12voltman59
Feb 6, 2011, 2:52 PM
I started this as a reply to a comment made by Softfruit made on the thread "Interesting News!" posted by Ian Borthwick. My reply was WAY :offtopic:, so I decided to post it as its own thread.
These are just some of my current thoughts, conclusions, observations, "surmisings," random tidbits floating around inside my "Monkey Mind" on the topic that I think many of us think about a great deal: "What does it mean to be Bisexual" and such.
I am not saying this is set stuff---just where my thoughts lead me right now--and as is always the case---sort of in a state of flux---so take it for what you will--hope its at least "interesting" even if you agree or not with me. I am not even necessarily saying that I am "right" on all of this stuff--just trying to figure it all out and figured I would share with you all to get some discussion going if you care to respond. At the very least--if I am on to something---you at least consider it to help you "figure it out" too!!!!
Here it goes:
I think that you are certainly on to something, softfruit---look at this site---not only do we have guys who come here such as myself who came from calling themselves straight to being bi---we have an ever growing number of guys who have long considered themselves as "gay" that are now are changing that and would rather identify as being bisexual as well---I wonder--are those guys just all fucked up and confused and are on their way to be totally "straight"???????? Nobody is accusing those guys of doing that since in the "gay world" they hold that its impossible for someone who is gay to ever go and be "straight."
I have to admit---that even though I never quite considered myself to be truly "straight"---I just had this deep sense that I wasn't a very good and totally heterosexual person, but I sure as hell I knew that even though I might want to do something sexually with another guy---I sure as hell was not gay since when I looked at the "gay world" that was around me---I didn't see any place for me in any of the "gay scenes" that seem to make up "gayness" as we have it here in our cultures. It is for this reason that I have come to the conclusion that when it comes to "being gay"---the sexual part of "being gay" is only a very small part of "gayness."
All of this goes to show me that our current mindset on what constitutes being straight, gay or whatever is way off base---and I clearly have come to the conclusion that the idea that a person is either/or when it comes to how sexuality is expressed is total and complete BULLSHIT!!!! and is certainly, flat out "STINKIN" THINKIN"!!!!!
The younger generations surely do have more options when it comes to sexuality.
I can see why the guys of my relative generation who "came out gay" when they were young who are often so steadfastly set on the notion that guys who say they are bisexual are merely deluding themselves about their "gayness" and that bisexuality doesn't exist and such---they came up in a time where sexuality was either/or---you like to have sex with guys---then you are a fag----that's it--no ifs, ands, or buts about that so once you do anything with another guy---you are queer--get used to that fact!
Once a person does firmly set their mind on subjects of this sort---it is pretty damn hard to change their minds----but thankfully---things do seem to be changing in this regard with the younger ones coming along and I do say that if human society is not totally destroyed or gets set back to being like things were during the 1800s in the future by the myriad number of things that "doomsday scenario" proponents like to talk about---I think that eventually we will come to have an understanding and acceptance that the way people expresses their sexuality--amongst consenting adult human beings of course---is fine no matter what that is and the confining labels that we have long labored under will rightfully be a thing of the past and it won't matter the gender your lover(s) is or are right now, will be in the future or have been in the past.
I don't mean to exclude the ladies in this discussion because I know that among hard core, "straightists" any homosexual behavior is wrong, immoral, evil and such and with many lesbians----they follow that sort of political thing about lesbianism being "liberating for women and their natural and best state" to be rid of MEN!!! For such "political lesbians"--a woman who sleeps with men is SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY----but for the mass culture---the only acceptable and COOL bisexuality is for two hot chicks to be into each other and get it on---hopefully with a guy there so they can take turns "doing him."
The mass culture holds the idea that for males at least---there is really no such a thing as bisexuality and even if there were---oh God--it is so sick, gross and "gay" to even think about that!!!!!!
I do note that in so many modern movies and TV, there is actually a pretty strong backlash and fear of anything that might make a guy seem "gay." Look at the movies with guys like Vince Vaughn, Kevin James, Adam Sandler, and the rest---they tend to have very strong undercurrents of homophobia running in them. I do have to wonder with those actors, their writers, producers and such---do they not protesteth too much when it comes to their focusing so much on showing how much their characters have to distance themselves from anything they perceive as "gay?" I tell ya one thing---for straight guys---they are hardly worthy role models for young guys to follow---since ironically enough---part of their fear of showing that they might at all be "gay"---they cannot show any sort of real love and caring towards the women in their lives and that they continually portray characters that often run away from committing to one woman and marrying her!!! Its a "real guy" thing to be a cad, have a long string of broken and bad relationships behind them. They of course---cannot let the women in their lives get inside their heads too much and influence their behavior---my god--go show anything that might seem feminine like that---holy cow---that just might be "so gay!!" For the guys who do "settle" for one lady and accommodate her--the portrayal of those cases subtly casts that character as "being pussywhipped."
Did I cover enough bases, here??????:bigrin::bigrin::cool::cool:
:eek::eek::soapbox::soapbox::bounce::bounce: :yikes2::yikes2::yikes2:
:compuser:
These are just some of my current thoughts, conclusions, observations, "surmisings," random tidbits floating around inside my "Monkey Mind" on the topic that I think many of us think about a great deal: "What does it mean to be Bisexual" and such.
I am not saying this is set stuff---just where my thoughts lead me right now--and as is always the case---sort of in a state of flux---so take it for what you will--hope its at least "interesting" even if you agree or not with me. I am not even necessarily saying that I am "right" on all of this stuff--just trying to figure it all out and figured I would share with you all to get some discussion going if you care to respond. At the very least--if I am on to something---you at least consider it to help you "figure it out" too!!!!
Here it goes:
I think that you are certainly on to something, softfruit---look at this site---not only do we have guys who come here such as myself who came from calling themselves straight to being bi---we have an ever growing number of guys who have long considered themselves as "gay" that are now are changing that and would rather identify as being bisexual as well---I wonder--are those guys just all fucked up and confused and are on their way to be totally "straight"???????? Nobody is accusing those guys of doing that since in the "gay world" they hold that its impossible for someone who is gay to ever go and be "straight."
I have to admit---that even though I never quite considered myself to be truly "straight"---I just had this deep sense that I wasn't a very good and totally heterosexual person, but I sure as hell I knew that even though I might want to do something sexually with another guy---I sure as hell was not gay since when I looked at the "gay world" that was around me---I didn't see any place for me in any of the "gay scenes" that seem to make up "gayness" as we have it here in our cultures. It is for this reason that I have come to the conclusion that when it comes to "being gay"---the sexual part of "being gay" is only a very small part of "gayness."
All of this goes to show me that our current mindset on what constitutes being straight, gay or whatever is way off base---and I clearly have come to the conclusion that the idea that a person is either/or when it comes to how sexuality is expressed is total and complete BULLSHIT!!!! and is certainly, flat out "STINKIN" THINKIN"!!!!!
The younger generations surely do have more options when it comes to sexuality.
I can see why the guys of my relative generation who "came out gay" when they were young who are often so steadfastly set on the notion that guys who say they are bisexual are merely deluding themselves about their "gayness" and that bisexuality doesn't exist and such---they came up in a time where sexuality was either/or---you like to have sex with guys---then you are a fag----that's it--no ifs, ands, or buts about that so once you do anything with another guy---you are queer--get used to that fact!
Once a person does firmly set their mind on subjects of this sort---it is pretty damn hard to change their minds----but thankfully---things do seem to be changing in this regard with the younger ones coming along and I do say that if human society is not totally destroyed or gets set back to being like things were during the 1800s in the future by the myriad number of things that "doomsday scenario" proponents like to talk about---I think that eventually we will come to have an understanding and acceptance that the way people expresses their sexuality--amongst consenting adult human beings of course---is fine no matter what that is and the confining labels that we have long labored under will rightfully be a thing of the past and it won't matter the gender your lover(s) is or are right now, will be in the future or have been in the past.
I don't mean to exclude the ladies in this discussion because I know that among hard core, "straightists" any homosexual behavior is wrong, immoral, evil and such and with many lesbians----they follow that sort of political thing about lesbianism being "liberating for women and their natural and best state" to be rid of MEN!!! For such "political lesbians"--a woman who sleeps with men is SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY----but for the mass culture---the only acceptable and COOL bisexuality is for two hot chicks to be into each other and get it on---hopefully with a guy there so they can take turns "doing him."
The mass culture holds the idea that for males at least---there is really no such a thing as bisexuality and even if there were---oh God--it is so sick, gross and "gay" to even think about that!!!!!!
I do note that in so many modern movies and TV, there is actually a pretty strong backlash and fear of anything that might make a guy seem "gay." Look at the movies with guys like Vince Vaughn, Kevin James, Adam Sandler, and the rest---they tend to have very strong undercurrents of homophobia running in them. I do have to wonder with those actors, their writers, producers and such---do they not protesteth too much when it comes to their focusing so much on showing how much their characters have to distance themselves from anything they perceive as "gay?" I tell ya one thing---for straight guys---they are hardly worthy role models for young guys to follow---since ironically enough---part of their fear of showing that they might at all be "gay"---they cannot show any sort of real love and caring towards the women in their lives and that they continually portray characters that often run away from committing to one woman and marrying her!!! Its a "real guy" thing to be a cad, have a long string of broken and bad relationships behind them. They of course---cannot let the women in their lives get inside their heads too much and influence their behavior---my god--go show anything that might seem feminine like that---holy cow---that just might be "so gay!!" For the guys who do "settle" for one lady and accommodate her--the portrayal of those cases subtly casts that character as "being pussywhipped."
Did I cover enough bases, here??????:bigrin::bigrin::cool::cool:
:eek::eek::soapbox::soapbox::bounce::bounce: :yikes2::yikes2::yikes2:
:compuser: