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    Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    I've been reading a few posts that confuse me at times. They seem to be connected to bisexuality and pansexuality (also called Omnisexuality). If you are straight or gay, then this thread is not for you.

    I'm wondering who on this site sees themselves as either bisexual or pansexual? Although the following meanings may be debated, for clarification, may we use the following differentiation.

    Pansexuality (also referred to as pans), or omnisexuality is a sexual orientation, characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire towards people, regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. Some pansexuals suggest that they are gender-blind; that gender and sex are insignificant or irrelevant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others. For others, an individual's sex, gender expression, or gender identity can be a key factor of attraction, despite the pansexual individual's wide range of sex and gender attractions.

    Bisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by attraction to both the same gender and the opposite gender. Unlike pansexuality, it does not specifically include people who fall outside the gender binary. Pansexuality has been described as a "means to skip the binaries and essentialism of 'bi'."

    Personally, I identify as bisexual as I have no sexual attraction to intersexed people. I've not meet a completely transitioned transgendered person and so I'm not sure how I would deal or be attracted to one who has transitioned completely. I suspect that I would accept them for the gender that they present themselves in but I just don't know. I am attracted to men who are masculine and women who are feminine. Although I am attracted to both genders, I do not seem to be attracted to cross dressers but can accept a little cross dressing in a man if his other behaviour and thoughts seem masculine to me. I understand that some bisexuals may have an attraction to cross dressers who are bisexual. Maybe, these people are really pansexuals or is it a gender question and not a sexuality question?

    hmm I seem to have lost part of what I thought that I posted. May I add that for some strange reason I feel a little guilt for not being able to be pansexual. I know that is illogical though. Our sexuality is not a politically correct thing. It is what we are. We are attracted to whomever we are attracted to. Or is it some form of bigotry for a bisexual not to be a pansexual?
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Well, as I posted on another thread, I'm really having trouble finding a label that works. However, based on your definitions above, I'm bisexual. I'm physically attracted to men - and occasionally to women - but romantically and emotionally only attracted to men.

    I don't find myself physically or romantically/emotionally attracted to intersex individuals, and I suppose it's a matter of "mixed signals." When I'm attracted to a man, I'm attracted to his masculine qualities - flaming queens turn me off instantly. Similarly, when I'm attracted to a woman, it's because of her feminine qualities - butch lesbians (and I've known quite a few) turn me off too. I think both intersex individuals and crossdressers send a mix of signals that I simply don't respond to. It's not that I find them repulsive or anything - I don't want to run screaming from the room - but they just don't, um, "raise my interest," as it were.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Not everyone is attracted to everybody, there isnt any need to feel guilt about it.

    Personally I find most people attractive (or not) based on their personality, not body type.

    M, F, T, I, GQ, whatever, just as long as you are someone I mesh with, I can find you attractive.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

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    Then according to these definitions are you then a pansexual and not a bisexual?

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Personally, I identify as bisexual as I have no sexual attraction to intersexed people. I've not meet a completely transitioned transgendered person and so I'm not sure how I would deal or be attracted to one who has transitioned completely. I suspect that I would accept them for the gender that they present themselves in but I just don't know. I am attracted to men who are masculine and women who are feminine. Although I am attracted to both genders, I do not seem to be attracted to cross dressers but can accept a little cross dressing in a man if his other behaviour and thoughts seem masculine to me. I understand that some bisexuals may have an attraction to cross dressers who are bisexual.
    It's funny that you distinguish so carefully and usefully between bisexual and pansexual, and then completely confuse the meanings of genderqueer, transsexual, and intersexed.

    Genderqueer is about presenting oneself outside the gender norms, frequently to the point where you can't easily figure out whether they are male or female.

    A person is intersexed if they were born with ambiguous genitalia and/or a nonstandard chromosomal configuration (there are at least 11 others that come up pretty often, aside from XX and XY). But there are XX people born with penises, and XY people born with uteruses who have even had children.

    A transsexual has the brain structure of one sex, with the physiology of the other.

    There is nothing about a distaste for intersexed people that would prevent a person from being pansexual. If you are attracted to (obvious) men, (obvious) women, and genderqueer people (frequently where you can't tell from their presentation whether they are male or female), that would qualify you as pansexual.

    If you ever met a "completely transitioned" transsexual (and you almost certainly have, but just aren't aware of it - you may have even had sex with one and not known it ), chances are, you would perceive them as just a man or woman (whichever they've transitioned to), and would be attracted to them or not in exactly the same way you would be to any other man or woman. At least until they told you they were transsexual, at which point you might start judging them differently. Which is why they might not tell you.

    By the way, genderqueer people and crossdressers fall into the category of transgender; transsexuals are transgender until they "completely transition"; intersexed people are not necessarily transgender, but can be, particularly if their ambiguous genitals are surgically "corrected" in infancy, which happens too frequently - but "corrected" the wrong way, effectively making them into a transsexual.

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    The two arent mutually exclusive. Yes I am pansexual.

    Pansexuals are actually a much smaller community within the bisexual community. We aren't pushing for our own "community" because what is the point in further dividing up people?

    More people are begining to define themselves as Pansexual or Omnisexual,perhaps because there is greater awareness of the diversity of the human experience?
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Well I think the labels of bi or pan are actually of little use or meaning. What I mean is, from a biological point of view (or is that BI-ological) we are all "bisexual" to some extent. Therefore, IMHO, bisexuality is the norm. The only terms we need are straight and gay. I use and accept the term bisexual as a loose definition of my sexual identity because it is convenient for others. It is not part of my identity, it is not WHO I am per se. I am simply ME. Now I see that in our social lives the label's can help us to more quickly identify others of similar interest but even that has little bearing on who we might have some kind of relationship. I once had a 6 month sexual relationship with a man who, before and after, labeled himself as straight and I have had sex with a few labeled "lesbians" as well. I think most labels are just shortcuts to determine if we might like someone. Someone says to me I have this gay friend (I might think ok she is most likely open minded and I bet does not have much of a sense of humor) or this republican guy I know (so I think homophobic I bet) of course my label associations are my own personal stereotypes and may or may not prove to be true.

    So my point in all this "we don't need no stinking labels" and cutting up the labels we all ready deal with is just tedium.

    I love cats and dogs so now am I to be labeled a BIpetual?

    I love football and other things too, does that make me a "footballian-middle heighted-pansexual-bisexual-goateeian-martial artian-artsy lovin-etc etc etcerian"?

    I hope I have not offended anyone, Just my humble opinion.

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by just4mefc View Post
    I use and accept the term bisexual as a loose definition of my sexual identity because it is convenient for others. It is not part of my identity, it is not WHO I am per se. I am simply ME. Now I see that in our social lives the label's can help us to more quickly identify others of similar interest but even that has little bearing on who we might have some kind of relationship.
    That's pretty much my take on it. I haven't built my identity around being gay or bi or having blond hair and blue eyes. At the same time, the labels can serve as a useful shortcut when trying to find potential partners.

    Quote Originally Posted by just4mefc View Post
    of course my label associations are my own personal stereotypes and may or may not prove to be true.
    That's a point I was trying to make on another thread - we all have our own understanding of these labels, and what I feel a label means might not necessarily be what others feel it means. This can sometimes lead to quite a bit of confusion!

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    I love cats and dogs so now am I to be labeled a BIpetual?
    No, I think that's a different fetish...
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    I think that an individual may define themselves as they see appropriate. However this is labelled a bisexual site. People posts comments and refer to a variety of actions and desires. I am inclined to think that it may be inappropriate to present a sexuality on this site without clarifying. We are after all discussing a minority among minorities. A gender issue is not a sexuality issue. People are sometimes attempting to identify themselves. If someone states that they are attracted sexually to others regardless of their gender and the same poster states that they are bisexual this gets confusing. In reality, they are pansexual. Posters who meet the criteria for being a bisexual are not being given a fair perspective.

    If you go with a broad understanding that it doesn't matter then you are probably pansexual and not bisexual. Just as a straight person may feel some discomfort and (yes) repulsion at the idea of same sex involvement a bisexual may feel revulsion and not interested in having sex with an intersexed person. Several male posters have posted their attraction to intersexed porn. They are really pansexual are they not? Why confuse me and others that there is something wrong with us as bisexuals when we find nothing attractive about such sexual attraction? Yes, the idea should be whatever floats your boat but lets try to keep things clear? You are a pansexual and not a bisexual? Yes? No?
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Why do people have to be put into classifications anyway? People should just be who they are, and take great pride and delight in that factor.. :}
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    I think that an individual may define themselves as they see appropriate. However this is labelled a bisexual site. People posts comments and refer to a variety of actions and desires. I am inclined to think that it may be inappropriate to present a sexuality on this site without clarifying. We are after all discussing a minority among minorities. A gender issue is not a sexuality issue. People are sometimes attempting to identify themselves. If someone states that they are attracted sexually to others regardless of their gender and the same poster states that they are bisexual this gets confusing. In reality, they are pansexual. Posters who meet the criteria for being a bisexual are not being given a fair perspective.

    If you go with a broad understanding that it doesn't matter then you are probably pansexual and not bisexual. Just as a straight person may feel some discomfort and (yes) repulsion at the idea of same sex involvement a bisexual may feel revulsion and not interested in having sex with an intersexed person. Several male posters have posted their attraction to intersexed porn. They are really pansexual are they not? Why confuse me and others that there is something wrong with us as bisexuals when we find nothing attractive about such sexual attraction? Yes, the idea should be whatever floats your boat but lets try to keep things clear? You are a pansexual and not a bisexual? Yes? No?

    No one is forcing you to find soething attractive. To each their own, live and let live.

    Everyone ID's their own way. Just because someone takes on a label that is convienient doesnt mean it always fits very well.

    You seem to be one who needs the binary off/ on, yes/no, In/ out. But that isnt all there is to life. Sometimes there are other possiblities - maybe.

    Lets keep things clear, good plan...
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

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    Of course..I'm binary...I'm bisexual...lol There are greys in life but I don't think that bisexuality is one. just my opinion..and maybe not just my opinion. There are a lot of posters on this site who are not bisexual. This makes me think that the comment that true bisexuals are a very small minority. Are they a small minority on this site as well?

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Definitely bisexual. I recognize the difference between the genders and know that men and women attract me in different ways. While I love transmen and transwomen as people, it usually translates to a more platonic and non sexual love and relationship. There are pansexual people , and they're cool, just my boundaries don't push as far. :p

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarieDelta View Post
    Pansexuals are actually a much smaller community within the bisexual community. We aren't pushing for our own "community" because what is the point in further dividing up people?
    Wow! There are so many interesting offerings here and I don't know if I can really contribute anything that hasn't already been covered.
    I have identified myself as being bi for the last 12 years now though knowing all my life that I was attracted to both sexes. Giving my sexuality a name helped me to come to terms with my sexuality. But I do agree with MarieDelta as I feel we have too many divisions by identifying with what we think or believe we are whether sexual or racial....
    For me to name my sexuality was merely a way to understand myself better. But I certainly don't like to parade my sexuality as the gay community has chosen to do. And I must point out that I'm not condemning how many gays choose to organize and network, etc...all the better in so many ways. But the danger can be an arrogance about our sexuality or whatever our beliefs are. I suppose I have some of that in me being bisexual...god, I hope not.
    As far as attractions go, I am most definitely attracted to TG people but those who were male that still keep the male genitalia in place...
    I'm attracted to women emotionally, physically, and mentally; the whole package you might say. But with men, it changes. With the men that are dear friends, I care for them emotionally and mentally, but not physically and have absolutely no interest in them sexually. With the men I am physical with, there are no deep emotions and not much of a mental connection either...the sex is what draws us together and nothing more than that. Crossdressers don't appeal to me at all really.
    I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, but in essence, I do feel there are too many classifications. Human relations have a need to be vibrant and classifying things though helpful in some ways have a very sterile quality.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    i am bisexual but only when doing a threesome do all my one on one sex with women 0nly like to do it with a man when a woman is there also

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
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    Then according to these definitions are you then a pansexual and not a bisexual?
    Quote Originally Posted by MarieDelta View Post
    The two arent mutually exclusive.
    Aren't pansexuals in fact a *subset* of bisexuals?

    If you're sexually attracted to everyone, regardless of sex or gender (i.e., pansexual), then aren't you also attracted to both polar genders (i.e., bisexual)?

    I know this is splitting hairs. I mean, the OP still makes sense...but if pansexuals are a subset of bisexuals, then you can't be pansexual and not bisexual.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    'Pansexual' is to 'bisexual' as 'gay woman' is to 'lesbian'.

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    " mean, the OP still makes sense...but if pansexuals are a subset of bisexuals, then you can't be pansexual and not bisexual."


    How can pansexual be a subset of bisexuality if a bisexual is attracted to both genders but not intersexed people?

    Bisexuals are sexually attracted to male and female genders only. Pansexuals are sexually attracted to male, female and intersexed genders. Bisexuals are binary while pansexuals are not binary but omni-ary(?).

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    No, I do not think that pansexual is synonymous with bisexual. They really are different sexual attractions. Pansexuals are much more inclusive. Would you want to have sex with an intersexed person? If so, then you are not bisexual but a pansexual.

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    "Why do people have to be put into classifications anyway?" It is not as much a classification as who we are sexually attracted to. Why not consider yourself a man then? Why bother classifying yourself as a woman. It is because that is your gender and that is who you are. Bisexuals are not pansexuals, straight or gay. They are bisexuals. That is who we are and is part of our identity.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Pansexual. And I've written all about the "gender-blind" thing before, too.

    Sometimes I will tell others or refer to myself as bisexual, because it's easier for those who don't know the term "pansexual", don't believe in it, yada yada. But I've always identified that way.

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    How can pansexual be a subset of bisexuality if a bisexual is attracted to both genders but not intersexed people?
    Tenni, you give a definition of bisexuality in your OP. It does not mention lack of attraction to intersexed people...in fact, I don't have any idea what you think intersexed people even have to do with the discussion.

    Your definition was: "Bisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by attraction to both the same gender and the opposite gender. Unlike pansexuality, it does not specifically include people who fall outside the gender binary."

    By your own definition, pansexuals are not excluded from being bisexual. Pansexuals are attracted both to the same gender and the opposite gender, and so fit your definition as a subset of the whole.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Thinking about it, based on the definitions given, I could possibly be Pansexual, but I have always identified as Bisexual. Of course, that was long before there was a "pansexual" definition.

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    For what its worth I dont know that Intersexxed folks are desirous of being outside the binary.

    Mostly its genderqueer people you dont find yourself atracted too or am I missing something?
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    well for me if it has a penis or a vagina um cuzz i like both of them then yes i am very very bisexual and well i like dressing and wearing woman's things and shaving parts of my body like a woman and well hmm don't know if that makes me bi or pan,, but i keep doing it ,,

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

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    I don't think that I have posted this but as someone else wrote that I have nothing against those that are not clearly male or female, I am just not sexually attracted to them.

    Although I do not agree with everything in the following article I do agree with what is written about pansexuals and bisexuals.

    "While pansexual individuals are attracted to men, women, transgender, transsexual and intersex individuals, bisexual individuals are only attracted to their same sex or the opposite sex."

    http://www.differencebetween.net/sci...nd-pan-sexual/

    For me, there is a clear difference between bisexuals and pansexuals. I do not see pansexuals as a subcategory of bisexuality. Pansexuals are sexually attracted to those that I am not attracted to. Call me dumb but it just doesn't work for me that way. If you have breasts and a penis, no thank you. Actually, I have found that I am psychologically more interested in bisexuals and not gay men either as sometimes there seems to be a difference in socio-political expectations. That is beyond sexual attraction though. I'm not sure about other bisexual men but I am not attracted to a cisman who presents himself in women's clothes either. Since I have no interest in cross dressing, I could not clearly say whether such a person was more pansexual but they may be as they are not acting in a binary way? just my thought at the moment. That is for that person to decide..I guess?

    As far as the term genderqueer, there are just too many various categories for me to distinquish or comprehend (transsexual, transgender, intersex, etc.) As I wrote, those of us who are bisexual and not pansexual may just prefer to keep it simplier as far as sexual attraction is concerned. I mean no disrespect to those who are not clearly male or female. Whether an intersexed person is desirous of being in a binary way is not relevant from my perspective. They are outside of the binary way and I am not sexually attracted to them.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Anika & Marie
    I don't think that I have posted this but as someone else wrote that I have nothing against those that are not clearly male or female, I am just not sexually attracted to them.

    Although I do not agree with everything in the following article I do agree with what is written about pansexuals and bisexuals.

    "While pansexual individuals are attracted to men, women, transgender, transsexual and intersex individuals, bisexual individuals are only attracted to their same sex or the opposite sex."

    http://www.differencebetween.net/sci...nd-pan-sexual/

    For me, there is a clear difference between bisexuals and pansexuals. I do not see pansexuals as a subcategory of bisexuality. Pansexuals are sexually attracted to those that I am not attracted to. Call me dumb but it just doesn't work for me that way. If you have breasts and a penis, no thank you. Actually, I have found that I am psychologically more interested in bisexuals and not gay men either as sometimes there seems to be a difference in socio-political expectations. That is beyond sexual attraction though. I'm not sure about other bisexual men but I am not attracted to a cisman who presents himself in women's clothes either. Since I have no interest in cross dressing, I could not clearly say whether such a person was more pansexual but they may be as they are not acting in a binary way? just my thought at the moment. That is for that person to decide..I guess?

    As far as the term genderqueer, there are just too many various categories for me to distinquish or comprehend (transsexual, transgender, intersex, etc.) As I wrote, those of us who are bisexual and not pansexual may just prefer to keep it simplier as far as sexual attraction is concerned. I mean no disrespect to those who are not clearly male or female. Whether an intersexed person is desirous of being in a binary way is not relevant from my perspective. They are outside of the binary way and I am not sexually attracted to them.
    *sigh* tenni,

    I don't care who you're attracted to. This isn't about you or who you respect.

    Pansexuals fit the definition you gave in the OP for bisexuality. It's as simple as that. If you don't like your definitions, go ahead and change them, but I thought they were pretty reasonable and standard.

    So pansexuals are attracted to people you aren't. That just means you're one of the bisexuals who isn't pansexual...so am I, so what?

    Your argument is like saying a clock-radio isn't a kind of clock, because it does stuff a clock doesn't do. Get it?
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

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    I must be thick as a brick these days because I do not get that meaning at all.

    "Bisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by attraction to both the same gender and the opposite gender."

    Nowhere are transgendered, etc. people mentioned. Unless you are going by gender identified by DNA etc. Most would identify gender by visual methods. I have heard such people as referred to the third gender, have you? A transgendered person who had made a complete transition etc. would then be the gender that they transitioned to and probably a bisexual would accept them as that gender.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Anika
    I must be thick as a brick these days because I do not get that meaning at all.

    "Bisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by attraction to both the same gender and the opposite gender."

    Nowhere are transgendered, etc. people mentioned. Unless you are going by gender identified by DNA etc. Most would identify gender by visual methods. A transgendered person who had made a complete transition etc. would then be the gender that they transitioned to and probably a bisexual would accept them as that gender.
    The definition of bisexuality does not limit itself to just the two polar genders.
    It is inclusive, not exclusive of pansexuality.

    Bisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by attraction to both the same gender and the opposite gender.

    Pansexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by attraction to both the same gender and the opposite gender and everything inbetween the two genders.
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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    I have to wonder what Anika and Marie are carrying on about? I asked if people found themselves to be bisexual or pansexual. There is a difference whether pansexuality is a subgroup or a separate group of sexuality.

    I think that it is a distraction to carry on with this argument about whether pansexuals are a subgroup. Why?

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

    Well I think the whole question continues to be Tenni saying "who is like me and does not like transgender ppl, sexually speaking" and to others points here it does bring up who the hell cares? Nothing against you Tenni. I am only responding to the argument here. I have been a man of science and have read many a research paper in my life. So let me share with you one important research phenomenon, there is no such thing as absolute proof! There are always pieces of data that fall out of the data scale. They are known as "outliers" and we simply disregard them in our data pool. It does not mean they are not there. So why do I bring this up? Because even if your labels were to be "accurate" you will find exceptions all over the place. In my earlier post I implied republicans as homophobic and lesbians as lacking a sense of humor. Yet I know many republicans who are gay (not the norm but they do exist) and I think Ellen Degeneres shows the inaccuracy of the comedy issue. So even if I manage to somehow get everyone into these groups it still will not mean a damn thing. I might be certain I have no interest in TG ppl and then without knowing the person is TG I develop a crush and find I am attracted to them. But once I discover they are TG now what? Do I run away from someone I all ready like? Or am I actually showing my own bias once again? It is similar to dating a light skin person and then finding out they are "black". There appears to be no point to delineating the "bi" population. It can be interesting to see just how diverse a group we are I guess. So I label you as "bi" based on your definitions then I label myself as pan. So now what? Do you know me better now? do I know you any better? Can I now say you are pan-aphobic? NOPE! I don't know anymore about you then I did before. Oh, I do know I like ppl with breasts and penis' in one package and you don't. But again so what?

    In terms of the sub group argument, you wrote the original question and defined the terms, therefore it is on YOU to clean up what you wrote. Again nothing personal, I am not against, nor for you here. YOU continue with the tedium of gender, 3rd gender, blah blah blah. I think you are pushing the label in order to make it clear you are not one of "those" people. It seems to be a personal agenda for you. Perhaps you want to be able to say you are BI but are concerned you will be thrown into a broader group that you are not comfortable with? Hence why I don't like labels. If you need to have an identity of "Bi not Pan, damn it" then cool go ahead. But, speaking from my personal experience (and from a few researchers that presented at the APA) most bisexual people do not really split labels to this degree. Trying to split the bi group into too many area's. Now the TG group seems to have many identities as well. Some would be offended to be called bi they were born a woman (with a penis) and love men so they are straight tg person right? Again just too many delineations. Go with what works for you. But don't try to force a tedious delineation on others. When it comes to sex if you are blowing me I don't care what you label yourself. Bi, straight, gay, hell you can call yourself petter pan if you like, I only care if you are good at it ;-)

    One more key point from your reference link:
    Articles on DifferenceBetween.net are general information, and are not intended to substitute for professional advice. The information is "AS IS", "WITH ALL FAULTS".

    The article has no listed author and no references what so ever. In other words a non-substaniated opinion.

    from the article I present "Bisexuals most often have the pressure to choose between gay and straight. They identify themselves as homosexuals or heterosexuals"

    Need I say more that this is a quack article? and yet you want me to label myself or others based on this?

    So cut to the chase, without the mumbo jumbo of pan bi labels, what is your question? I read between the lines as "I have no interest in tg/ts/tv ppl, how about you?"

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    Re: Are you Bisexual or Pansexual?

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    Well, I guess that I'm a quack and a transexual hating guy eh?

    JEEZus people. Yes, I posted that I didn't agree with all in that reference.


    However, there is no evidence that I can find that definitely states that Pansexuals are a subset of bisexuals. Give me proof. I do find that some do see it as a separate sexuality. The point of this thread is fucked on a semantical point.

 

 

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