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    Baltimore and Bigotry

    Questions stand out about discrimination and bigotry in Baltimore.


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    …Geraldo is more tolerant than I am…that ass-hole be up in my face like that & I’d be kicking him on the shin…FYI: a good kick to the shin draws instant tears & temporary blindness…long enough for a disabling strike of some kind…the loud mouth should be in jail for being part of the riot…instead of part of a peaceful demonstration…& there is a damn big difference between the 2…

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    Interesting interpretation Charles.
    Where I live there has been much discussion about the criticism supposedly coming from Baltimore Blacks about the media coverage. The position is that the media ignores Black peaceful protest that has been going on in Baltimore and now is focusing on the riots.

    https://youtu.be/4ZSK9viJFEg
    Last edited by tenni; May 1, 2015 at 2:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Interesting interpretation Charles.
    Where I live there has been much discussion about the criticism supposedly coming from Baltimore Blacks about the media coverage. The position is that the media ignores Black peaceful protest that has been going on in Baltimore and now is focusing on the riots.

    https://youtu.be/4ZSK9viJFEg
    Yeah...like a talking head libtart like Stewart actually gave a shit about Baltimore at all before any of this happened.

    I take the comedians Stewart and Colbert and their shows and what they say, about as seriously as I take weekend update on Saturday night live; but snl skits are a lot more funnier than anything Stewart and Colbert have ever done or lampooned for "news".

    Have you even ever been to Baltimore Tenni? I have many times, parts of it are nice; but a lot of it isn't that nice and it should not surprise anyone with how rioting, burning, and looting happened there.

    As an ex of mine would say, "Baltimore is a shithole".
    Last edited by pole_smoker; May 1, 2015 at 2:52 PM.

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    More parents in Baltimore should have done the same thing, or raised their children the right way so they would not put themselves in danger, or act like total thugs or lawless animals destroying things, rioting, and looting.

    This is far more effective than a thug being rude, and getting all in a person's face just for attention since the cameras were running. Had he been polite, and not so loud and rude he would have been far more effective.


    Last edited by pole_smoker; May 1, 2015 at 3:03 PM.

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    Last edited by pole_smoker; May 1, 2015 at 3:19 PM.

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    I don’t know where I place myself with the complaint that bail for black poor rioters are being set way out of the possible realm of reason for poor, black unemployed youth families to make bail. This has been a point of contention.

    The young man turned himself out of fear that the police would break down his door and beat him.

    “The young man in the blue hoodie seen in pictures smashing police cars during violent protests in Baltimore has a name and a family. He is Allen Bullock. He voluntarily surrendered to police, only to be held on half a million dollars' bail, an amount his parents say is “ridiculous.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/so-much-money-baltimore-teen-who-surrendered-held-500-000-n351606

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    Quote Originally Posted by pole_smoker View Post


    More parents in Baltimore should have done the same thing, or raised their children the right way so they would not put themselves in danger, or act like total thugs or lawless animals destroying things, rioting, and looting.

    This is far more effective than a thug being rude, and getting all in a person's face just for attention since the cameras were running. Had he been polite, and not so loud and rude he would have been far more effective.


    …this lady is a hero…more mothers should be like that…

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    I don’t know where I place myself with the complaint that bail for black poor rioters are being set way out of the possible realm of reason for poor, black unemployed youth families to make bail. This has been a point of contention.

    The young man turned himself out of fear that the police would break down his door and beat him.

    “The young man in the blue hoodie seen in pictures smashing police cars during violent protests in Baltimore has a name and a family. He is Allen Bullock. He voluntarily surrendered to police, only to be held on half a million dollars' bail, an amount his parents say is “ridiculous.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/so-much-money-baltimore-teen-who-surrendered-held-500-000-n351606
    …the bail should fit the crime…not the parents pocket book…if he can’t make the bail…set it out in jail…or BETTER yet…don’t do the crime…

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Interesting interpretation Charles.
    Where I live there has been much discussion about the criticism supposedly coming from Baltimore Blacks about the media coverage. The position is that the media ignores Black peaceful protest that has been going on in Baltimore and now is focusing on the riots.

    https://youtu.be/4ZSK9viJFEg
    …does this give him the right to get up in someone else’s face & violate the very rights that he’s demanding?...I think not…

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    I don’t know where I place myself with the complaint that bail for black poor rioters are being set way out of the possible realm of reason for poor, black unemployed youth families to make bail. This has been a point of contention.

    The young man turned himself out of fear that the police would break down his door and beat him.

    “The young man in the blue hoodie seen in pictures smashing police cars during violent protests in Baltimore has a name and a family. He is Allen Bullock. He voluntarily surrendered to police, only to be held on half a million dollars' bail, an amount his parents say is “ridiculous.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/so-much-money-baltimore-teen-who-surrendered-held-500-000-n351606
    I have no sympathy for people like him. He belongs in jail, not out on bail. If he and his family are now bitching and moaning about how he's in jail and not out on bail then they have nobody but themselves to blame for their son or his own actions.

    The majority of black people in or around Baltimore did not riot, loot, or destroy businesses or attack police, and they are aghast at the black people who did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pole_smoker View Post
    I have no sympathy for people like him. He belongs in jail, not out on bail. If he and his family are now bitching and moaning about how he's in jail and not out on bail then they have nobody but themselves to blame for their son or his own actions.

    The majority of black people in or around Baltimore did not riot, loot, or destroy businesses or attack police, and they are aghast at the black people who did.
    …here…here…get all the thugs off the street & in jail & the descent black people & their property will be safe…

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles-smythe View Post
    …the bail should fit the crime…not the parents pocket book…if he can’t make the bail…set it out in jail…or BETTER yet…don’t do the crime…
    I agree with the mother who went after her son when she saw him on TV. I would hope that bail not be discriminatory based on race. It would be good if parents of all races supervised their adult/teen children.

    I don't have the link handy but the argument has been that what is called a riot and what is called "overexcited" sports fans...mostly white.

    I believe that the argument is about justice. Is it just to let "overexcited white sports fans who do damage" and not 'overexcited Black protesters against violence towards other blacks? The argument goes to unemployed with no real hope of getting a good job.

    Toronto and some other large cities have experienced "sports" rioting. We're they given a half million dollar bail? Toronto has had accusations of carding black youth. This is an issue that goes beyond a few cities in North America. Toronto has just hired its first black chief of police. He was carded on the way to his swearing in ceremony. He says that carding will not end but it will be examined and hopefully better applied. Carding, beating people who fear that they will be mistreated all may be connected. This seems to be a racial complaint. I do recall being pulled over several times at 16 just after I got my drivers licence. Police comment connected me to a 'so called" similar car and young person having just committed a crime. I'm not saying if I am black or white.
    Last edited by tenni; May 1, 2015 at 4:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    I agree with the mother who went after her son when she saw him on TV. I would hope that bail not be discriminatory based on race. It would be good if parents of all races supervised their adult/teen children.

    I don't have the link handy but the argument has been that what is called a riot and what is called "overexcited" sports fans...mostly white.

    I believe that the argument is about justice. Is it just to let "overexcited white sports fans who do damage" and not 'overexcited Black protesters against violence towards other blacks? The argument goes to unemployed with no real hope of getting a good job.

    Toronto and some other large cities have experienced "sports" rioting. We're they given a half million dollar bail? Toronto has had accusations of carding black youth. This is an issue that goes beyond a few cities in North America. Toronto has just hired its first black chief of police. He was carded on the way to his swearing in ceremony. He says that carding will not end but it will be examined and hopefully better applied. Carding, beating people who fear that they will be mistreated all may be connected. This seems to be a racial complaint. I do recall being pulled over several times at 16 just after I got my drivers licence. Police comment connected me to a 'so called" similar car and young person having just committed a crime. I'm not saying if I am black or white.
    You're white/Caucasian tenni.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuckiesDarling
    No, Jim Riley, it isn't. Not editing that out either... hide some more?






    You also have way too much white guilt but let's consider the source you're from or near Toronto, and don't live in reality and instead live in a world of extreme Political Correctness.
    Last edited by pole_smoker; May 1, 2015 at 4:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    I agree with the mother who went after her son when she saw him on TV. I would hope that bail not be discriminatory based on race. It would be good if parents of all races supervised their adult/teen children.

    I don't have the link handy but the argument has been that what is called a riot and what is called "overexcited" sports fans...mostly white.

    I believe that the argument is about justice. Is it just to let "overexcited white sports fans who do damage" and not 'overexcited Black protesters against violence towards other blacks? The argument goes to unemployed with no real hope of getting a good job.

    Toronto and some other large cities have experienced "sports" rioting. We're they given a half million dollar bail? Toronto has had accusations of carding black youth. This is an issue that goes beyond a few cities in North America. Toronto has just hired its first black chief of police. He was carded on the way to his swearing in ceremony. He says that carding will not end but it will be examined and hopefully better applied. Carding, beating people who fear that they will be mistreated all may be connected. This seems to be a racial complaint. I do recall being pulled over several times at 16 just after I got my drivers licence. Police comment connected me to a 'so called" similar car and young person having just committed a crime. I'm not saying if I am black or white.
    …when it comes to setting bail…throw the book at the sports fans too…

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    …I never noticed Tenni was Canadian…that explains some of her/his opinions…


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    You also have way too much white guilt but let's consider the source you're from or near Toronto, and don't live in reality and instead live in a world of extreme Political Correctness.[/QUOTE]


    rule 2 violation Discuss the issue not the poster. I feel sorry for the person that you think that I am.

    Did you notice this Charles?
    You also are violating rule 2
    "…I never noticed Tenni was Canadian…that explains some of her/his opinions…"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    rule 2 violation Discuss the issue not the poster. I feel sorry for the person that you think that I am.
    Tenni those are pics of you. You're from Burlington Ontario, and are a white male, with the name as DuckiesDarling posted. Or are you going to lie about even more things as you always do, and stay deeply locked in the closet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    You also have way too much white guilt but let's consider the source you're from or near Toronto, and don't live in reality and instead live in a world of extreme Political Correctness.

    rule 2 violation Discuss the issue not the poster. I feel sorry for the person that you think that I am.

    Did you notice this Charles?
    You also are violating rule 2
    "…I never noticed Tenni was Canadian…that explains some of her/his opinions…"[/QUOTE]…I didn’t say anything negative about your opinions…I just said that finding out you were from canada made me understand them better…don’t tell me that my being from texas doesn’t give you insight to my opinions…you need to get the beam out of your eye before you get the mote out of your neighbors…

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    Here are the six racist cops.

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    Here are the six racist cops.
    I wonder what the media will say since 3 of them are black/African-American?

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    Cutilao
    Is this a racist issue if half of the police involved in Mr Gray's death? Could it also be a "justice" issue?(like some are argung0

    Could it be a systemic racist situation? Systemic ignoring bisexuality in the media, history, movies etc. is called Bi Invisibility and sometimes Bi Erasure. It is still anti bisexual. The people involved may be looked at as possibly biphobic.

    This Baltimore situation could still be a justice and racial issue. How many white people are shot or killed by the police while trying to arrest them?
    Last edited by tenni; May 1, 2015 at 11:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Cutilao
    Is this a racist issue if half of the police involved in Mr Gray's death? Could it also be a "justice" issue?(like some are argung0

    Could it be a systemic racist situation? Systemic ignoring bisexuality in the media, history, movies etc. is called Bi Invisibility and sometimes Bi Erasure. It is still anti bisexual. The people involved may be looked at as possibly biphobic.

    This Baltimore situation could still be a justice and racial issue. How many white people are shot or killed by the police while trying to arrest them?
    White people get shot and killed by the police all the time...if they do things like attack an officer, go for his/her weapon, or pull a gun/weapon out, etc.

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    "White people get shot and killed by the police all the time...if they do things like attack an officer, go for his/her weapon, or pull a gun/weapon out, etc."


    This is not the situation with the killing of Freddy Gray nor some other killing of Black men this year.

    Attack an officer-no
    go for a weapon-apparently not. He had a small legal knife but no one has stated that he tried to stab anyone.

    Reports tonight point to the fact that Mr Gray was hand cuffed in the truck but not secured. Apparently, it has been pointed out that police in Baltimore had a tendency of driving a black man swerving the truck back and forth to rough up the man. Mr Gray was supposedly driven to several places eradic fashion not on the direct route to the police station.


    Last edited by tenni; May 2, 2015 at 12:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    "White people get shot and killed by the police all the time...if they do things like attack an officer, go for his/her weapon, or pull a gun/weapon out, etc."

    This is not the situation with the killing of Freddy Gray nor some other killing of Black men this year.

    Attack an officer-no
    go for a weapon-apparently not. He had a small legal knife but no one has stated that he tried to stab anyone.
    Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri attacked the officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pole_smoker View Post
    Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri attacked the officer.
    Tenni talked of some other killing of black men. He did not mention Michael Brown... neither he or Freddie Gray have been the only black men killed by police in (to say the least) disputed and/or contentious circumstances...
    Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.

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    Here is a rather graphic display about police arresting a drunk, white, 28 year old woman and violently forcing her to the ground. No charges were laid against this woman.

    http://jezebel.com/new-video-shows-b...e-i-1701029653

    Another reason to support body cams on cops: a newly released video out of San Francisco shows a Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) police officer slamming a drunk woman down to the ground rendering her unconscious in a pool of blood with multiple face fractures and broken teeth.
    Megan Sheehan, 28, was arrested for being drunk and belligerent at a BART station on St. Patrick’s Day of 2014. According to police reports she struggled with police while arrested and then in the car ride over to the Santa Rita Jail in Dublin, Sheehan urinated and tried to wipe herself on arresting Officer Nolan Pianta’s pants.
    Once Sheehan was escorted into the lobby of the jail she began to riffle through her purse, after Pianta told her to stop Sheehan flicked a hair tie at him. According to Pianta’s incident report, he then attempted to handcuff Sheehan but she tried to punch him.
    “To protect myself from her attack and to stop her attack on me,”Pianta wrote, “I used an arm bar takedown and guided her to the ground. Upon guiding her to the ground, she landed on her face and appeared to go unconscious.”

    As you can see from the graphic video (start at minute 1:22) Pianta’s description of “guiding” Sheehan to the ground with an “arm bar” is bullshit (we originally had a video from Pianta’s body cam which readers said was unclear).


    Sheehan’s attorney, Lizabeth de Vries, told SF Gate, “I think the officer acted out of spite, I think he was extremely upset about feeling disrespected by the fact that my client threw the hair tie at him. I think he reacted in a way that was completely disproportionate to the facts and circumstances presented to him.”
    No criminal charges were brought against Sheehan, who spent two days in the hospital recovering from her injuries, which totaled four broken cheek bones, a split molar and a cracked front tooth. Sheehan has filed a federal lawsuit against Pianta and BART.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Cutilao
    Is this a racist issue if half of the police involved in Mr Gray's death? Could it also be a "justice" issue?(like some are argung0

    Could it be a systemic racist situation? Systemic ignoring bisexuality in the media, history, movies etc. is called Bi Invisibility and sometimes Bi Erasure. It is still anti bisexual. The people involved may be looked at as possibly biphobic.

    This Baltimore situation could still be a justice and racial issue. How many white people are shot or killed by the police while trying to arrest them?
    Looks like the perfect scorecard for diversity bingo. Double points if the black broad is a leth bian.

    Next up bullshit bingo. Cards read with phrases such as "lessons will be learned", "moving forward" and "fully investigated".

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Here is a rather graphic display about police arresting a drunk, white, 28 year old woman and violently forcing her to the ground. No charges were laid against this woman.

    http://jezebel.com/new-video-shows-b...e-i-1701029653

    Another reason to support body cams on cops: a newly released video out of San Francisco shows a Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) police officer slamming a drunk woman down to the ground rendering her unconscious in a pool of blood with multiple face fractures and broken teeth.
    Megan Sheehan, 28, was arrested for being drunk and belligerent at a BART station on St. Patrick’s Day of 2014. According to police reports she struggled with police while arrested and then in the car ride over to the Santa Rita Jail in Dublin, Sheehan urinated and tried to wipe herself on arresting Officer Nolan Pianta’s pants.
    Once Sheehan was escorted into the lobby of the jail she began to riffle through her purse, after Pianta told her to stop Sheehan flicked a hair tie at him. According to Pianta’s incident report, he then attempted to handcuff Sheehan but she tried to punch him.
    “To protect myself from her attack and to stop her attack on me,”Pianta wrote, “I used an arm bar takedown and guided her to the ground. Upon guiding her to the ground, she landed on her face and appeared to go unconscious.”

    As you can see from the graphic video (start at minute 1:22) Pianta’s description of “guiding” Sheehan to the ground with an “arm bar” is bullshit (we originally had a video from Pianta’s body cam which readers said was unclear).


    Sheehan’s attorney, Lizabeth de Vries, told SF Gate, “I think the officer acted out of spite, I think he was extremely upset about feeling disrespected by the fact that my client threw the hair tie at him. I think he reacted in a way that was completely disproportionate to the facts and circumstances presented to him.”
    No criminal charges were brought against Sheehan, who spent two days in the hospital recovering from her injuries, which totaled four broken cheek bones, a split molar and a cracked front tooth. Sheehan has filed a federal lawsuit against Pianta and BART.
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    …I’ve never been a cop so I can’t speek for them…BUT I have been a bouncer in clubs…and the most problamatic people to deal with are combative drunk women…you’re forced to use violance to control them whether you want to or not…so I well understand some poor officer having to resort to violance…even though he knows that he’s going to catch 9 kinds of hell & be the bad guy…just from personal experience I’d all most bet money that she brough the rough treatment on herself…

 

 

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