Cigarettes and bigger people.

[TwylaTwobits]

I have read this thread kinda in disbelief, but shouldn't surprise me you find people who complain about smokers everywhere. But to start complaining about overweight people on a site where everyone is free to be themselves??? Guess some are free to be idiots. You live your life the way you want I'll live mine the way I want. I happen to smoke, I also happen to be overweight... but guess what? I have a man that loves me as much as I love him and he loves me for who I am not what I look,taste or smell like.

[☠Tüff Littl3 ÇοOkiÊ☠]

this is so true..
as a smoker
i say this is very wrong!
on both ways
live your life
nd let me live mine!!!
=]

[void()]

I fairly much concur with izzfan's original post in thread. Understand I'm not really a militant smoker, however. I tend to be respectful and thoughtful of others. Ultimately it falls to my life, live your own ... said without malice or malcontent.

Though once I felt quite malicious. Christy, my wife and I frequented a Chinese eatery. We'd been going in once or twice a week for over at least a year, perhaps longer. They had the front reserved for smokers, back for non-smokers. As it happened I had finished eating, wife had too, lit a fag. Two older ladies came in and were escorted to their seats in the non-smoking area.

"Smoking in a place like this! They really ought to have a law!" One of the ladies said loudly enough to be overheard as they were very few people in. There is a law and the place was complying with it, and still not inconveniencing their patrons. Boy did that lady's comment make want to walk back and stub my fag out in her plate of food!

Fortunately, Christy reminded me to be 'polite'. The young Chinese woman who escorted the ladies in came over to us. "My apologies, can I get you two anything else?" Said with a purely genuine and sincere smile. I grinned. We were finished at any given.

"No thank you. I think the air will do us good now. We loved our meal and the service, thank you." I said, and we got up and left. It wasn't the young woman's place to apologize, but she did as her loyal patrons had observed a stinging remark from other patrons. That makes a restaurant great!

Our meals at the place seldom averaged $8 a plate. Food needs not expense to be good.

Merely humble opinions voiced, take or leave as you choose.

[Cdasue]

Ok...Well at least for the most part this seems to be a somewhat genuine question.

According to a poll done recently (this was mentioned on the radio) the happiest women in the world wear a size 12. Of course now that size is considered to be a "plus" size, which is just plain crazy....anyhow.

I have been a bigger girl all my life and have heard the rude comments people muttered under their breath. I am not obese by any means but have still had to deal with the rudeness of others.

We are so quick to judge others when really we have no right to do so unless we ourselves are squeeky clean.

So smoke if you want but just obey the law I won't say anything.

But next time you see a fat person with a cheeseburger, fries and Coke (Yes I'm fat and I drink Coke not D I E T Coke) you really cant say anything because there are no laws forbidding us to not eat that...lol.

BTW, I do eat salads, veggies, fruits to but sometimes we all like to have a litte bit of Heaven on a bun.

[izzfan]

To all of those who claim that obesity is not due to genetics and other factors, I found this fascinating article on BBC news today which might make for some interesting reading: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7838668.stm

I fairly much concur with izzfan's original post in thread. Understand I'm not really a militant smoker, however. I tend to be respectful and thoughtful of others. Ultimately it falls to my life, live your own ... said without malice or malcontent.

Though once I felt quite malicious. Christy, my wife and I frequented a Chinese eatery. We'd been going in once or twice a week for over at least a year, perhaps longer. They had the front reserved for smokers, back for non-smokers. As it happened I had finished eating, wife had too, lit a fag. Two older ladies came in and were escorted to their seats in the non-smoking area.

"Smoking in a place like this! They really ought to have a law!" One of the ladies said loudly enough to be overheard as they were very few people in. There is a law and the place was complying with it, and still not inconveniencing their patrons. Boy did that lady's comment make want to walk back and stub my fag out in her plate of food!

Unfortunately in the UK we do have a law about it (a somewhat draconian ban on smoking in all indoor areas accesible to the public, bars/restaurants workplaces etc.. aren't even allowed to have smoking rooms), this probably explains why I am so "militant" about it. Also, having grown up in an area where most people I know are anti-smoking, when I visit home I have to be on the defensive LOL!

[alegrias]

I've resisted replying to this thread because I understand what a sensitive topic it is.

First, I want to say that people can be just as addicted to certain foods as people are to cigarettes. Often people are addicted to the very foods that cause them the most problems and they don't even know it. I've seen that happen to people I love dearly. I'm also a recovering carb addict myself. If I eat one potatoe chip, corn chip, or cookie, I could easily end up eating the whole bag.

So harrassing people about their diet or cigarettes is not likely going to help them to change, and could very well make them mad at you, or want to avoid you. It's not like they don't know it's bad for them. They just can't help themselves.

There are also people who try to eat a healthy diet but still have problems with their weight.

On the other hand, I see what a mess our health care system is in here in the US. And I believe that many, many health problems in this country can either be blamed on cigaratte smoking, or eating too much of the wrong thing, or both. Cancer, high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etc., etc. That's certainly true for my loved ones. We ALL pay for that in many ways, including higher insurance premiums.

To fix our problems, we need to address their root causes, rather than harrass people suffering the consequences already. Ask ourselves, WHY are we in the middle of an obesity epidemic? What changes have occurred in the American diet over the last 30-40 years that have caused the explosion of weight problems? I can think of a couple of things: the !@#$!^ food pyramid and the prevalence of ingredients such as a high fructose corn syrup. When I was a kid (before the obesity epidemic) we had the 4 food groups, but not the pyramid. And you'll see what I mean about high fructose corn syrup if you try avoiding it for a while.

[alegrias]

According to a poll done recently (this was mentioned on the radio) the happiest women in the world wear a size 12.

I currently wear a size 12 and I'm VERY happy. I'd be happier in a size 10, though.

[Mr. Magick]

I appreciate that you care, I really do. It nice to see that these days. However you are beating the same old drum. Im not trying to be combative here but those of us who smoke and could use a little more activity in our lives have heard it all before. Our society (especially the media) are quite fond of reminding us of why they think we are wasting our lives and endangering ourselves with our personal choices. It reminds me of the people who are telling me I can't be Bi because it doesn't exsist. Again I do thank you for caring but some people feel more worthless when someone goes to the trouble of point out what they already know. Often you are dealing with issues of addiction with both over-eating and cigarettes. I was diagnosed with diabetes a little over a year ago and I can tell you that life changes are extremely difficult for some of us. It's not a matter of simply putting down the cheeseburger, especially for those of who are over a certain age. Again, I am not trying attack what you said. It is nice to know that people who don't have these problems care about those of us who do.

[Annika L]

I've resisted replying to this thread because I understand what a sensitive topic it is.

First, I want to say that people can be just as addicted to certain foods as people are to cigarettes. Often people are addicted to the very foods that cause them the most problems and they don't even know it. I've seen that happen to people I love dearly. I'm also a recovering carb addict myself. If I eat one potatoe chip, corn chip, or cookie, I could easily end up eating the whole bag.

So harrassing people about their diet or cigarettes is not likely going to help them to change, and could very well make them mad at you, or want to avoid you. It's not like they don't know it's bad for them. They just can't help themselves.

There are also people who try to eat a healthy diet but still have problems with their weight.

On the other hand, I see what a mess our health care system is in here in the US. And I believe that many, many health problems in this country can either be blamed on cigaratte smoking, or eating too much of the wrong thing, or both. Cancer, high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etc., etc. That's certainly true for my loved ones. We ALL pay for that in many ways, including higher insurance premiums.

To fix our problems, we need to address their root causes, rather than harrass people suffering the consequences already. Ask ourselves, WHY are we in the middle of an obesity epidemic? What changes have occurred in the American diet over the last 30-40 years that have caused the explosion of weight problems? I can think of a couple of things: the !@#$!^ food pyramid and the prevalence of ingredients such as a high fructose corn syrup. When I was a kid (before the obesity epidemic) we had the 4 food groups, but not the pyramid. And you'll see what I mean about high fructose corn syrup if you try avoiding it for a while.

BLESSED BE! Thank you...this was basically my point. I've considered writing in again to clarify it, but I've become rather turned off by the intolerant tone of most of this thread...now you've solved both problems for me!

[Mr. Magick]

As long as we're on the subject. Does anyone know a good aid to stop smoking I really would like to quit.

[rissababynta]

Eat lots of food so you get obese like CherokeeMountaincat, Annika L, or that fat piglet rissababynta and her fat spawn that she bred from her greasy cunt.

Ok, normally, the troll is just another little nuisance that just bugs people for a while, but this is ridiculous now. Drew, this is going way to far. Waaay too much violance and hate this time, even if it is only to het a rise.

[darkeyes]

Eat lots of food so you get obese like CherokeeMountaincat, Annika L, or that fat piglet rissababynta and her fat spawn that she bred from her greasy cunt.

Poxy gett! Go bak an crawl bak up the rats arse from wenceya came......

[rissababynta]

Fran, I do love you ever so much lol

[Delilah]

wow, i never post, but this one hit a nerve. i am a smoker and overweight. i have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE. i am an AMERICAN. but...i cant smoke where i want to or when i want to because of these smoking bans. i can go to the nearest corner and buy any drugs i want tho...hmmmmm something is definately wrong with this picture. all of you non smokers need to consider what rights the government will take from you. are you ready to give up your guns.
As far as my weight, it's a daily battle. but i work on it, and it's my business.
BTW..i'm a very happy person. i left my husband, bought my own house, and am taking care of myself and my 2 children. it's not easy but i'm very happy

Sister, you rock!

[vintagehonda]

Yeah I'm one of those "bigger people" and many, upon seeing me, would think me obese. Some might actually be rude enough to say it. But when it comes to my health my doctor and me both know. Every person reading this has a right to look foolish.

I see my doctor (he's a skinny guy) regularly and receive a full battery of tests regularly. Here's what he says after all those tests. Your blood pressure's high but you're properly medicated for it. Your blood panel is good; all of the chemicals are where they're supposed to be. Your heart works very well. Your lungs work very well. Your good and bad cholesterol are very good. Your liver panel is good. Your aerobic exercise is good and your diet is good enough; eat a little less if you want to lose weight and keep watching the salt. You're properly vaccinated and your passport is current. Keep doing what you're doing and have fun doing it; just remember that you're not 26 anymore.

Go ahead, argue with my doctor. WebMD doesn't know me. The CDC doesn't know me. HMOs who buy television commercials don't know me. Standing in front of me telling me to stop eating cheeseburgers proves ignorance of me. I don't eat cheeseburgers. My father is 78 and other than a bit of cancer (it's really a small amount, they got it all, and he's responding well to radiation), he's as healthy as me. My grandfather on my dads side died at 88 or 89. I have better nutrition and exercise habits than either of them did. My mom's father died before I was born in an accident.

Doubting that I'm healthy begs an invitation to come play 90 minutes of 11v11 soccer on the team opposite mine. They keep inviting me to the O-50 league and I keep kicking butt in the U-30 bunch. Or, put on a three day backpack and try to follow me from the western slope of the high Sierras to the eastern slope; it's usually about 20 miles though I constantly look for trails I've never used. The heaviest thing I carry there is water; bring a lot because the stuff I carry is for keeping me alive.

Or maybe it would be better to not make ill informed and offensive assumptions about me and my health and try to get along with me instead. I'm smart, funny, loyal, and caring. I'm pretty active too.

vintagehonda

[rissababynta]

Yeah I'm one of those "bigger people" and many, upon seeing me, would think me obese. Some might actually be rude enough to say it. But when it comes to my health my doctor and me both know. Every person reading this has a right to look foolish.

I see my doctor (he's a skinny guy) regularly and receive a full battery of tests regularly. Here's what he says after all those tests. Your blood pressure's high but you're properly medicated for it. Your blood panel is good; all of the chemicals are where they're supposed to be. Your heart works very well. Your lungs work very well. Your good and bad cholesterol are very good. Your liver panel is good. Your aerobic exercise is good and your diet is good enough; eat a little less if you want to lose weight and keep watching the salt. You're properly vaccinated and your passport is current. Keep doing what you're doing and have fun doing it; just remember that you're not 26 anymore.

Go ahead, argue with my doctor. WebMD doesn't know me. The CDC doesn't know me. HMOs who buy television commercials don't know me. Standing in front of me telling me to stop eating cheeseburgers proves ignorance of me. I don't eat cheeseburgers. My father is 78 and other than a bit of cancer (it's really a small amount, they got it all, and he's responding well to radiation), he's as healthy as me. My grandfather on my dads side died at 88 or 89. I have better nutrition and exercise habits than either of them did. My mom's father died before I was born in an accident.

Doubting that I'm healthy begs an invitation to come play 90 minutes of 11v11 soccer on the team opposite mine. They keep inviting me to the O-50 league and I keep kicking butt in the U-30 bunch. Or, put on a three day backpack and try to follow me from the western slope of the high Sierras to the eastern slope; it's usually about 20 miles though I constantly look for trails I've never used. The heaviest thing I carry there is water; bring a lot because the stuff I carry is for keeping me alive.

Or maybe it would be better to not make ill informed and offensive assumptions about me and my health and try to get along with me instead. I'm smart, funny, loyal, and caring. I'm pretty active too.

vintagehonda

hell yeah. rock on.

[darkeyes]

Fran, I do love you ever so much lol

...awww yas gettin me a lil flushed....ta me luffly... luff u an all Ris...

[PolyLoveTriad]

Ok, normally, the troll is just another little nuisance that just bugs people for a while, but this is ridiculous now. Drew, this is going way to far. Waaay too much violance and hate this time, even if it is only to het a rise.

No worries Rissa and Cat sounds like they are jaded they cant have the 2 of ya! Jealousy so sucks for them eh

[rissababynta]

No worries Rissa and Cat sounds like they are jaded they cant have the 2 of ya! Jealousy so sucks for them eh

He's just a wanker

[Long Duck Dong]

I am a smoker.. and in todays world I am becoming more and more limited in my choice of death

due to changes in laws, my opinions for choosing my manner of death are heavily limited... hell I am not ever allowed to die with diginity, if I end up in a coma, they can pull my feeding tube and starve me to death and thats considered humane.... but a bullet is not

sure I smoke and I hear the crowds boo at me as I sit at my computer and read about their concerns of how my smoking 10k miles away, increases their chances of second hand smoke inducing cancer......

I happen to love my mildly overweight body.... its not super model material and I am not really gonna be a porn star.... hell even my webcam refuses to work if I take my shirt off...... but stuff it.... my hand loves me :p

I have respect for non smokers.... I do not and try not to smoke in the presence of a non smoker.... I respect the fact that I can no longer smoke in the workplace, the local pub or any other place that non smokers may be....
but I like to smoke..... I like sex too, but smoking is my main option.....

I love the way that I am told that kissing a smoker is like kissing a ashtray..... and yeah I am kinky, but kissing a ashtray ??? sorry... them non smokers must be totally kinky if they kiss ashtrays..... and sorry but I think kissing nagging non smokers is like kissing a unwiped asshole...and thats one thing I have no plans to do.......

while the health freaks want me to stop smoking, eat healthy and get fit....I will argue that eating healthy will add $150 more a week to the food bill, and once the health system that my smoking and work taxes paid for, repair / replace my left knee, my right shoulder, my back etc, I will look at getting health..... until then... I will continue to smoke......cos its a simple pleasure for me

to the non smoking people that think I am disgusting and stupid for smoking.... I said this...... you are the ones that are pointing the finger at me and wasting your live worrying about me... when I am not worrying about me, and enjoying my smoke..... so please... live your life for you.... not me....and we will both be happy.... and horny.....but happy

[rissababynta]

I am a smoker.. and in todays world I am becoming more and more limited in my choice of death

due to changes in laws, my opinions for choosing my manner of death are heavily limited... hell I am not ever allowed to die with diginity, if I end up in a coma, they can pull my feeding tube and starve me to death and thats considered humane.... but a bullet is not

sure I smoke and I hear the crowds boo at me as I sit at my computer and read about their concerns of how my smoking 10k miles away, increases their chances of second hand smoke inducing cancer......

I happen to love my mildly overweight body.... its not super model material and I am not really gonna be a porn star.... hell even my webcam refuses to work if I take my shirt off...... but stuff it.... my hand loves me :p

I have respect for non smokers.... I do not and try not to smoke in the presence of a non smoker.... I respect the fact that I can no longer smoke in the workplace, the local pub or any other place that non smokers may be....
but I like to smoke..... I like sex too, but smoking is my main option.....

I love the way that I am told that kissing a smoker is like kissing a ashtray..... and yeah I am kinky, but kissing a ashtray ??? sorry... them non smokers must be totally kinky if they kiss ashtrays..... and sorry but I think kissing nagging non smokers is like kissing a unwiped asshole...and thats one thing I have no plans to do.......

while the health freaks want me to stop smoking, eat healthy and get fit....I will argue that eating healthy will add $150 more a week to the food bill, and once the health system that my smoking and work taxes paid for, repair / replace my left knee, my right shoulder, my back etc, I will look at getting health..... until then... I will continue to smoke......cos its a simple pleasure for me

to the non smoking people that think I am disgusting and stupid for smoking.... I said this...... you are the ones that are pointing the finger at me and wasting your live worrying about me... when I am not worrying about me, and enjoying my smoke..... so please... live your life for you.... not me....and we will both be happy.... and horny.....but happy

holy shit, I was LITERALLY laughing every 5 seconds while reading this lol

[darkeyes]

Wud neva slag peeps off for bein a smoker cos wos 1 mesel till few years bak .. an wud nev slag ne 1 off for bein ovaweight cos lotsa peeps who r r dead yummie an hav went out wiv quite a few who r both... course both conditions can an do do harm.. peeps kno that they r not gud for em.. but 2 keep treatin em like pariahs dus nowt but demean em an ruin in many instances..ther self esteem..an then wot dus they do?? Lite up an munch lotsa fatty stuff.. bit counta-productive me wud say..

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I dont smoke, I never have..but I come from a family that Did. Even my boys smoke. I have been big all of my adult life,, mainly after having three kids back to back starting at 16.
All of the women on the Germanic side of my Father were tall/big people, all the ones on the Native American half from my Mother are all small, short in stature. I am in between. I am not Reall tall, being 5'8 and have the German build. I am not the type to scarf down food, or graze at the salad bar, I'm just the type that is Big. Deal with it, its me..lol.
Genetics play a large part(no pun intended) on a persons phyiscality and traits.
I dont run down smokers, I am allergic to cig smoke so I try to stay away from those who are smoking if I can help it. I dont tell them, "Your lungs are fall off one of these days" or "Go drink some Lysterine before you even Think about kissing me!" That's not my style.

I learned many years ago that people all have their thoughts and conjectures, and they are intitled to them. I tell people, "Hey, this is me, this is the end product, and if you cant handle me For me, then fuck off" lol

All of you here can see me, I dont try to hide what I look like and who I am, and most of you accept me As me, and I love you all greatly for that very purpose. In the words of my Generation, "What you see is what you get" Carry on, and always be You, M'loves.
Opinionated old Cat

[vintagehonda]

Lovely, thanks for the social experiment, some of you answered intelligently and others went off on an immature rant, which in my opinion negates the argument and point completely.

AndYouMake3: You need to calm down. Judgment will always happen to you, or to anyone with something anyone would consider abnormal or askew. This person has a right to their opinion which I overwhelmingly agree with that person, this wasn't a personal attack on you, don't make it that way.

Cat: There is way too much of this "DNA" BS. In fact how much of America is overweight and really...really how much is "DNA". I'm a lover of science but the science doesn't amount to as much people are really diagnosed too. A lot of these bigger people I frown upon because of their attitude towards life, I deal with A GOOD AMOUNT of people who are morbidly obese and hate lief and everyone else for their own problems
(Here it comes from someone: Yeah well it's not just obese people that hate the world too). Please...obesity adds quite a bit more problems than with someone healthier because society doesn't find it acceptable, therefore everyone's dream of being accepted by people really does rule out a certain group. How do they feel as a whole that they aren't looked upon the same way Heidi Klum is? I'm sure they are dandy. (and I'm sure alot of you insecure people will speak up at this point saying you are just happy.......oh I'm sure you are)


-In the end it's all about perception, if you are truly beautiful on the inside it will somehow radiate on the outside, even if it goes through a thicker skin sometimes you can really see it. Society doesn't work that way though and it won't change, obesity isn't some fad that will kick in and everyone will go crazy for. There's a reason why doctors want you to lose weight, because it can eventually kill you, and I am NOT FOR anything that will prematurely kill you like it already did half my family. (heart disease)

So here I am, getting fit (well really fit) beating the odds of this "DNA" of heart disease that they say can happen to run down on families. You can stop that, and so I am. So can you, everyone can live to their potential and STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR IT.

(closure).

I didn't read this until just a few minutes ago. Then I read her profile. BumbleB needs not worry; I don't come to this site to talk to children and her post here perfectly illustrates the need for maturity tests. With her suggestion of (closure) she signals that she has had her tantrum, deflected correction, revisited her tantrum, and has her hands over her ears and her eyes closed while holding her breath.

I'll stick with mature adults. Thanks but no thanks BumbleB

[eddy10]

I feel everyone should have the right to be free to do or be anything they want ... provided they are not interfering with other folks right to do the same.