological challenges similar to those encountered by totally gay people. I don't think the same can be said for those of us who are into it by choice for physical reasons.

:three:

Whippersnap
May 8, 2006, 11:04 AM
I have known form high school that I was bi and have enjoyed it to the extreme. My wife knows too and is supportive. However, it is a burden, especially when family would never accept it if they knew or if you live in an area where it is hidden. I find it frustrating both physically and mentaly. I myself could never emotionly "love" a man as I do a women so for me being bi is a physical need, desire and enjoyment. When I lived in a large metro area it was easy to be bi and to keep it from those who I worked with or socialized with, in other words, I led two lifes where I could keep each side away from the other. For me, even though I enjoy having sex with a male, it has been more of a burden.

jedinudist
May 8, 2006, 12:12 PM
i dont believe that only small minded zealots can find their bisexuality a burden married_bi_memphis....
:2cents:


I agree, but still- to me, my Bisexuality is both a gift and a burden which is why I called it a burdenous gift.

Yes, there are others who are not small minded zealots to whom my sexual orientation could be a burden I have no doubt. However, those folks are few and far between, and the only one of them I am truly concerned about is my wife.

Most of the folks who have an issue with my sexual orientation appear to be small minded zealots eager to convert me to monosexuality (New term I got here ;) ) or just to tell me how terrible the Hell I am supposedly going to is going to be.

julie
May 8, 2006, 3:01 PM
I agree, but still- to me, my Bisexuality is both a gift and a burden which is why I called it a burdenous gift.

Yes, there are others who are not small minded zealots to whom my sexual orientation could be a burden I have no doubt. However, those folks are few and far between, and the only one of them I am truly concerned about is my wife.

Most of the folks who have an issue with my sexual orientation appear to be small minded zealots eager to convert me to monosexuality (New term I got here ;) ) or just to tell me how terrible the Hell I am supposedly going to is going to be.

I'm sorry, married bi memphis...

i was a wee bit raw when i responded to your posting... i had just poured out my anguish about how being bi makes monogamy so much more difficult ..and tom_uk seemingly was in similar mode..

and maybe i over-reacted to your seeming insensitivity..

you comment that the only person you are truly concerned about.. who may feel burdened by your sexual orientation..would be your wife.... likewise the only people i, was referring to was, the impact on, myself and my sexual partner.

and i was feeling tetchy .. n you got it in the neck! grrr :(.. when actually.. i think we were saying the same thing :rolleyes:

julie:female:

anne27
May 8, 2006, 4:43 PM
I agree with CountryLover, it is a part of me, like my green eyes or my funny looking toes. It just *is*. There are times in anyone's life where they'd rather be other than what they are, but by and far, being satisified and happy with the cards you were dealt lends to greater piece of mind.

:2cents:

KatieBi
May 8, 2006, 4:45 PM
Hmmm...tough one for me because my answer really just depends on the kind of day/week/month I'm having.

I've definitely experienced lots of the feelings of guilt/confusion/betrayal/invisibility/isolation described in the original post over the years and I don't think that is ever going to change. Especially since even identifying myself as bisexual to those around me (straight or gay/lesbian) doesn't mean I'll always be believed (suprisingly, some of my most understanding and gay-positive friends turn out to be the ones who believe bi's don't exist). That's the burden part of it. But the gift part is definitely being able to love anyone and to appreciate what "the opposite sex" (in my case men) enjoy about people of my sex (women). I appreciate great (loving, well-matched) heterosexual couples (figuratively, not literally, in my case) in a way I don't think my het. friends do because it's easy to imagine how great it must be to be the partner of either partner, respectively.

timsgfdmo
May 8, 2006, 5:07 PM
Burden. Several years ago when I decided I wanted to expand my sexuality to include men I thought I would be opening up to more opportunity. When I stared to consider men in a sexual way I was amazed at how attractive a man's body is. A woman can fake sexual excitement a man cant. Also a cock is really unique. To go from soft and small to large with hard shaft but still soft head. It is truely amazing looking and feeling when you consider most sex organs of women are internal. Men are just so exposed and raw by the way they are designed.

I have found that when I thought I ws opening myself to more frequent and varied sex it instead has reduced my sex life. Bisexuality in males is threatening to many women whether it is the wife of a couple your trying to establish an intimate friendship with or women you are interested in dating. It tends to drive off more quality people then it attracts. Male bisexuals are seen as a bigger risk for stds than women bisexuals. There are some men, more than women, who are complete whores and do nothing to protect themselves their partners or future partners that are attracted. Those types are easy to attract but are not desirable unless you have a death wish. It is extremely difficult to find monogamous or at least prudent bisexuals. It is easier to find gay men who are monogamous but I dont want to identify with that community in public.

I have not been a frequent participant in bi sex and am getting less active in looking for partners. I have had for several years a fantasy to establish an intimate friendship with a married couple. Despite my efforts it has not panned out and I realize it is probably not in the cards for me.

timsgfdmo
May 8, 2006, 5:19 PM
If your a female bisexuality is generally seen more favorable by society. Therefore I would think it would be less of a burden for women bisexuals. Almost all straight porn has the girl on girl scene. A lot of guys would be turned on if their girl friend was bi. That is a fantasy for a lot of men. So if your a male bisexuality is I think more of a burden than if you are a female bisexual.

glantern954
May 8, 2006, 7:17 PM
Lets just say it can be a burden for different reasons.

I am guessing many bisexual females would NOT consider it less of a burden to have their bisexuality controlled by some guy with a boner looking for HIS entertainment.

Mimi
May 8, 2006, 7:24 PM
I am guessing many bisexual females would NOT consider it less of a burden to have their bisexuality controlled by some guy with a boner looking for HIS entertainment.
thank you! although it appears that bi women are "more accepted" in this society, i think we're used as "recreational aids" for heterosexual men. it's assumed that the bi woman is "truly" heterosexual underneath and that her feelings for women are "just for fun." personally, i hate coming out to straight men because they immediately start objectifying me and thinking, "hmmm.... maybe she'll do me and my girlfriend." it is heterosexism and sexism rolled into one.

timsgfdmo
May 8, 2006, 9:41 PM
Mimi,

I would trade you problems. I would love to be objectified by someone. At least that would mean that someone knows I exist and want to have sex with me. In Maslowe's Hierarchy of Needs lack of intimate relations is far more serious a problem than being objectified. So anybody know what the record is for most consecutive years of celibacy for persons not required to be celibate?

I dont want to start a battle of the sexes. I very much admire women. I am sorry but can anyone seriously say that there isnt more social stigma and outright hostility toward male bisexuals? Last time there were female bisexuals in a Hollywood movie were there protests and boycotts?

Mimi
May 9, 2006, 1:38 AM
Mimi,

I would trade you problems. I would love to be objectified by someone. At least that would mean that someone knows I exist and want to have sex with me. In Maslowe's Hierarchy of Needs lack of intimate relations is far more serious a problem than being objectified. So anybody know what the record is for most consecutive years of celibacy for persons not required to be celibate?

I dont want to start a battle of the sexes. I very much admire women. I am sorry but can anyone seriously say that there isnt more social stigma and outright hostility toward male bisexuals? Last time there were female bisexuals in a Hollywood movie were there protests and boycotts?
tim,
i never meant to say that one is "better" than the other. i only meant to clarify that both bi men and women have burdens. they are indeed different, but they are burdens. it is fruitless to try to "compete" and see who is the "most" oppressed. i just get irked when people mistake deeply entrenched sexism and misogyny for "acceptance" of bi women. until we are all free, none of us are free.

mimi

CherryBlossom74
May 9, 2006, 2:41 AM
Well, after much thought we'd have to say it's a burden due to the society we live in and how we let it pressure us. But then that's the case with anyone in sociey that has something different from teh a ccepted as part of their makeup and personality. So we end up feeling seperated and pointed at.

Then add to this the fact that one of us is polyamorous and you encounter an extra heaping of pressure, as well as a lack of acceptance from any within and without our own bisexual grouping. I can't begin to tell you how hard life FEELS.

If there is a GIFT feeling to this somewhere, please send some our way. We really need it.

Lorcan
May 9, 2006, 7:58 AM
So I have tried to organize pride events and they are swiftly met with a complete lack of interest. Discussions about our place in the GLBT community often reveal that many bisexuals don't really wan't to be considered part of the Gay and Lesbian community. Frequently the reasons for this are also homophobic..


Exactly. Bisexuals only want to meet eachother for SEX and i dare anyone in my area to prove me wrong!

They don't want to march in a pride parade. :2cents:

jedinudist
May 9, 2006, 2:52 PM
I'm sorry, married bi memphis...

i was a wee bit raw when i responded to your posting... i had just poured out my anguish about how being bi makes monogamy so much more difficult ..and tom_uk seemingly was in similar mode..

and maybe i over-reacted to your seeming insensitivity..

you comment that the only person you are truly concerned about.. who may feel burdened by your sexual orientation..would be your wife.... likewise the only people i, was referring to was, the impact on, myself and my sexual partner.

and i was feeling tetchy .. n you got it in the neck! grrr :(.. when actually.. i think we were saying the same thing :rolleyes:

julie:female:

Please, do not think I was "hitting back" or anything like that! I am new here and just wanted to make sure I clarified what I was saying as I don't want to come across the wrong way. I am still learning to accept and deal with who I am, and thus tend to swing from one end of the spetrum to the other in how I feel about me and the opinions others may have about me.

I have learned that in any aspect of my life, personal, sexual, business, etc., there are going to be folks who do not approve of me, who I am, or what I do. I am still trying to teach myself that the only person's opinion that should truly matter to me is my wife's. Of course, the opinions of my friends also matter, but my wife's opinion is more important. And.. that is what I am coming to think of most of you as... my online friends.

No blood, no foul. :)

jedinudist
May 9, 2006, 2:59 PM
Exactly. Bisexuals only want to meet eachother for SEX and i dare anyone in my area to prove me wrong!

They don't want to march in a pride parade. :2cents:


lol- ALthough I am not in Colorado (I used to live in the Springs), I can honestly say that I am actually seeking other Bisexuals for NON-sexual friendship.

Kinda hard to prove that one, obviously. However, I am not in a position where my wife and I are comfortable with the idea of me being sexual with another guy. So, I am seeking the face to face type of friendship with others who are Bisexual so that I can relax, be myself, and not have to be on guard about my sexuality (like letting it slip that you think someone is hot looking when that person is of the same sex. I accidentally did this once and have been treated differently ever since by the people I was with). I want to have that exchange with others who are in a similar situation to find support, advice, and a sense of camraderie. But not sex.

:D

Crazylamb1
May 9, 2006, 7:59 PM
Well, I have to say, there are many layers to this issue, many of which have been mentioned.

One thing..there's the fact that some people think bisexuality doesn't exist and that it's either a) a homosexual person afraid to come out fully, or b) a straight person wanting to experiment, or, mainly in the female case, to be "hip,cool,different". In some cases, either a) or b) is true. And then there are bisexuals... who are in the shadows due to the first two groups.

Personally, I have used all 3 labels on myself at various points in time. And whenever I did, they were honest.. in the sense that, like most people, I assumed I was straight (the issue of sexual orientation didn't even enter my mind). After becoming conscious of my same-sex desires, I identified as bi. When for a long period of time I experienced apsolutely no attraction towards the "opposite" sex, I identified as gay. And in the past year or two I've begun noticing that I may well in fact be bi.

I just don't like the term "bisexual"... I have my own belief system and bisexuality is sort of in contradiction with it because I don't believe in sexual orientation at all. I believe in people being sexual or asexual. If you are sexual, there will be tendencies/common things among those you find attractive, but we don't label all of these things: eg. if you're only into black folks you don't identify as "blacksexual," or if you only like blondes you don't claim to be a born "blondesexual" and so on for any given trait. I don't see a point in making these labels when it comes to sex/gender. If we got rid of gender rules and the world's heterosexism/homophobia/sexism, I believe we'd all be pretty much bisexual because in a lot of cases we wouldn't even KNOW the sex of a person until they dropped their pants, skirts and/or other garments they're using to "cover up". ;)

Also, another little burden I'm currently dealing with... most people here know me from when I came out as gay when I moved here a couple of years back, so now I'm feeling awkward about correcting that. I'm afraid it'll make those who identify as gay and/or bi look bad in the sense that people will think everyone's truly straight and that it's all just a phase/desire to be "different". Most folks would probably just WAIT for me to "turn straight" like I "turned bi". (I'd simply like to drive focus away from the SEX of those I find attractive and simply want to identify as sexual, no prefixes).

What I've been doing recently though..in order to help myself ease into letting people in on my attractions is simply dropping hints here and there when I find a person of the "opposite" sex attractive. If they question, I say (truthfully) that although I'm in a majority of cases attracted to those of my own sex, there are a few exceptions out there. And this is the actual truth. I try to avoid labels of "gay" "straight" "bi" altogether and let people in on how I feel.

Most still think I'm gay. I don't care to correct them until it's appropriate... eg. if we're actually talking about our attractions. If it's not the topic at hand, why bother? Who cares what others assume about me? Besides, most people assume everyone is straight until they find out otherwise... I'll let people think I'm gay until they happen to find out otherwise. In fact, I'm determined to replace the labels (bi/gay/straight) with a couple of short sentences on the matter: "I'm attracted mostly to those of my own sex, some exceptions. Level of attraction also usually higher with those of my own sex, some exceptions".

And just because I *have* to share: for the first time in...approximately 4 years, I am experiencing an intense attraction for someone of the "opposite" sex! :eek: I'm excited because it's so new! :bigrin: It feels kind of odd to be feeling this again after so long. Hopefully it goes well! :)

And now that I've written a novel I'll shut the hell up! :tong: :rolleyes: :bigrin:

Lorcan
May 9, 2006, 10:08 PM
lol- ALthough I am not in Colorado (I used to live in the Springs), I can honestly say that I am actually seeking other Bisexuals for NON-sexual friendship.

:D

AAAAaaaahhh, can't you move back?!

But good, good, good, and i hope you have luck. We need some real-life community around us. :bibounce:

morenito
May 10, 2006, 12:51 AM
Definitely a burden...however, when I feel that way I ofthen say to myself that becuause I'm bi I'm capabel of seeing as well as being able to love and admire the beauty that both sexes posses. It really sucks to think that it's a burden. Wouldn't it be great if we all could just be who we truly feel we are, and not care about others' opinions? The great thing about being bisexual is that you can give yourself totally to someone who you are attracted to, regardless of their gender...that is true bisexuality.

JohnnyV
May 10, 2006, 12:11 PM
Sorry I've been off this site for so long and am jumping on this discussion so late.

Glantern, besides the fact that we both share a fascination with cartoon superheroes, I also admire your courage to pose tough intellectual challenges to people. The section you posted from that book was very provocative.

One of the best quotes on this topic, for me, comes from James Baldwin's essay on Andre Gide called "the Male Prison":

...It is one of the facts of life that there are two sexes, which fact has given the world most of its beauty, cost it not a little of its anguish, and contains the hope and glory of the world. And it is with this fact, which might better perhaps be called a mystery, that every human being born must find some way to live. For, no matter what demons drive them, men cannot live without women and women cannot live without men...

Baldwin was a black writer who had to struggle, both against the racism of the gay community and the homophobia of the black community. Even after being exiled by black radicals like Eldridge Cleaver, he still refused to limit himself to a gay identity.

I think it's a blessing to have known two genders intimately. The resistance or hatred you experience from other people can't take away from your dignity. Remember what Eleanor Roosevelt, another possible bi woman, said: "nobody can make you feel small without your consent."

Thanks for your post.

J