Shemales

[csrakate]

Kate
I take so long editing my posts sometimes that I actually didn't read the guy's post nor your response. Still, I screw up my posts sometimes....

LOL tenni...don't we all! Sometimes the threads move faster than we do.

As for the OP...I grant him the right to have his fantasies and yes...things are always different in the porn world...but I have learned that many MtoF find it offensive to be referred to as the "best of both worlds"...might be important for him to learn in the event he wishes his fantasy to be reality.

[MarieDelta]

LOL tenni...don't we all! Sometimes the threads move faster than we do.

As for the OP...I grant him the right to have his fantasies and yes...things are always different in the porn world...but I have learned that many MtoF find it offensive to be referred to as the "best of both worlds"...might be important for him to learn in the event he wishes his fantasy to be reality.

Maybe because it doesnt take into account what it is like for us to exist.

It isnt the 'best of both worlds' when you cant get a job, because 'we dont want you in our office'.

It isnt the 'best of both worlds' when you have to pay out tons of money for electrolysis, hormones and therapy.

It isnt the 'best of both worlds' when people tell you that they would rather not be seen with you.

It is not the 'best of both worlds' whenyou hear that someone just like you was killed brutally for being just like you.

It may not be offensive, but it does tell me exactly how sensitive you are to my needs. and it always makes me roll my eyes at you...

[void()]

I'd PDF it to ya , but it also has *rainbow stickers*

Darn it I never get rainbow stickers. *sigh* Probably cause they make me wear the football helmet. Lemme tell ya ... having a mental illness is no fun.

"Oh you poor dear, are you alright? You're not going to have a psychotic episode killing everyone? Wait, are you talking to yourself? Oh you answered too. How quaint."

Personally, if asked out by a transformer I do believe I'd go out and have a great time. If something developed so be it, if not so be that too. Would I ask someone else out? Don't know, might just do it. Then again I usually keep two left feet so tend to err on seeming a bit shy, and I'm INTP. The daft introverted sort of nutter that often forgets days, weeks, months, years.

Folks are folks, really is that simple.

[bemyonlyone]

Are female bisexuals attracted to transexual m2f part way through their transition?

I am. For me, it depends entirely on the person, who they are, nothing else. It's not about what parts someone has for me. Maybe that's why some aspects of this conversation offend me so much.

Sometimes I think my sexuality would be more accurately described as pansexual, sometimes I don't want to label my sexuality at all.

[darkeyes]

So much for the learning experience. After 23 posts, someone hasn't learned a thing.

Quite a number I expect Mumsie.. all 2 many... an u kno wot? They dont give a bugga!!!

[darkeyes]

Ok...Ladies...Are you going to permit the man's question to be dealt with?

His question was, Tenni.. "can it be any better?" For some no.. for most almost certainly yes.. for me..definitely (Sorry Marie.. but ya kno me luffsya!!).. its the way we are.. we all like different things and pursue them in our own way...

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Shemale is definately an outdate terminology. These beautiful people deserve better than what the porn industry gives them, and should still be treated like the ladies that they are.

My best friend in Jr High was born with both sex organs, and suffered horribly because of her parents and Grandparents religious beliefs. She was made to feel less than she was because of being born this way, and altho she indetified as female, he father tried turning her into a little boy simply because she had a cock and Mono-Orchid balls. All of her personal parts were functional (Thats a long story for another time...lol) and she had to endure all kinds of what "I" considered to be torture to conceal her cock(Which was by no means small) Binding clothes and having to forego certain activities hurt her more than anyone could know. She was a sweet and lovely young lady and it always hurt me deeply that her own Mother treated her like she was some kind of freak by the way she treated her.

We were friends and eventually lovers up until middle high school when she was attacked at a pep rally one night and was found out. She wasnt hurt badly, but the head of the football team was when she tried putting his balls up inside with her knee..lmao
Her family was so humiliated that they packed up and moved as soon as the school contacted them wanting to know Why they hadnt been notified of their daughters "Condition" Stupid people....
Never heard from her again until I was married and had kids of my own. She was still beautiful and the same wonderful lady that she had been when I knew her. I only regret we didnt get to spend more time together in private..so did she..lol
She's now a fashion designed living in L.A. :}
Cat

[69luvr]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

[bemyonlyone]

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

*shakes head*

[MarieDelta]

We were friends and eventually lovers up until middle high school when she was attacked at a pep rally one night and was found out. She wasnt hurt badly, but the head of the football team was when she tried putting his balls up inside with her knee..lmao
Her family was so humiliated that they packed up and moved as soon as the school contacted them wanting to know Why they hadnt been notified of their daughters "Condition" Stupid people....
Cat

It always amazes me that these fools think they have a right to know what is in our britches.

If you arent going to bed with me, it isnt your business...

For what its worth fran, I figured that out about you a long time ago Its all good, no worries.

[MarieDelta]

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

I always avoid going to bed with fools, but that's just me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=BOjeZnjKlp0

[OmegaGray]

I, for one, am very glad of all these posts, because all though I do attempt to educate myself about everything around me, learning from others who are more experienced or knowledgeable is still the best way.

I very easily could have made a mistake or faux pas, and still may, relating to some LGBT issue, because the community is so diverse and complex. I'm sure after a life-time of learning and experiences people will still be susceptible to mistakes. (My apologies beforehand for any ignorance on my part).

I do think Transgendered and intersex men and women can be beautiful and I would love to know more about the people, both their struggles and their joys. I think human beings naturally struggle to comprehend ideas that surpass dualities (man and woman, good and evil, etc) and, therefore, it is a responsibility invoked by our intelligence to diversify our outlook and expand our horizons.

Thank you to Marie and the rest of the community for your patience. Please keep educating me and fighting that ignorance!

[darkeyes]

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

What you really mean is you get struck well.... and the rest of the time you strike out.. and you enjoy it? O well.. it takes all kinds..

[MarieDelta]

I, for one, am very glad of all these posts, because all though I do attempt to educate myself about everything around me, learning from others who are more experienced or knowledgeable is still the best way.

I very easily could have made a mistake or faux pas, and still may, relating to some LGBT issue, because the community is so diverse and complex. I'm sure after a life-time of learning and experiences people will still be susceptible to mistakes. (My apologies beforehand for any ignorance on my part).

I do think Transgendered and intersex men and women can be beautiful and I would love to know more about the people, both their struggles and their joys. I think human beings naturally struggle to comprehend ideas that surpass dualities (man and woman, good and evil, etc) and, therefore, it is a responsibility invoked by our intelligence to diversify our outlook and expand our horizons.

Thank you to Marie and the rest of the community for your patience. Please keep educating me and fighting that ignorance!

OmegaGray, You are welcome.

As I said , I've made my share of mistakes. In my opinion, if you make a mistake honestly and make an effort to learn from it. Then I think most folks will be understanding.

[cliffordmontero]

Well, I personally know a couple transgendered people who do identify as "shemale" but they do so in an attempt to reclaim the term, much in the way some african americans are reclaiming the word "nigger".

In my experience working at a community center that attracts all members of the lgbtq community I find the best words to use when refering to someone are their own. When I meet someone I learn their name, and I use that . . . alot . . . and a while i will come out and ask what pronouns they prefer. Sometimes a person is transgendered and may not have learned to start presenting their true gender yet . . . or maybe they are too early in their transition to feel comfortable presenting it . . . you dont know until they tell you, and never assume.

That really femme guy may be just that, a femme guy. That other other person who also looks like a femme guy might be a ftm, you dont know until you talk to them and possibly ask.

[MarieDelta]

[transcendMental]

Hi everyone.

I also appreciate people on this thread sticking up for transpeople, but I have a different perspective to offer regarding the word "shemale".

I have read that the word "shemale" technically refers to a person who is male-identified (their internal sense of self is male), but wants to look and pass as female enough that they undergo electrolysis to remove facial hair and take hormonal or (more commonly) surgical steps to add breast tissue. The reasons I've heard for doing this usually deal with sex, and that "best of both worlds" (their words, not mine) notion.

I know people like this exist, because I have chatted with some online, both here and on another site. They could be confused transsexuals, but they do not identify that way at all. So it would be unfair to assume they are transsexuals any more than it is fair to assume a given crossdresser is a transsexual.

If "shemale" is the word that people want to attach to that concept, I'm ok with that; there's nothing inherently offensive about the word, especially if it's used for that meaning.

But I do not appreciate anyone using the word "shemale" to refer to M2F transsexuals. For one thing, it implies that we are males, when in fact we consider ourselves female (and our brains are female). It also fuels the mistaken notion that we are associated with pornography or that we do what we do for primarily sexual purposes.

The fantasy some people on here express about a beautiful woman with big breasts and a functional penis is not a fantasy about a pre-op transwoman. Extended use of female hormones, especially for long enough to produce mature breasts, significantly decreases both your sex-drive and your sexual performance (erections, not orgasm) to the point where penetrative sex is pretty much out of the question. This is why shemales tend to opt for breast enhancement surgery, rather than hormones. That option doesn't interfere with sexual performance.

So given what was described in the beginning of this thread, I think the title "Shemales" is probably appropriate. But I don't think the thread is talking about transsexuals at all.

tm

[open2both]

NOTHING better!!!

[Samantha Sabrina]

Hey everyone,

As a Real Life M2F TG I would like to add something to this subject.

After starting to write this I realized it is pretty long and might even drift off topic some, but the drifting helps to understand my take on the subject.

I do not claim to be an expert, or be a “Know it all”, this is all based on my real life experiences, and the research I have done in order to understand myself and what I am going thru, and how I think.

NONE of this is intended to suggest anyone else is wrong or does not know what they are talking about.

I honestly have not read all the responses so I am not commenting on any certain reply, just the subject in general.

Whatever anyone chooses to call me it is just a term or label, I take no offense to any of it.

Most of the terms or labels used for someone like me are simply misused as most people don't fully understand what each one actually means, (most don't really care, lol).

For me the biggest misused term is CD, (Crossdresser), which I am not, a CD is one who lives as their born gender and simply enjoys or gets excitement from dressing as the other gender from time to time, (usually in private, in the closet), but there are those that do go out in public.

What very few people understand is we are all born with BOTH Genders inside us, it all comes down to which gender is the most dominate, this internal (conflict for the lack of a better word), is responsible for several different things in our lives, everything from how we talk, walk, look, act, carry ourselves, everything, and yes even if we are attracted to the same gender or the opposite gender or BOTH, (something to think about huh), now some choose to do their best to conform to what society expects us to be, (it can be rather hard sometimes), consider the really macho kind of guy with a high pitched voice, rosy red cheeks, baby face, ect, (BTW, this was a DI I had in boot camp, he was as macho as they come and straight as an arrow), he has a lot of the male gender in him, but the female gender is prominent, thus the baby face, higher pitched voice, and rosy red cheeks.

Most guys are 90 % male, and 10% female, thus they are MEN, they have few if any female traits that are visible, and few if any conflicting thoughts or feelings, now this percentages can vary anywhere from there on, I have several very close and dear friends that feel they were born the wrong gender, and suffer greatly from GID, (Gender Identity Disorder), and these are the people that would actually go thru with SRS, (I know some that have, some that are working on it, and others that want it so badly yet can’t, and it is destroying their lives), this all holds true for the girls as well.

Personally I fall smack dab in the middle of the spectrum, I am 50/50, I have known all my life that I had a “Fem” side, I have always been Bi, I have never had a problem being with either sex, BUT, I lived the first 50 years of my “Public” life to suit everyone else and I pretended to be what I was “Expected” to be a “Man”, yet in private I “played” at being what I felt more comfortable being which is a “Female”, for the most part I blocked out the “Fem” side, but 3 years ago I finally decided it was time to let her out and give her a chance.

Now this is where things get interesting….

I am very happily married to my wife of 18 years now, she is still my Best Friend, and I Love her Dearly, ( she has not only accepted my fem side but she has helped, supported, and embraced it), (not the Bi part though, oh well can’t have everything), but here is what we have both learned from me changing from living life as a male to living as a female, (yes 24/7 now), the first difference is the biggest, my demeanor, as a guy I was always so high strung, tense, aggressive and just a prick in general, now as Samantha, I am much more sensitive, understanding, calmer, Happier, easy going, ect., life is just so much better for me this way, I should have done it many years ago.

This is why I refer to myself as a TG versus any of the other terms people use, (again none of the terms or labels offend me), I have also learned I actually have not just 2 different and separate Genders inside me, but I have 2 separate and independent Personalities as well, 1 is male and the other IS Female, and they are as different as night and day, he is Dominate, Aggressive, sloppy, angry, tense, high strung, and all that where she is Submissive, Very Neat, considerate, laid back, relaxed, and everything else he is not.

I take my role as a Female just as seriously as I took my role as a Male, (hey I pulled off being a Man for 50 years and got away with it, giggles), and this holds true with every aspect of my life including sex, when I am with a “Man”, I expect to be the “Female”, (granted I can only go so far as I am a pre op, and have NO plans to have the SRS), but the point is as Samantha I have no desire to top another guy, for the most part I prefer the male parts don’t even exist, but then I do have to admit that some fondling does add a degree of excitement to the mix, but I am taking Herbs, (hormones are too dangerous), to grow my breasts, and just like the hormones the side effects are the same, it is more difficult to get an erection, (not impossible but it is harder).

In public when not with a Man I do act like a “Lady”, I look, walk, carry myself, and even sound like a female, now when I am with a Man, I act the way he wants, (to a degree in public), but behind closed doors I go be anything from the perfect “Lady” to the dirtiest “Slut”, I can be pretty versatile, lol.

Making the transition from male to female requires tons of work and effort, I have always looked very young for my age, (at 35 I could not get in a bar without showing ID), but I do suffer from all the male hair, so taking a bath is a 2+ hour event, by the time I shave everything from my eyes down, wash my hair, (long natural blonde), brush my teeth, put on body lotions, and all that, (guys if you ever wonder why women take so long to get a bath and get ready, just try it once, lol), now if I am going out I have to add another ½ to 1 hour for makeup, fixing my hair, getting dressed, ect., (it mostly depends on where I am going…shopping versus going out on a date or to party), nothing personal her girls (GGs), but if I am leaving the house I refuse to dress in ANYTHING sloppy, unlike my guy side that has no problem going out shopping while he looks like a homeless bum, as Samantha I wear clothes that are nice, neat such as nice chick jeans, pant suit, skirt & top or dress, although I have to admit a pair of cut off jeans (would make Daisy Duke blush), and a nice top are ok once in awhile.

I do wear acrylic nails, paint my toe nails, and all the other things girls do, and I LOVE it, the down side to all of this is in my marriage I am still the one that has to do the “Guy” type stuff, ( I took on the responsibility when I said I DO, and I will honor that commitment), when I have to let the “Guy” side out to do things he is responsible for he has NO concept of all the time, work, and effort I put into being Samantha, he breaks my nails, scratches my hands, arms, and legs, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR…..and have you ever tried to get grease from under long acrylic nails?

He is really good at doing a lot of things 9not much he can’t do), I just look better doing them, smiles.

Again I have 2 different and independent personalities, (at least I do have enough control over them that he does not try to come out when I am in a skirt, and vice versa), but if I have to change to guy mode then his personality does indeed come out and take over.

Guys, if you think GGs are complicated come spend some time with me, giggles.

OK I think I have rattled enough about this for now, and I am sorry it is so long, but I felt like my experience might help someone get a better understanding of what someone like myself feels and why.

If anyone is interested in hearing or learning more about this (from my perspective anyway), I will be glad to answer questions.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

Huggggggggggs

Samantha

[**Peg**]

Samantha you are one classy individual IMO.

[bicuriousman2]

I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

[MarieDelta]

I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

Its ok honey, just try to be a bit more careful next time...

[bemyonlyone]

I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

I don't know. Does the word "shemale" sound like something you call a person? I feel like people should just instinctively know that's wrong.

Regardless...you made a mistake. You apologized, we can move on.

[Long Duck Dong]

I don't know. Does the word "shemale" sound like something you call a person? I feel like people should just instinctively know that's wrong.

Regardless...you made a mistake. You apologized, we can move on.

actually a couple of my friends refer to themselves as shemales, its their personal choice, and how they id themselves and how they want to be seen
just cos a few people have issues with the term, doesn't make it wrong to use....

there are gay people that call themselves queer, and others that take offense to gays being called queer......
it would help if you learnt a lil more about what is right and wrong, before you tell others they should know better

[ohbimale]

First let me say I am not trying to offend anyone. As a bi man I admit to having thought it would be ideal to partner up with a transgendered m2f pre-op for the reasons given by the OP. However I did do some research - mainly reading - and found out that usually the m2f transgendered person identifies as a woman and has been on female hormones causing her to have the same emotional responses as other women. Plus the m2f transgendered person usually does not think of their cock as an asset, but an abnormality since they should have been born a woman with breasts and a vagina. I do not claim to be an expert, but knowing what I know today I still think it would be nice to befriend a m2f transgendered person if the opportunity ever presents itself because I would like to get to know her for who she is without any notion of what will or will not happen...just make a new friend.

[IanBorthwick]

Have to point out, I was shocked when I saw the title of this thread and avoided coming in her. As I have my own issues and do not wish to come private about myself all I can say is Marie and all of our transgendered friends are VERY patient and I want to show my support for your patience with people like the OP, as well as to tell you I appreciate your presence here in our little slice of life.

[Delilah]

I'm a pre op transwoman who is fully functional. However, I refuse to have a complete transition. I'm going to keep the 'secret candy' because I already feel complete. I do live as a woman 24/7 and blend in very well without detection. However, when I finally find Mr.Right, I want him to be respectful and keep the secret to ourselves. I do not want his family or friends to know, much less anyone where I work and my social life.

However, as a transwoman with a fully functional 'candy'... I do not top guys. I love oral, giving AND receiving... but I am totally bottom when it comes to the act of intercourse.

By the way, I hate the word Shemale.

[Delilah]

We all have to learn sometimes

I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

[elian]

I've always said that being bi is about loving someone for more than simply what is between the legs..

[darkeyes]

Last night when we were in the pub a friend of Kate's from work came over to say hello. With her she had the most beautiful woman. We were introduced and chatted for a while before setting off to a club. This beautiful woman laughed and chatted just as any of us, was as raunchy as any of us and as funny, serious and as normal a human being as you could wish to meet. It transpired that she was a pre op transgendered woman which left us gobsmacked. How anyone could wish harm on such as this beautiful, kindly and funny creature, I just cannot undertsand, but I do know that there are no doubt many, both male and female who would wish to spend much time in her company. Yes.. Fran was indeed smitten...