Why do some people think same gender sex is a taboo?

[pole_smoker]

I have seen people post on this site where they think that having sex with the same gender is a 'taboo'?

Why is that?

Are they ashamed of being bisexual or something other than heterosexual?

[sysper]

some people are just narrowminded.......they think it crosses some line. whatever consenting adults decide to do in private is there business no matter the sex. but because it won't ever result in pregnancy they have been pushing the idea for years & centuries that it's very wrong. also i think alot of people tie sexual orientation with how masculine/feminine u are. knowing if ur a man or a women seems to be important. just my thoughts let's see what other people say

[Hypersexual11]

The view that same sex relationships are taboo is starting to become cloudy. There are many more "why?" questions being asked and fewer people that know the reason for the reputation. If we learn history, not what we learned in the 7th grade, real history, we can predict the outcome of our system. The Roman empire ruled for 2000 years. You can look at the progress the empire took over these millennium. You can almost overlay the short US history on the Roman history. We are following the same asphalt road. The Roman empire started to crumble when society started to break down. One of the biggest events causing this breakdown was supposedly homosexuality. Towards the end of the Roman empire, homosexuality was rampant. In some sectors, sex with women was becoming limited to procreation. This weakened the empire supposedly and it fell apart at the hands of a weak race that should have been no problem to handle. SO..when we hear things like 'homosexuality will cause the end of civilization as we know it', that is what it is referring to.

I tend to believe that a strong society requires at the very core, a strong family, a stringent set of rules, and an education system that prepares for life, not dependance. There is no need to believe me though. Simply look at the difference in society from say 40 or 50 years ago compared to today. The US is on the brink of being 3rd world. Class-wise, we are there already. We are weak, stupid and over confident. A recipe for disaster. I am against gay marriage but know that is the road we are on. I am against open homosexuality but we are already there. Fate has no U-Turn lane, we simply spiral into it's grasp.

History is what we are told. I have NO idea if the huge book on the Roman empire had one morsel of truth, but I chose to believe it. You can believe what you want as well. Seems to me the writing is on the wall.

remember the rules here, flame the idea, not the poster please.

[darkeyes]

Wot a rite load of ole tosh, hyper hun. Dunno wot kind of history u study but it bears no relation 2 the 1 which I did and still do. Homosexuality had nowt 2 do with the collapse of the Roman Empire... far more rancid corruption, social and economic issues wer responsible for that and ultimately overstretch, division and the rise in the strength, wealth and power of other peoples ultimately overwhelmed it... and when the Eastern Empire ultimately died, add isolation to those other factors.

..where we may agree however is that I do see parallels with the relative weakening of the US as I see in the eventual destruction of the old British Empire... homosexuality had nowt to do with either tho it suits enemies of the lgbt to try and make us think so.

[cbb83]

Have to agree with Darkeyes here.

[elian]

Without a true, loving relationship I still feel guilty and sort of think of it as "taboo" .. but it has more to do with the fact that I think I should be able to master a strong emotion such as "lust". I hate being controlled by such strong emotions but I think that is part of being human whether I like it or not. It wouldn't be hard to just not worry about sex, as some people do, but it's a lot more fun to give in.

I have been programmed to believe that sex is wrong and that you should be ashamed of pleasure, welcome to the western world.

Still, regardless of how many cialis/viagra commercials they show on TV or how many teen idols wear those "catch me" prostitute boots there is a lot more to life and relationships than sex, and yet sometimes that is all I can think about .. it feels REALLY good, and yet, it feels even better to think that the person laying next to you will be there as long as they can foresee.

I'm usually a very private person so sharing some of these feelings bothers me - one minute I feel well and balanced and later when I think about it I second guess myself. Sometimes it's like, "I can't believe I said that in public."

At times I can have quite an ego. I wouldn't really worry about it, but some years ago I learned that there are indeed some words once spoken, that can never be taken back. Ever since then I have tried to be careful..

[bityme]

The view that same sex relationships are taboo is starting to become cloudy. There are many more "why?" questions being asked and fewer people that know the reason for the reputation. If we learn history, not what we learned in the 7th grade, real history, we can predict the outcome of our system. The Roman empire ruled for 2000 years. You can look at the progress the empire took over these millennium. You can almost overlay the short US history on the Roman history. We are following the same asphalt road. The Roman empire started to crumble when society started to break down. One of the biggest events causing this breakdown was supposedly homosexuality. Towards the end of the Roman empire, homosexuality was rampant. In some sectors, sex with women was becoming limited to procreation. This weakened the empire supposedly and it fell apart at the hands of a weak race that should have been no problem to handle. SO..when we hear things like 'homosexuality will cause the end of civilization as we know it', that is what it is referring to.

I tend to believe that a strong society requires at the very core, a strong family, a stringent set of rules, and an education system that prepares for life, not dependance. There is no need to believe me though. Simply look at the difference in society from say 40 or 50 years ago compared to today. The US is on the brink of being 3rd world. Class-wise, we are there already. We are weak, stupid and over confident. A recipe for disaster. I am against gay marriage but know that is the road we are on. I am against open homosexuality but we are already there. Fate has no U-Turn lane, we simply spiral into it's grasp.

History is what we are told. I have NO idea if the huge book on the Roman empire had one morsel of truth, but I chose to believe it. You can believe what you want as well. Seems to me the writing is on the wall.

remember the rules here, flame the idea, not the poster please.

Have to disagree with you. Homosexuality, including gay marriage was freely practiced in the Roman Empire until the adoption of Christianity. Same-sex marriage was finally declared to be illegal by emperors Constantius II and Constans on December 16, 342 AD. The law they issued jointly appears in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3). Later, the practice of homosexuality was prohibited, under penalty of death, in the Justinian Code (529 A.D.). These changes were the result of the rise in Christian influence in the empire. The premis that the empire crumbled as a result of immorality and homosexuality being rampant is a myth. It crumbled because of a lack of good government, the division of the empire by Emperor Constantine (half going to each of his two sons), weakened defenses against invasion, etc., and the rise in power of the Catholic Church with the Pope ultimately exercising power over Roman Emperors.

You do make some good points, however, about the need for rules and an education system not geared for dependence. I believe that those problems are caused by our acquiescence to government liberal attitudes and policies resulting in lack of discipline in today's children and parents being afraid to hold children accountable for fear of government interference. Government's advancement of "political correctness", removal of things patriotic from schools, and a changing tax structure favoring rich contributors to political campaigns and increasing the tax burden on a shrinking middle class to increase give-aways to groups considered likely to vote for incumbents are the things turning us into a third world country. There is something very wrong when an illegal alien gets free medical care, free housing, free food, free transportation, free EBT cards, and free education while a citizen gets fined $5000.00 for crossing the border.

Homosexuality was not the cause of the Roman downfall despite the fact that Christian Emperor Justinian used it as a scapegoat for all sorts of problems including "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences." The only thing about history repeating itself is people still blaming homosexuality instead of the real culprit - greedy and inept politicians.

[JUSTLUVIN]

wow thought we were getting sort of past that. It seems more people I know are not at all uncomfortable about same sex attraction, the bisexual part is a challenge for some that I know

[void()]

Without a true, loving relationship I still feel guilty and sort of think of it as "taboo" .. but it has more to do with the fact that I think I should be able to master a strong emotion such as "lust". I hate being controlled by such strong emotions but I think that is part of being human whether I like it or not. It wouldn't be hard to just not worry about sex, as some people do, but it's a lot more fun to give in.

I have been programmed to believe that sex is wrong and that you should be ashamed of pleasure, welcome to the western world.

Still, regardless of how many cialis/viagra commercials they show on TV or how many teen idols wear those "catch me" prostitute boots there is a lot more to life and relationships than sex, and yet sometimes that is all I can think about .. it feels REALLY good, and yet, it feels even better to think that the person laying next to you will be there as long as they can foresee.

I'm usually a very private person so sharing some of these feelings bothers me - one minute I feel well and balanced and later when I think about it I second guess myself. Sometimes it's like, "I can't believe I said that in public."

At times I can have quite an ego. I wouldn't really worry about it, but some years ago I learned that there are indeed some words once spoken, that can never be taken back. Ever since then I have tried to be careful..

There is a parallel between me and you. This parallel lies in what I got "programmed" with as a "reality" concerning anger, passion.

As a child I would black out from anger as I have no doubt confided. There are times now, presently, as an adult that I could easily feel anger grasping the reigns. As in Dante's Inferno, I see an ominous sign post "abandon hope ye who enter", it says of anger. I was programmed to not get angry, or if I did get angry to divert it into something else.

My wife C, can tell you that she loves having a knock down drag out with me and then leaving for work, or to go shopping. She'll return to me at home. "I was pissed off at you, so, the bathroom is spotless, the dishes are washed, your clothes folded and put up damn it you got to quit pissing me off! Next thing we know I'll go clean up Three Mile Island just to spite you!" Of course, i do not always clean or do chores when pissed off. The point is I refocus and repose the emotion into something creative or productive.

I have difficulty now because of this. I lack an ability to be assertive which was also taught to me, despite it crippling me the more. I have to stand watch that a monster inside known as rage or if you desire a Biblical term, wrath, does not escape. Other people can get angry and yes, sure it is all perfectly natural and being human. There is my disconnect or, hangup. I can not let myself get angry as it is always a negative process/event with me.

Passion is on a similar disconnect for me. I am an absolutist despite my damnedest efforts to not be. It is because of the little monster rage, he danced with devils and learned their majiks. Rage, he become the Master by eating master's fire, spewing it back out to slay the petty master. In other words to face crazy and sick assholes, I realize they only understand violence, madness and destruction and when I get pissed or passionate, I have no hesitation in obliging this absolute. Ergo, I avoid a great mass of what others call news.

I do not watch anything by Fox news or now by ABC which is merely Disney in thinly veiled disguise. Look up Buena Vista Entertainment, the parent company to ABC who is in turn a child of Disney, there you go. I don't bother with Gates media either, or NBC/MSN. It also disappointed me Disney bought Marvel comics, and Lucas Arts, Industrial Light and Magic, Star Wars ever after in perpetuity, guess when can buy Brother's Grimm one ought not be surprised you buy the other 80% of culture. I digress though, it suffices to say I do not bother much with modern news/media. Better to look backwards and see forwards.

This does not always help though. It can at times instead frustrate. And in regards to the thread's topic, this parallel sees me seeing the doomed past repeating. Dead ideas still binding us. Allegedly, we do have control though. We have choice, we can agree to be bound or agree to not be bound. Peril no matter the turn. Alas, Horatio I knew him well. Bah! I shall sod off now as I sense mauldin on the brow, et tu Bruti? Yes even here on a site supposedly for accepting bisexuality in a positive light. You know what? Unfuck all of you.

[void()]

Bah! I shall sod off now as I sense mauldin on the brow, et tu Bruti? Yes even here on a site supposedly for accepting bisexuality in a positive light. You know what? Unfuck all of you.

Apollogies, did not mean that in as negative a manner as it came out. I was and am still a bit frustrated regarding the subject matter.
The subject matter I discern is "same sex sexual acts seen as taboo". Everyone has right to see things as wish. Fair enough I guess.

What bothers me is when folks attempt bashing or oppressing others with their ways of seeing things. Perhaps, that makes a fanatic for tolerance and moderation, an idealist. So it will be if it is, I'm not ashamed of desiring tolerance and moderation. That aside, I do not desire to abase others with my views or ways of seeing things is that all humanity by gawd ought to be moderate and tolerant.

Really is a dual edged blade one walks and at times it seems the pressure of that leads one to frustration. If I upset any by saying I unfuck them, my appologies until we can again fuck. And that too may be source of frustration, tsk, my poor blue ones. *sigh*

[Ebonybifemme7]

Yeah, in the lesbian community femme on femme is taboo. Its always those limitations.

[tonytnt]

What pisses me off is that two women having sex is so much more exceptable than two men having sex.

[elian]

Yes well the double standard does bother me, and actually gender identity bothers a LOT of people because it puts a label (and hence a limit) on their potential. Revenge is sort of interesting though because it turns out that some women are just as turned on by two males as heterosexual men seem to be over lesbian sex.

..and to Void - sorry I didn't respond back to you, things have been busy here. It is a shame that you don't have a controlled environment where you could express some of that anger..I guess maybe I should bought you that punching bag after all.

[mas8092]

What pisses me off is that two women having sex is so much more exceptable than two men having sex.

I agree. I've been watching the series/soap opera Manhattan on WGN. There is a lesbian sex sub plot. Guess it fires up the viewers. No man with man yet. I doubt that will happen. Although, a male majority at Los Alamos, New Mexico had to have 2 men who wanted to pleasure each other. Society is slow to adjust.

[darkeyes]

Yeah, in the lesbian community femme on femme is taboo. Its always those limitations.

Maybe in the US but not here.. what there is to some extent is a tendency among some non femme lesbians not 2 treat such relationships seriously.. there are as many relationships between lippie lesbians as there are between butch and femme and for that matter I would say 2 butch women are as likely to embark on a relationship or just gave it away casually as any other pairing. However, I wouldn't say there is a taboo and to say otherwise here at least is much too strong... there are simply far too many lesbians who are not butch and not all are the scatter brained bimbo or submissive and acquiescent woman of myth and legend.

My partner nor I witnessed any sign or indeed even heard of such a taboo on our one trip to the US north west, or for that matter the few days we spent in Vancouver in Canada which is not to say if course that it does not exist in those areas we spent but a few weeks or days.

I am what is known as a lippie lesbian, and am married to a very feminine bisexual woman. My preference is feminine women, but even if my attraction to the less feminine woman is quite rare, it is not unknown. Relationships between 2 feminine women, whether gay or bisexual should be treated with quite the same degree of seriousness and respect as any other and never as taboo.

[Realist]

I also disagree with Ebony.

My first wife was bisexual and she was only attracted to pretty, feminine women. Of the 3 female lovers she had, during our marriage, they were of the same mind. Pat, her last lesbian lover during out marriage, was a world class beauty, who was also only attracted to strong, beautiful, women.

I am aware that some feminine bi and lesbian women are attracted to butch women, but I'd never say that's the most common practice.

There are few absolutes where humans are concerned! One person's taboo is another's wildest desire!

[Bigjn64]

I Believe it's one simple thing that causes them to feel that way, The church told them it was wrong. 99.9% of all people were told this growing up, so in their mind it must be. Well i believe in the "each person has the right to choose what they do with their body and it's nobody's damn right to judge them".

[NakedInSeattle]

I'm bothered by the opening premise. Pole-smoker says he's seen posts here about same sex being taboo. What in the holy hell would someone who feels that way be doing here in the first place?

[pole_smoker]

I'm bothered by the opening premise. Pole-smoker says he's seen posts here about same sex being taboo. What in the holy hell would someone who feels that way be doing here in the first place?

Do a search for taboo. A lot of threads show up where people write about how they think same gender sex is a taboo to them, why they feel the need to not be out about being bi because of this 'taboo', or other such things.

[sofun74sun]

There has been homosexualty all throughout millennia in both humans and animals! lol

[sysper]

There has been homosexualty all throughout millennia in both humans and animals! lol

i will not deny that unfortunately there are those who will

[void()]

..and to Void - sorry I didn't respond back to you, things have been busy here. It is a shame that you don't have a controlled environment where you could express some of that anger..I guess maybe I should bought you that punching bag after all.

Eh? .. Oh, er well, if it comes to the worst I can go be an axe murder. We recently got in a load of green firewood. Paw Paw left his axes in fair shape. Been looking at the double bit, it's sexy long neck and glimmering bite are so tempting. Then, I realize splitting green oak, hickory are far better done with the hydraulic. Axes have tendency of sinking into the green wood, folks greater risk of being hurt. *sighs* Yeah, a heavy bag would be nice, something to just go unload unto. And no it is not all sexual frustration. But ah be hushing lest I may say sumpin of value and meaning.

[lizard-lix]

uh, religion?

[pole_smoker]

uh, religion?

That can't be to blame for everything, even if ignorant Atheists want to claim it's the cause of everything wrong/evil.

There are various religions and spiritualities, or sects of them that do not mention anything at all about being bi, gay, or lesbian, or they are OK with people who are not heterosexual and even accept us.

[darkeyes]

Really religion is the cause of none of the ills of the world... those who thought it up, and those who spread it and twist it to make it dirty and to gain power over others are to blame.. or even if there is a god or gods, which I do not and have never believed, the same applies... the prejudices of religion are really the prejudices of human beings, bent on power, and believers bent on oppressing those who believe differently, think differently, live differently from them or are different from them and insisting on conformity...

[void()]

Really religion is the cause of none of the ills of the world... those who thought it up, and those who spread it and twist it to make it dirty and to gain power over others are to blame.. or even if there is a god or gods, which I do not and have never believed, the same applies... the prejudices of religion are really the prejudices of human beings, bent on power, and believers bent on oppressing those who believe differently, think differently, live differently from them or are different from them and insisting on conformity...

Keen to agree with you. If there be a god, what matter would to it who, how a person loves?

*reads through thread* "Ignorant atheists"? *gets this really befuddled expression on his face, scratches his noggin* Um, is that a stab at creation of an oxymoron pun? Is it even legal for an atheist to be ignorant? If so, how long are they allowed such luxury? Maybe you ought to use one these terms preceding atheist. Here are the terms: militant, fanatical, religious. Hint, tossing religious before atheist is really offensive to the fanatical militant atheists.

[pole_smoker]

Keen to agree with you. If there be a god, what matter would to it who, how a person loves?

*reads through thread* "Ignorant atheists"? *gets this really befuddled expression on his face, scratches his noggin* Um, is that a stab at creation of an oxymoron pun? Is it even legal for an atheist to be ignorant? If so, how long are they allowed such luxury? Maybe you ought to use one these terms preceding atheist. Here are the terms: militant, fanatical, religious. Hint, tossing religious before atheist is really offensive to the fanatical militant atheists.

A lot of Atheists, at least ones online have nothing better to do than troll online all day long, or who are way too into Richard Dawkins and his opinions, can be classified as being religious or akin to religious or spiritual fundamentalists.

This is because they're just as much into forcing their beliefs or lack of a religion/spirituality onto other people as religious fundamentalists are.

I have friends who are atheist and they're not like this. They don't go around telling everyone that they're atheist, they don't tell them that atheism is "right" and that other religions or spiritualities that people may have are "wrong", they don't call people who are spiritual or religious stupid or claim they believe in made up fairy tales, etc.

[darkeyes]

A lot of Atheists, at least ones online have nothing better to do than troll online all day long, or who are way too into Richard Dawkins and his opinions, can be classified as being religious or akin to religious or spiritual fundamentalists.

This is because they're just as much into forcing their beliefs or lack of a religion/spirituality onto other people as religious fundamentalists are.

I have friends who are atheist and they're not like this. They don't go around telling everyone that they're atheist, they don't tell them that atheism is "right" and that other religions or spiritualities that people may have are "wrong", they don't call people who are spiritual or religious stupid or claim they believe in made up fairy tales, etc.

That's how it goes.... in some parts if the world atheists fight for air against an overwhelmingly intolerant religious establishment which would exterminate them.. in some parts of what is known as the free world (which is nothing of the kind of course) fight for air against an overwhelmingly intolerant secular establishment which claims to be religious.. they fight to be heard, and fight for equality and acceptance against an largely intolerant religious (or "religious")and strident citizenry which would take from them if they could the right to free speech and the freedom not to believe. Is it surprising then that many atheists, deprived of air as they are sometimes respond in kind and are equally strident and intolerant in their fight to breathe?

I can think of at least one huge group of people found all around the world in every country (I can think of many such groups, but one in particular comes to mind since we discuss this on .com) who have had to fight for air in a very similar manner to atheists, and in the western world at least, in a far more strident and militant form than ever atheists do and in some ways with more success... and if atheists wish to claim that the religious believe in what are in their view fairy tales (something I have said before now and still believe), as long as we believe in freedom if speech and expression, then we have no choice, and if as part of their fight for air they wish to bang about it, then that is something u may not like or agree with but have to accept and show just a little more understanding and tolerance... it is folk like that who played no small part in gaining us the rights and freedoms we currently enjoy and who may just enable us to keep and further them... after all, what other group can u think of that banged on about others believing in myth and legend? Fairy tales if u like... not a strict analogy maybe, but close enough, I think☺..

[ghmutt1986]

I agree with what you say.

[lizard-lix]

Darkeyes and Void(),

Sorry you are both right, it is not so much religion as the business of religion, as instituted by the 'leaders,' which is control.

Just look at the current gay marriage issues worldwide.

I any case, just think of the song from the Rogers and Hammerstein musical South Pacific: 'You have to be taught."