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    Gay Editor Comes Out As Bisexual

    This is from a few months ago, so you might have seen this then: Don Weise, a prominent gay literary figure, has come out as bisexual after having a LTR with a woman:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/don-we...b_5460545.html

    As part of the new edition of Bi Any Other Name, the classic anthology of bisexual writings that Loraine Hutchins and Lani Ka'ahumanu edited almost 25 years ago, there's a new introduction that looks at where we were around bisexuality when the book was first published in 1991 and where we stand today. For me, their editor, one of the more surprising statistics they cite is the fact that no national LGBT organization has an openly bisexual board member. Finding this difficult to believe, I said, "Surely the Human Rights Campaign or Lambda Legal has bisexual board members." Not one openly bisexual board member, they told me. Yes, there was a bisexual woman they knew of on a national board, but she chose not to come out as such. As much as we know that the closet is a sad place, and while I personally frown on closeted gay people in most instances, I could relate to not wanting to disclose all of who you are, sexually speaking, when you're already dealing with the ongoing, daily hassles around just being gay. Who wants to add another layer to one's outsider status, especially within one's own community? In fact, I found it completely understandable that someone would serve on the board of a national LGBT organization and remain closeted about their bisexuality, because I did it myself.
    Until speaking with Loraine and Lani, I hadn't really thought of myself as closeted, since I've never self-identified as bisexual in the first place, even though that's the truest name for what I am. And why would I self-identify as such when, if you lined up all the men I've been with end to end, they would reach to the moon and back, while my experiences with women are so limited that they could be written about on the back of a postcard? Besides, I often have a hard-enough time relating to the priorities of the mainstream gay community that I could only imagine what a bisexual community, for all its own complexities, might look like.
    James Baldwin once said, "I've loved a few women, and I've loved a few men." As dubious as his claim sounds, considering the source, I can say that I have indeed loved a few women, but the math around men in his statement would have to be adjusted to account for the fact that there has been some form of a gay bathhouse in almost every city I've lived in or visited for the past 25 years. For me that's the tough part: squaring these numbers and still being able to call myself bisexual. Or as playwright Arthur Laurents once said about Gore Vidal's alleged bisexuality in the face of his self-avowed boy-a-day routine, "The numbers speak for themselves." Numbers, it would appear, do matter and, if nothing else, seem to serve as a reliable indicator of the primary object of one's affections, but is that really the case?
    Now, I realize that there are many people in the gay community who subscribe to the Arthur Laurents school of sexual labeling. I too once believed that numbers speak for themselves. But the problem, I've learned, is that numbers alone don't paint a complete picture. In other words, is the number of same-sex partners any of us has had the best measure of our sexual orientation, or is there more at play? This is not an abstract, philosophical question for me; it's what I asked myself once I became romantically involved with a woman 10 years after coming out as gay.
    I met her at a dinner party in San Francisco. I don't know that I was aware right away that I was physically attracted to her -- certainly I knew she was beautiful, but I was just as impressed by her intelligence, unbridled humor, and the talent evidenced in the first novel she'd just published. The dinner host, a book reviewer and a lesbian, had invited us because she'd just reviewed both of our new books and wanted to meet. What started out as a kind of Will & Grace coupling over coffee dates and afternoons browsing bookstores soon became more, much to our mutual surprise.
    I'd had a couple of girlfriends, briefly, before I came out, so this development didn't come as a total surprise -- to me anyway; to everyone else it seemed the equivalent of discovering I could walk on water. I think "fascination" is the word I'd apply to the rapt attention I received from friends and colleagues who knew me as a gay man with a colorful past. Was I serious? people seemed to wonder. How in the world would I make it work?
    You may be wondering how all those men I mentioned, the ones reaching to the moon and back, fit into the equation. So did a lot of people. The most frequent curiosity expressed -- either directly or indirectly, since it wasn't always an easy question to ask or answer -- was how I could go from casual encounters with so many men to a monogamous relationship with a woman. I still don't have an answer for that except to say I was committed to my partner and that our sex life was as good as if not better than most of the sex I'd had with men, so much so that it took about a year before I even started to miss relations with guys, but not enough to seek them out.
    My partner and I got engaged, though a wedding date wasn't ever set. We also started planning for a child, something that excited us. But of course I wondered what a kid coming up with a gay father would make of my relationship with his or her mother, or what other children would say if they found out. I didn't have to worry. My partner called off the engagement after some months, feeling it was too soon after her divorce. She'd had no time to process her feelings from that breakup and sometimes brought unresolved issues into our relationship. In fact, she also called off our relationship of two and a half years at the same time for these reasons.
    There's a reason I haven't addressed my bisexuality publicly till now. From the time I first came out, the gay community at large hasn't been a place where I felt comfortable or confident expressing who I really am without the risk of being ridiculed or derided. I listened to what gay men and lesbians thought, quite openly, about bisexuals (fence-riders, basically, who enjoy heterosexual privileges while partnering with members of one's own sex). As far as I was concerned, I was a gay man who was attracted to women, but I've seldom come out about that for fear of becoming an outsider among outsiders. I didn't trust that even my gay male friends (or especially my gay male friends) would relate, and most of all, I didn't want any of my women friends -- mostly lesbians -- to ever think my fondness for them was anything but platonic. So what accounts for the difference now?
    Thinking about my conversation with Loraine and Lani and what reissuing their book meant to me on a personal level, I started to feel that maybe for the first time I was hiding who and what I am, if only to avoid dealing with people's unpredictable reactions. Then there's the concern over making statements that may upset gay people, such as the fact that, in an unfortunate, backwards way, the horrible and blatantly false statements the right wing makes about us ("He hasn't met the right woman," "Being gay is a choice") for me are accurate to a degree: Until meeting my partner, you could say I really hadn't met the "right" woman, and living an exclusively homosexual romantic life for me really is a choice, one I gladly make.
    When I call myself bisexual, I'm opening myself up to other people's interpretations -- favorable or not -- of what that means to them. I don't especially want to seek out a bisexual subculture, because I don't think I'd feel at home there. Nor do I want to take part any longer in self-definitions that limit me as being something that I'm not, namely homosexual. You may ask why that's important to me -- isn't it a fine line in my case anyway? I guess I'd say it's about desire: who and what I desire versus who and what I'm expected to desire. Surely gay people can relate to that: Isn't coming out about declaring who and what we desire in the face of who and what we're expected to desire? Said differently, I'd like to be free to consider myself a gay man who's fundamentally bisexual or a bisexual who's primarily gay. I don't know that it matters which I choose, or if I choose. What matters to me is coming to the most authentic expression of who I truly am and living from that place, openly. Besides, in the end, whatever we call ourselves, isn't it about love anyway?

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    Re: Gay Editor Comes Out As Bisexual

    Good article. It's rare to hear about a gay man coming out as bisexual, for the reasons that he mentions. (I've had a gay friend in the past that I wondered at the time if he was attracted to me because of some of the things he did and said.)

    Quote Originally Posted by iamgarbanzo View Post
    Besides, in the end, whatever we call ourselves, isn't it about love anyway?

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    Over the years, I've had a few conversations on-line with gay men who were "curious" about women. Wonder how those situations turned out.

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    It is an interesting article. For me, it demonstrates that "coming out" is more political for some than a personal issue. For some it is very political as in gay politics.

    I have read a couple of times where men who have identified from their early 20's reach 40's and begin to question their sexual attraction. The one man wrote about that if he were to have sex with a woman (never had it before but had grown curious) that he would need a man present in order to be comfortable.

    Another point that I noticed is that Weise is trying or struggling with himself about "fitting in" to a heterosexual vs homosexual continuum rather that a bisexual vs monosexual continuum. He writes about desire. He writes about feeling more comfortable in a gay community rather than a bisexual community. (good luck on finding a bisexual community in your local geographic community)
    Last edited by tenni; May 1, 2015 at 1:22 PM.

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    Who?

    No it's not that rare I have met lots of men who first identified as "gay" for years or even decades, before they realized that they're bisexual.

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    Depending on how one wishes to define bisexuality, I would think a lot of self- described lesbians and gay guys would fit the description. Again, it depends how you define it.

    I've wrote here before about the two lezzies in that story on bisexuality in (was it?) the New York Times. When asked if they had sex with men before, they said yes. Did they enjoy it? Yes. Would they do it again? Yes. Yet they insist they're flaming lezzies.

    The girls that live behind me are a lesbian married couple. I asked them those same questions. They refused to answer. I suspect because they felt it brought into question their fidelity. Hey, I'm thinking if they would answer No to those questions, their fidelity shouldn't be an issue. I'm assuming they would answer Yes to those questions thus I might consider them bisexual. Yet, admittedly, for all intents and purposes right now they are lesbian.

    Then there's the gay guys I've seen in other forums saying they'd never had sex with women before but were now becoming interested in the idea. Bisexual? I'd say pretty close and there's probably a lot more gay guys we haven't heard from that switch sides but consider themselves gay.

    I guess it's all about labels and how one wishes to describe themselves but, my way of thinking says a lot of the self described gay and lezzie folks could probably fall under the bisexual label.

    That aside, as Tenni pointed out, it may be a lot of it involves one's politics, along with what social group the want to be seen as part of.

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    Oh, sure. Now he says he's bisexual...then the next thing you know *bang* he's straight! Or he likes walruses or something. Let's face it, bisexuality is nothing more than a transitory phase between one sexuality and the next.
    I hope my achievements in life shall be these: that I will have fought for what was right and fair, that I will have risked for that which mattered, that I will have given help to those who were in need...that I will have left the earth a better place for what I've done and who I've been. (C. Hoppe)

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    I wonder what would prevent a gay-identified man from exploring his hetero desires. I think Weise indicates two possible reasons: (1) he didn't want to mess with his gay identity and (2) casual sex is much easier with men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annika L View Post
    Oh, sure. Now he says he's bisexual...then the next thing you know *bang* he's straight! Or he likes walruses or something. Let's face it, bisexuality is nothing more than a transitory phase between one sexuality and the next.
    Annika, you sure haven't been reading much on here. Bisexuality is NOT a transitory phase or if so, many folks (male and female) have been transiting their whole life!
    To the point of the original post, I think many gay men are reticent to admit bisexuality because gay is better tolerated in today's world than bi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedInSeattle View Post
    because gay is better tolerated in today's world than bi.
    That's not true at all.

    People of all genders/sexes and sexual orientations, even gay/lesbian, and heterosexual people know about bisexuality and that people can be bisexual even if they're not bisexual. It's been this way for decades, or were you not paying attention, out as bisexual, or sexually active during the 70s or 80s at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pole_smoker View Post
    That's not true at all.

    People of all genders/sexes and sexual orientations, even gay/lesbian, and heterosexual people know about bisexuality and that people can be bisexual even if they're not bisexual. It's been this way for decades, or were you not paying attention, out as bisexual, or sexually active during the 70s or 80s at all?
    Isn't it now? Well, people may know of bisexuality and known of it for decades, but it is questionable to say the least whether it can be claimed as being more or as well tolerated than homosexuality.. especially when considering the status of the sexuality of men... if that is what u are claiming...
    Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkeyes View Post
    Isn't it now? Well, people may know of bisexuality and known of it for decades, but it is questionable to say the least whether it can be claimed as being more or as well tolerated than homosexuality.. especially when considering the status of the sexuality of men... if that is what u are claiming...
    People of all genders/sexes, and sexual orientations know that men can be bisexual too, and that quite a number of men are bisexual. Big surprise society has known this for a long time, and not just in the past two decades either.
    Last edited by pole_smoker; May 2, 2015 at 5:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pole_smoker View Post
    People of all genders/sexes, and sexual orientations know that men can be bisexual too, and that quite a number of men are bisexual. Big surprise society has known this for a long time, and not just in the past two decades either.
    I wasn't questioning any of that at all... neither was Seattle... I was agreeing with him that bisexuality (I would argue especially in men... the jury is out in respect of women in society as a whole) is less tolerated than homosexuality.. I dont think u were agreeing with him at all were u? U disgreed with him then waffled on about a point he hadn't made.. nw u just repeat the waffle this time without the claim...
    Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.

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    You are correct darkeyes. There is empirical evidence that bisexuality is less tolerated by heterosexuals according to summation of research back in 2002. It linked it to such factors as frequent attendance at religious services,adherence to a conservative political ideology,and lack of prior contact with gay people (seealso Eliason, 1997).

    " Based on this rationale, hypotheses were formulated about the relationship of attitudes toward bisexuals with other variables in fourareas:
    1. Demographic correlates: Heterosexuals will express more negative attitudes to the extentthat they are older, have less formal education,report a lower income, are married and havechildren, and reside in an area where culturallyconservative attitudes predominate (i.e., theSouth, Midwest, and rural areas).
    2. Religious and political correlates:Heterosexuals will express more negativeattitudes to the extent that they are politicallyconservative and highly religious.
    3. Psychological correlates: Heterosexuals will express more negative attitudes to the extentthat they manifest characteristics consistent withpsychological authoritarianism and holdtraditional attitudes concerning gender andsexual behavior.
    4. Contact correlates: Heterosexuals will express more negative attitudes to the extent thatthey lack previous contact with other sexualminorities (viz., lesbians or gay men). "

    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/facult...r_2002_pre.pdf
    Last edited by tenni; May 2, 2015 at 7:24 AM.

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    "In general, society is pretty tolerant of female bisexuality, but it remains rather condemnatory of the male equivalent.
    There are various reasons for this.

    • In most countries, sexual contact between males was illegal until recent times.
    • There are still parts of the world where it can get you badly beaten up or imprisoned.
    • In areas where bisexuality is associated with promiscuity (like certain large cities), there is an undoubted risk of catching infections.
    • Some men feel threatened by bisexual males, probably because deep-down they fear being seduced.
    • Some women feel that bisexual behaviour by men is a threat to the institution of marriage.

    It's noteworthy that very few women are 'turned on' by the idea of 'male-male' sex action. This is a remarkable contrast with the attitude of men – many of whom get excited by the notion of 'female-female' sex.
    Read more: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/sex-and-r...#ixzz3YylgfXFF "


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    Regards yr last few sentences, tenni, darlin'... that's cos really, we r yummier than u lot, cuddlier, smell an' look betta, r more hygeinic and r generally much more imaginative and (overwhelmingly) don't have jaggie faces wiv wich 2 rip shreds out of each otha and cause plooks here an ther, we look less grilla-ish...... we generally r just sexier an' nicer and r just so much more in demand.... and o so much more fun...

    .... as a gay girl u expect me 2 say owt different?
    Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.

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    Dark
    The last line is still quoting from the article.
    I can not dispute your experience with women as to whether f/f or m/m are more imaginative. I might say that many men find some women not that imaginative after five to ten years. Some women are though. I see your point about a jaggie face ripping your face to shred. On the other hand it can be fun to feel the jaggie facial hair against your scrotum as a bud goes down on you...lol

    women more cuddly...generally because a lot of guys are too cockcentric to explore beyond cock. Women can be lovely cuddlers oh yes.

    as a gay girl I expect no less of you.

    As a biguy I promote both..lol

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    Tenni, nobody cares about your boring "poor bisexuals!!!" professional victim song and dance routine that you usually do here on this site. Or how you're promoting homophobia and heterophobia as usual since you're a bigot.


    The fact is that nobody that's gay/lesbian, bi, or trans has it any "easier" than any other group. Heterosexual people also do not always have it easier either.


    You're also posting stuff that's completely outdated only because it promotes your "Bisexuals should be professional victims...since I am...in my locked closet!!!" agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenni View Post
    Dark
    The last line is still quoting from the article.
    I can not dispute your experience with women as to whether f/f or m/m are more imaginative. I might say that many men find some women not that imaginative after five to ten years. Some women are though. I see your point about a jaggie face ripping your face to shred. On the other hand it can be fun to feel the jaggie facial hair against your scrotum as a bud goes down on you...lol

    women more cuddly...generally because a lot of guys are too cockcentric to explore beyond cock. Women can be lovely cuddlers oh yes.

    as a gay girl I expect no less of you.

    As a biguy I promote both..lol
    Yeah everyone knows how you tenni/Jim Riley love to be bi and gay married men's booty call, cum dumpster, side piece, and fuck buddy...and nothing more. But that's how you got infected with STDs you have given to other people; but you've had unsafe sex.

    These are pics of Tenni/Jim Riley, from Burlington ontario even though he'll deny it and lie about it as usual as he's a pathological liar...and that closeted.





    Quote Originally Posted by DuckiesDarling
    No, Jim Riley, it isn't. Not editing that out either... hide some more?


    Last edited by pole_smoker; May 3, 2015 at 12:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annika L View Post
    Oh, sure. Now he says he's bisexual...then the next thing you know *bang* he's straight! Or he likes walruses or something. Let's face it, bisexuality is nothing more than a transitory phase between one sexuality and the next.
    I'm hoping that was tongue in cheek, or I have to question why you are on a bisexual site.

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