I think that some people here are using heterosexual definitions of what sex is when you really shouldn't do that when you're not heterosexual.
Like saying how oral sex isn't really sex. Or how oral sex should be seperate from anal/vaginal penetration since in the minds of many heterosexuals oral sex isn't sex, even if in Bill Clinton's mind it isn't and that penetrating a vagina with a cigar or a finger isn't sex either.
Not all gay/bi, or even heterosexual people do anal/vaginal penetrative sex or soley define sex as being only anal/vaginal penetration.
For example I've had sex with men and women where I tied them up and whipped them until they had an orgasm, and it was clear that we were having sex even though no penetration took place.
Yes, this was ALL safe, sane, and consensual for those that think I'm sick, twisted, and a horrible human being for doing kink with other consenting adults.
As for myself I was 10 when I first had sex with a guy and I was 20 when I first did with a woman.
I also think that some people have read way too many erotic stories, seen the movie The Graduate too much, or read too many Penthouse letters.
Like the post about having the "ultimate heterosexual male fantasy" of having sex with a girl and her mother and the mom is perfectly OK with the guy having sex with both her daughter and herself. Of course the mother is older, experienced, and teaches the inexperienced virginal man everything about sex.
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