Shemales

[MarieDelta]

. How anyone could wish harm on such as this beautiful, kindly and funny creature, I just cannot undertsand,

Me either. But they exist, unfortunately.

Beautiful , ugly, inteligent, stupid, accepting and bigotted - trans-women are just like any other woman. We come in all types, none of us perfect. Hopefully, we are trying though.

[darkeyes]

Me either. But they exist, unfortunately.

Beautiful , ugly, inteligent, stupid, accepting and bigotted - trans-women are just like any other woman. We come in all types, none of us perfect. Hopefully, we are trying though.

Yas jus bout perfect 2 me Trollop...

butyas rite...every type a person has those who r gud bad an indifferent wivvin ther ranks... but that dusn giv ne 1 the rite 2 inflict harm..or worse on them...

[vengful-tenkatsu]

I'm a pre op transwoman who is fully functional. However, I refuse to have a complete transition. I'm going to keep the 'secret candy' because I already feel complete. I do live as a woman 24/7 and blend in very well without detection. However, when I finally find Mr.Right, I want him to be respectful and keep the secret to ourselves. I do not want his family or friends to know, much less anyone where I work and my social life.

However, as a transwoman with a fully functional 'candy'... I do not top guys. I love oral, giving AND receiving... but I am totally bottom when it comes to the act of intercourse.

By the way, I hate the word Shemale.

good for you you sound like a strong one like the rest of my friends here you have a stron heart and from what i see with the intersex that used to go to my school the torment they went through the hell the people put them trough ust makes one want to puke

[SexyTanBiBoy]

Yes you have captured one of my favorite fantasies... Unfortunately it seems that most are on film

[Mmonty]

I never knew Shemale was an offensive term.....thanks for the info.

[bimichman]

That would be so HOTT, best of both worlds.

[darkeyes]

That would be so HOTT, best of both worlds.

Nev undastand wy peeps say that.. cos it isn is it? Its summat diff an stands on its own.. besta both worlds is summat diff again...

[MarieDelta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=OSn01MLcUXA

[olly_21]

Yeh definatly she males turn me on bigtym. Always thought they were tbh, disgusting, but as i accepted in myself that i am bi, i started to think wow they have nearly everything, and now i fantazize over them for sure

[tenni]

Marie
I'd like to bring up TranscendMental's comment about "shemales" and hear your opinion. I agreed that basically that a transwoman would not want the penis used as in porn but TranscendMental points out that there are people who identify as male gender but want to look and pass as female. I had a friend who surprised me one day by stating that he wanted breasts. He didn't want his penis removed though and he didn't want a vagina. He definitely appeared very masculine and acted very masculine although he said that he felt like a woman inside. He didn't actually want to be a woman though and be female gender. I thought that he was bi but when he made such statements it seemed very strange.

Do you believe that some people may want to have breasts but identify as male gender? If so, would this term "shemale" not apply as TranscendMental writes?

Hi everyone.

I also appreciate people on this thread sticking up for transpeople, but I have a different perspective to offer regarding the word "shemale".

I have read that the word "shemale" technically refers to a person who is male-identified (their internal sense of self is male), but wants to look and pass as female enough that they undergo electrolysis to remove facial hair and take hormonal or (more commonly) surgical steps to add breast tissue. The reasons I've heard for doing this usually deal with sex, and that "best of both worlds" (their words, not mine) notion.

I know people like this exist, because I have chatted with some online, both here and on another site. They could be confused transsexuals, but they do not identify that way at all. So it would be unfair to assume they are transsexuals any more than it is fair to assume a given crossdresser is a transsexual.

If "shemale" is the word that people want to attach to that concept, I'm ok with that; there's nothing inherently offensive about the word, especially if it's used for that meaning.

But I do not appreciate anyone using the word "shemale" to refer to M2F transsexuals. For one thing, it implies that we are males, when in fact we consider ourselves female (and our brains are female). It also fuels the mistaken notion that we are associated with pornography or that we do what we do for primarily sexual purposes.

The fantasy some people on here express about a beautiful woman with big breasts and a functional penis is not a fantasy about a pre-op transwoman. Extended use of female hormones, especially for long enough to produce mature breasts, significantly decreases both your sex-drive and your sexual performance (erections, not orgasm) to the point where penetrative sex is pretty much out of the question. This is why shemales tend to opt for breast enhancement surgery, rather than hormones. That option doesn't interfere with sexual performance.

So given what was described in the beginning of this thread, I think the title "Shemales" is probably appropriate. But I don't think the thread is talking about transsexuals at all.

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[MarieDelta]

I've met one, in my time in the trans community. He ID'd as a gay man who wanted to have sex with straight men. He was extremely paranoid, as you might expect.

Yes, there are a few out there who do ID as "Shemales", but they are the minority ( as I said before.)

Mostly the "shemales" you see in porn are transsexuals who are sex workers. Viagra makes them able to get hard. There are a few that are not, but they are pretty rare.

Shemale is mostly a construct of the porn industry & not a label we choose for ourselves.

The vast majority of us would rather be women, given the option.

[69luvr]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

I would love it! It can not be any better then what you have described.

[bemyonlyone]

I've met one, in my time in the trans community. He ID'd as a gay man who wanted to have sex with straight men. He was extremely paranoid, as you might expect.

Yes, there are a few out there who do ID as "Shemales", but they are the minority ( as I said before.)

Mostly the "shemales" you see in porn are transsexuals who are sex workers. Viagra makes them able to get hard. There are a few that are not, but they are pretty rare.

Shemale is mostly a construct of the porn industry & not a label we choose for ourselves.

The vast majority of us would rather be women, given the option.

I really hope you're not offended by my asking this, but...I notice on your profile you list "transgendered" as your gender.

Do you personally prefer to identify as female or as transgendered? I was wondering.

I really hope I'm not being rude and don't mean to offend at all.

[MarieDelta]

I really hope you're not offended by my asking this, but...I notice on your profile you list "transgendered" as your gender.

Do you personally prefer to identify as female or as transgendered? I was wondering.

I really hope I'm not being rude and don't mean to offend at all.

I would prefer to be female.

However -

Its my policy to be as honest with folks about this as much as possible.

I do realize that I could have signed in here as "female" and no one probably have ever been the wiser.

Also, coincindentally, these gives me a unique oportunity to speak out for my sisters and brothers.

So I identify (on this forrum at least), as I am, not as I would wish to be.Also this being a dating site, it only makes sense from a safety standpoint, to be honest with folks.

I do generally lead in with this knowledge on most of my profiles on the web. Because one of the main things that I've seen is that when trans folk are killed they say that we decieved them. I dont wish to be a statistic.

Hope that answered your question?

[bemyonlyone]

I would prefer to be female.

However -

Its my policy to be as honest with folks about this as much as possible.

I do realize that I could have signed in here as "female" and no one probably have ever been the wiser.

Also, coincindentally, these gives me a unique oportunity to speak out for my sisters and brothers.

So I identify(i this forrum at least), as I am, not as I would wish to be.Also this being a dating site, it only makes sense from a safety standpoint, to be honest with folks.

I do generally lead in with this knowledge on most of my profiles on the web. Because one of the main things that I've seen is that when trans folk are killed they say that we decieved them. I dont wish to be a statistic.

Hope that answered your question?

Yes, I understand now. Thank you.

[69luvr]

I'm a pre op transwoman who is fully functional. However, I refuse to have a complete transition. I'm going to keep the 'secret candy' because I already feel complete. I do live as a woman 24/7 and blend in very well without detection. However, when I finally find Mr.Right, I want him to be respectful and keep the secret to ourselves. I do not want his family or friends to know, much less anyone where I work and my social life.

However, as a transwoman with a fully functional 'candy'... I do not top guys. I love oral, giving AND receiving... but I am totally bottom when it comes to the act of intercourse.

By the way, I hate the word Shemale.

I enjoy the way that you write. You are to the point and honest! i respect that! I have never heard the term that you used: functional candy" but I do understand it and agree with the way that you feel!

[jamiehue]

going out tonite with the girls"" always fun!

[69luvr]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

NO. It can not get any better then that! I love being with a special person like you described. I love sex that way too.

[Humdidity]

This really was a fascinating thread to read. Some of the posts were so well written and thought provoking. The posts by Samantha Sabrina, TranscendMental and several other posters were just so great to read! I'm so glad these people are part of our community.

I only have two things to add to the thread...

I have never heard the word "shemale" used in an intentionally pejorative way. I'm sure it has been, but not normally. It was not meant to be insulting when it was originally used here. I understand that it has taken on some negative connotations and I certainly understand why one would not want to be referred to that way.


Second and most importantly, I have absolutely the greatest respect for transgendered people, or anyone dealing with gender issues, as they face such difficult and sometimes frightening puzzles with admirable courage and incredible fortitude. I know how confusing and scary it can be when your sexual orientation is not what others expect, want or demand of you, and I know that those who have gender issue, too, must have an even rougher time.

This is a great thread. Read through it all if you have time!

[Robinium]

As this thread has been dug out anyway now, I'd like to ruin some people's fantasies with a couple of facts now. I know I'm evil.

Pre-op or non-op MTFs (male-to-female transsexuals) will probably not offer you the great "woman with hard cock" experience.

First, the hormone therapy makes many of them impotent, so you have no hard cock to play with.

Second, many of them really don't like having a cock to say the least, and it is very bothersome for them to get this part of their body admired or fondled.

So you gotta have the chance to find the exception who is okay with her dangling bits and who can still get a hard-on in spite of the hormone replacement therapy. Good luck.

I'm no tranny chaser but happened to date a very lovely pre-op MTF for half a year. We had a great time together, but our sex life was ... almost non-existing as she was extremely uncomfortable with her private parts. We had sex only once, and this only worked after a lot of figuring out how to get her around the problems she had. She put anaesthetic cream on her dangling parts before so that she couldn't feel anything there, and I only went down on her breasts. After that, she told me it was the best sex she ever had as she did not feel the nuisance plus was treated like a woman. Poor girl.

[MarieDelta]

As this thread has been dug out anyway now, I'd like to ruin some people's fantasies with a couple of facts now. I know I'm evil.

Pre-op or non-op MTFs (male-to-female transsexuals) will probably not offer you the great "woman with hard cock" experience.

First, the hormone therapy makes many of them impotent, so you have no hard cock to play with.

Second, many of them really don't like having a cock to say the least, and it is very bothersome for them to get this part of their body admired or fondled.

So you gotta have the chance to find the exception who is okay with her dangling bits and who can still get a hard-on in spite of the hormone replacement therapy. Good luck.

I'm no tranny chaser but happened to date a very lovely pre-op MTF for half a year. We had a great time together, but our sex life was ... almost non-existing as she was extremely uncomfortable with her private parts. We had sex only once, and this only worked after a lot of figuring out how to get her around the problems she had. She put anaesthetic cream on her dangling parts before so that she couldn't feel anything there, and I only went down on her breasts. After that, she told me it was the best sex she ever had as she did not feel the nuisance plus was treated like a woman. Poor girl.

Sometimes there are "mental work arounds" for the whole thing. But yeah.

Also HRT can sometimes kill your entire sex drive, especially when all the testosterone in your body has been blocked out to a point lower than a cisgender woman.

[Humdidity]

If you think the last two posts were relevant to the subject being discussed, then you didn't read the thread.

[MarieDelta]

If you think the last two posts were relevant to the subject being discussed, then you didn't read the thread.

Whats irrelevant about discussing transsexual sex drive in a thread about transexualism and men who want to be topped?

[transcendMental]

As this thread has been dug out anyway now, I'd like to ruin some people's fantasies with a couple of facts now. I know I'm evil.

Pre-op or non-op MTFs (male-to-female transsexuals) will probably not offer you the great "woman with hard cock" experience.

First, the hormone therapy makes many of them impotent, so you have no hard cock to play with.

Second, many of them really don't like having a cock to say the least, and it is very bothersome for them to get this part of their body admired or fondled.

So you gotta have the chance to find the exception who is okay with her dangling bits and who can still get a hard-on in spite of the hormone replacement therapy. Good luck.

I'm no tranny chaser but happened to date a very lovely pre-op MTF for half a year. We had a great time together, but our sex life was ... almost non-existing as she was extremely uncomfortable with her private parts. We had sex only once, and this only worked after a lot of figuring out how to get her around the problems she had. She put anaesthetic cream on her dangling parts before so that she couldn't feel anything there, and I only went down on her breasts. After that, she told me it was the best sex she ever had as she did not feel the nuisance plus was treated like a woman. Poor girl.

Thank you, Robinium, for exploding these myths. I tried to do it earlier in the thread, and in other threads, but people don't seem to hear it when a transperson says it. Maybe your words will get through.

Humdidity, I'm glad you enjoy this thread, but I don't get how exploding the myth that pre-op transsexuals can satisfy the common fantasy of having a woman with a functional penis is irrelevant to this thread. It directly addresses what the original post was all about, as well as several posts since then.

As Marie says, there are workarounds. I was never so uncomfortable with male genitals that I couldn't have satisfying sex, and I would never have used anaesthetic. But the mental gymnastics involved in making sense of sexual activity tended to make sex a more mentally and emotionally complicated activity than it should be.

To add to Robinium's (and my) words about the effects of hormones on sexual performance, I'll say that after 3 years on hormones, when I could achieve an erection, the erection was pretty painful, and intercourse needed to be a very careful activity. Although estrogen helps a transsexual's brain to function how it was designed to function, it is not kind to erectile tissue.

[Robinium]

If you think the last two posts were relevant to the subject being discussed, then you didn't read the thread.

If you think these posts were irrelevant to the topic, you did not get the topic. Sorry if the postings turned you off. Haha.

[Robinium]

Sometimes there are "mental work arounds" for the whole thing. But yeah.

Sure, the "mental work arounds" work for some people, but for others, they don't work.

[MarieDelta]

Sure, the "mental work arounds" work for some people, but for others, they don't work.

Totally agree. They dont even work all the time , if they do work, for some of us.

[gimmiemore]

My "Two-Cents" here is that as a nation of "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" the current Political Correctness aura in the USA has removed most peoples spines.

Geez, it's just a term, phrase or word folks. Get over it!!

[Robinium]

Thank you, Robinium, for exploding these myths. I tried to do it earlier in the thread, and in other threads, but people don't seem to hear it when a transperson says it. Maybe your words will get through.

Thanks transcendMental. It is important that you don't just shut up on that topic.

Humdidity, I'm glad you enjoy this thread, but I really don't get how exploding the myth that "pre-op transsexuals topping you can satisfy the common fantasy of having a woman with a functional penis" could be irrelevant to this thread. It directly addresses what the original post was all about, as well as several posts since then. Sorry for disappointing you. No, not really sorry... You need to get information about your (maybe?) preferred potential partners before hitting on them. Unless you want it all to keep a private fantasy and never meet such a person even on the internet.

As MarieDelta says, there are workarounds, but it makes sex more complicated and stressful and does not work for everybody. I get along with that pretty well although it's a weird mind-fuck, but that's just me. But I also enjoy watching David Lynch movies and listen to Fad Gadget and loved watching Sixth Sense, Pulp Fiction etc., so mind-fucks of all kinds are just cool and normal for me and I rarely "crash" during sex for trans reasons as long as you don't knead my tits (biggest imaginable turn-off) ...

As I'm FTM (female body turning male) and not MTF (the opposite) maybe people will believe me more as it's still an outsider perspective from me telling this. Even if they don't want to know . Plus, I'm just too much of a sadist to let people live with their irrealistic phantasies and so I rather explode the myths.

Honestly, some people can get around the trans trouble with imagination, but many don't manage to do it or at least it does not work reliably. And if it does not work at all - no chance of ever touching (or sometimes even seeing) their genitals no matter how long you've dated that person. I still don't know how my ex looked like under her pants (but don't miss not knowing it as she was uncomfortable with it herself).

[MarieDelta]

My "Two-Cents" here is that as a nation of "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" the current Political Correctness aura in the USA has removed most peoples spines.

Geez, it's just a term, phrase or word folks. Get over it!!

No one is stopping you from using the term, although you should be aware that if it is persistant you will be treated as being uncouth, and generally insenstive. It's not political correctness, it's called manners.