And when reading the excuse of "auto-correct" *LMAO* only one thing came to mind. . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-fK7GVrHW0Originally Posted by csrakate
And when reading the excuse of "auto-correct" *LMAO* only one thing came to mind. . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-fK7GVrHW0
Yes, I agree that it does feel a little below the belt to me as well and has bothered me since I posted it. U
It is part of who and what she is though. It has led her to make the conclusion that she and made her controversial opinion on this site...not just in one thread but at least two threads she has attacted bimen who are not living a hetero pure life. She , herself, has byfar lived a very unorthodox alternative lif3 and slurs with what you have referred to as prickly . Wanting academic discussion and consensual discussion wnd then attacks when acad3mic critique is made onher evidence. There is clearly contradiction and hypocracy in her writings.
*laughs* More like the type of BS and psuedoscience I see from idiots who are in complete denial about how HIV is a human disease and that even straight people are at risk for getting infected. Self determination and cause of infection means something to those who have HIV regardless of gay or bisexual men Vs hetero statistics. If your and AeonPax's message is to reinforce that HIV/AIDS is a gay male and bisexual male disease, you've just moved that agenda forward a lot. People will not hear subtle distinctions - they'll only hear that HIV/AIDS is a gay and bisexual male disease and that will bring gay and bisexual men greater retribution and violence, and cause more heterosexual people not to practice safer sex, not to get tested, not to seek treatment/meds, and it just shows how neither of you understand HIV.
"HIV is a gay and bisexual men's disease." This is a myth that refuses to die. Misinformation, fear, ignorance and media sensationalism continue to fuel this myth in North America. For every one person like me trying to tell the truth about HIV transmission, there seems to be a dozen shrieking, simpleminded, natural-born dullards with a staggering inability to grasp reality. HIV is not a gay or bisexual men's disease. Nope. All of us are at risk in getting HIV from unsafe sex or other modes of blood to blood contact, like sharing needles. Television talk shows and all those fundamentalist/conservative/family values groups are chock full of flaky, clueless lightweights who made up their minds twenty years ago that HIV is a product of the so-called "bisexual and gay male promiscuity". These poor creatures are so invested in this myth that they are incapable of hearing the truth. They continue to spew their self-righteous, delusional feculence to the detriment of all humanity. They are, in fact, shameless, insidious prevaricators driven solely by their irrational loathing and fear of gay and bisexual men.
LOL he's keeping up the ruse even though we all know it!! THIS IS PRICELESS. He's so angry at the world!! HAHA.
Spouting the same nonsense from multiple accounts! MY EYES ARE TEARING UP FROM LAUGHTER!!
Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-fK7GVrHW0
And he's picked up a thesaurus. . oh fuck me this is too funny!!
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You know, I kind of pity people so wilfully ignorant and hateful as you have demonstrated, life must be awful for you. You’re no better than those who oppose LGBT rights. Why is it wrong for bisexual men and HIV+ people to be offended by the language in the orignal post and in the posts that call us and people who are HIV+ or who've had an STD "Cesspools"? Aeon and Slip it is YOU who are ignoring HISTORY in your childish attempts to support your vile biphobia and pozphobia. You ignore everything except your own hatred and prejudice towards bisexual and gay men, and people who are poz. It must be awful to be so hateful. Throwing around wild insinuations and lashings of prejudice, people like you are why there are many negative stereotypes of bisexual and gay men, and people who are poz or who have an STD. I prefer FACTS and HISTORY over the hate and propaganda you embrace. Oh and I’m a Buddhist, Scientology or Fundamentalist Christianity seems more appropriate for you: they like to twist reality to suit their own fantasies as well. Farewell hateful ones. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out…Also, you appear to harbor a lot of hatred towards bisexual and gay men, as well as people who happen to be HIV+. You can bury your head in the sand, Aeon and Slip (while both claiming to be bisexual), but biphobia and pozphobia are real, they do occur. And we WILL speak out against them. The original post and Aeon and slip's posts about bisexual men and HIV uses language associated with biphobia and pozphobia, and that is why several of us have spoken out about it.
I fear you’re expecting too much from Aeon and slip. They are clearly extremely bigoted people – and we all know how resistant bigots are to reason, logic, and facts that inconveniently disagree with their agendas of hate, or in this case their biphobia and pozphobia.
Uh oh. . .someone is projecting. I don't think he even realises he is angry at himself but takes it out on others.
Notice that he has chosen to not address that we know of at least two separate accounts he posts under now.
Gee, I wonder what *Melissa* would have to say about this. . .lol.
I put my Freud hat on and I believe I have a good theory about ExSailor / MelissaPDX:
Aeon and I have expressed an idea that angers him, likely unconsciously. That idea is choice. We choose to mitigate risk. ExSailor has told us that he contracted HIV from sexual assault. He ended up with HIV because that choice was taken away from him in a horrific way. Unconsciously he wants that choice to be taken away from everyone. He's angry at the world because someone took away his choice of sexual partner and as a result he ended up with an infection that today has no cure. One can sympathize for sure. I'm going to assume that someone on this forum would not lie about something this serious.
That anger bends and distorts reality. If he can convince people to engage in risky sexual behaviours it increases the chance of them also becoming HIV+. This is Freud's id in action.
I'm pretty certain based on this that he never addressed the anger and feelings associated with the sexual assault. The anger is unconsciously festering in him as though this horrific assault happened yesterday.
Looks at how he wants to portray me. My gay friends would not recognize me in his description - the ones who know about my sex life and wholly support it and understand. But his caricature of me is a reflection of the treatment he's received from people over the years. As an anonymous individual on the internet I become a lightning rod to release some of that anger.
My thoughts are known and aren't going to change because someone calls me names and attributes attitudes to me that are untrue.
And with that, I believe it's time for me to let this thread die.
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I have been reading the thread..... and this thread reminded me of the glenn mills case in NZ ( one of 3 cases )....
bisexual hiv pos guy that had sex with 14 people and infected 7 of them, knowing that he was HIV pos.....
between him and the other two cases, 3 bi guys infected close to 30 people, some of them heteros...
http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publis...ticle_8256.php this is a victims statement about having sex with glenn
from the article.....
So one night you and Glenn tumbled into bed together?the guy contracted hiv....
Yeah. A can't remember the exact month, but it would have been around November or December [2008] and my relationship with my partner was pretty much dead by then.
With Glenn it was like any other hook-up really, nothing was out of the ordinary. We were kissing. His exact words were 'Oh, do you mind if we don't use a condom, it hurts my dick'. I said 'No, I want to use a condom'. I didn't know enough about him to trust him like that. I've got this stance with new people, if we're hooking up for the first time, there's no way I'm going to have unprotected sex with them.
What was his reaction when you said ‘No’?
He pushed it a bit. He went on more about how it hurt his dick, and that he lost sensitivity and found it hard to maintain an erection. So I stood up to leave the room. Then he said 'OK, that's fine', and he put a condom on. And as far as I knew, we had protected sex. I was on my stomach so there was no way I could be 100% sure. But I saw the condom go on so I was quite satisfied that we were having protected sex. I had no suspicions or qualms about it.
footnote at the end of the interview
Glenn Mills eventually faced 28 charges relating to knowingly exposing 14 young sex partners, 12 of them young gay men including teenagers, to HIV. It may never be known how many young men he actually infected with HIV. Early Monday morning Mills was found dead in his remand jail cell, police have not sought anyone in relation to his death.
my reason for posting this, is not about making bi / gay guys look bad, cos so many people are not like glenn mills..... its more to do with the fact that using condoms doesn't mean that you are having safe sex, it means that as far as you know, the person had a condom on.......
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
Gilbert K. Chesterton .
It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem.
Gilbert K. Chesterton
Innocence is a form of insanity and self delusion
Slippy
I do agree with you that it is about choice as to whom you have sex with. I do not agree with excluding ALL people of a certain gender or sexuality as potential sex partners. I believe in some form of caution and factor in gut feelings and statements made by potential sex partners. I also believe in excluding certainhigh risk sex activity from casual sex. That maybe where I differ from you? I respect your right to use your own criteria but see your chice as too exlusionary and maybe missing out on fullfilling youself but that is your life decision and choice.
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There's a saying; "Never teach a pig how to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig." It would appear that the pompous, unenlightened are against any method or rationale which slows down the spread of HIV, that does not conform to their myopic ideology. That whole line of thought and their subsequent arguments seem neurotic and dangerous. To even suggest a person needs to qualify their reasoning for choosing a certain method in which to avoid contracting HIV/STD, past a group of angry extremists, smacks of stupidity and callousness that is beyond belief.
You are correct, there is lot of raw anger these people represent although I daresay I'm not qualified to analyze the causes. Still, such blatant displays of irrationality, intolerance and mindless repetitions are indicative to personalities suffering certain human disorders.
If only one person can avoid contracting HIV/STD's, even for the wrong reasons, then it is good. For someone to pass by later and pass judgement on them according to their skewed standards, is hateful.
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@LDD- Yes I can sadly see how this thread reminds you of a bisexual who goes around spreading HIV+ on purpose.
Not that I'm without my little paranoia's concerning STD's and the behaviour of those I meet, but dear God bi males are not as thick or malicious as made out in general here, thank fek! Neither are gay males either. Not in my experience anyway. But MY experience is as the one who puts the condom on, so that prob has it's advantages.
People will continue to have casual sex, no matter what is said by those against it. The only positive influence for those is proper 'safe sex' education. Not streams of paranoia, ridicule or any kind of phobic selectiveness (of which I use). That might work for some, but not for all. It might not work at all for anybody.
With regard to post 375 intentional? infecting men with HIV, I think that these type of people are vile mentally ill people but this is not limited to just m2m sex. In my country we have had two extreme clases of intentionally knowingly spreading HIV. The first case involved a man infecting 8 women and two died from AIDs before the trial began. He had been repeatedly informed of his statusand nto to have unprotected sex.. Even whenasked directly by a woman wat his HIV status was he lied to her. She died of AIDs from having sex with a hetrosexual man. He was found guilty ofaggravated sexual asault insix cases and guilty of manslaughter. He hasbeen declared a special type of offender (dangerous offender)and will never permitted out of jail(I think thst he was..but I may bewrong..case my not yet resoljved on that matter)
The second incident involved awoman who went to military bases and infected male military personnel with HiV. She lied to the men(young and dumb horny buggers). Aparently she had actually snuck on to tbe bases to seduce soldiers. She was found guilty of aggravated sexual assault (euivalent to rape or forced sex with a weapon).
Neither case involved bisexual men or women. As others have posted HIV is not a male sexually transmitted disease only...it is a human sexually transmitted disease and caution is needed but celebacy is not the way either..well it wil save you...lol but for what?
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Here come the excuses for your biphobic, homophobic, and pozphobic agenda yet again.HIV is a human disease. Telling people to be abstinent and not have sex at all does not work. It didn't work for you as a teenager and you were sexually active then, had unprotected sex intentionally, and got pregnant and have done this multiple times and you're not even 30. Avoiding sexual partners who are bisexual men because you think that most of us are HIV+ and you believe that safer sex when done correctly does not work at preventing HIV transmission shows how you don't know anything about human sexuality, HIV, or safer sex. None of your arguments are going to stop or slow down the spread of HIV. You're not preventing anyone from getting HIV by having a biphobic and pozphobia agenda. Because of ignorant bigots like you who have the biphobic and homophobic opinion that "HIV is a disease that only bisexual and gay men have to worry about! If I don't sleep with bisexual or gay men I don't need to worry about it!" more and more heterosexuals will get infected with HIV because they think that as hets they don't need practice safer sex, get tested, and think that because they're not having sex with a bisexual or gay man there's no way that their partner could be poz. Your posts in this topic just show how you're very ignorant about HIV and how HIV is a human disease, and how you're nothing but a person filled with hate towards bisexual and gay men, and HIV+ people. What really smacks of stupidity, bigotry, biphobia, pozphobia, and skewed standards is how in 2012 you want to claim that HIV is still a disease that bisexual and gay men need worry about and by having sex with hetero men you're somehow protecting yourself against it.
Nope I'm not angry at the world and I did address being raped. I do however get very angry when I see bigots such as yourself and the OP going on and on with biphobia and pozphobia with BS such as "HIV is a bisexual and gay men's disease!" as you've both done and still do in this thread. The CDC doesn't have epidemiological information on bisexuals for HIV nor does anyone else. As Gearbox wrote it's a guestimate with the CDC and the actual number of bisexual and gay men who are HIV+ as well as HIV+ hets but at the CDC they do know how worldwide most people who are HIV+, or living with HIV/AIDS are heterosexual and that HIV is a human disease that infects everyone no matter what their sexual orientation, gender, or race is.
Then why post a scaremongering interview that paints HIV+ people as liars, predators, and as though we want to knowingly infect others?
`Here come the excuses for your biphobic, homophobic, and pozphobic agenda yet again.
Even by your standards, that one very long, uninterrupted, diatribe. Nothing new was added but that was no surprise.
Linguistically, you are getting better at victimizing yourself, at the usual expense of facts and knowledge, but I'm glad to see you are trying. Practice makes perfect.
Dr. Æon now needs to give you a prescription;
This is coming from an immature, childish, and silly woman who rambles on with nonsensical posts that are devoid of actual facts or knowledge about HIV or safer sex, who blames bisexual men for HIV infection, refuses to learn about HIV and safer sex thinking that abstinence actually works, and whenever a person or people of the male gender do not agree with her biphobic, pozphobic, and bigoted opinions she pulls out misandry and plays the PC victim card of "You're a misogynist!"
my sister died from a single sexual encounter with a male that had no idea he was infected....... the victim in my post, wanted to have and believed he was having safe sex, and got infected.....@LDD- Yes I can sadly see how this thread reminds you of a bisexual who goes around spreading HIV+ on purpose.
Not that I'm without my little paranoia's concerning STD's and the behaviour of those I meet, but dear God bi males are not as thick or malicious as made out in general here, thank fek! Neither are gay males either. Not in my experience anyway. But MY experience is as the one who puts the condom on, so that prob has it's advantages.
People will continue to have casual sex, no matter what is said by those against it. The only positive influence for those is proper 'safe sex' education. Not streams of paranoia, ridicule or any kind of phobic selectiveness (of which I use). That might work for some, but not for all. It might not work at all for anybody.
yes safe sex is great, being selective of partners is great, hell anything that limits the risks, is great.... but it doesn't eliminate the risks.... so my message was simply, be careful out there.... the new hiv meds may work bloody well on the hiv virus... but you still have to have the virus for the meds to work........
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
Gilbert K. Chesterton .
It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem.
Gilbert K. Chesterton
Innocence is a form of insanity and self delusion
The early warnings about HIV and AIDS targeted us bisexuals as a 'high risk group', when the real risk is not about who you are, it's about what you do. Bisexuals have taken this personally and have taken the lead in educating about safer sex and HIV. The blunt truth is this: * Bisexuals don't spread HIV * Sex with Bisexuals doesn't spread HIV * Bisexuals are not "the bridge" for HIV infection between gay and straight people. * Unsafe sex and sharing needles spreads HIV, regardless of sexuality
guess you missed the part of my post that said * my reason for posting this, is not about making bi / gay guys look bad, cos so many people are not like glenn mills *..
my own sister contracted hiv and died, it was the result of a single unprotected sexual encounter with a ( as far as we know ) hetero male, and the guy committed suicide when he found out he was poz and have infected another person......and I do not view the guy as a complete asshole, I view it as something that happened that had a tragic outcome for two people and more.... and I can only imagine the hell that poor guy went thru when he found out he was poz and had infected somebody else... but I do not have issues with HIV+ people cos of it......
yes I think glenn was a asshole... but it doesn't mean that I have any issues with you or melissapdx
so yeah, not everybody is* out to get you * or trying to portray hiv+ people as something they are not.....but the way you reacted to what I posted, speaks volumes about you and your own issues.
I will say it again.... be safe out there, even the best laid plans can go wrong.... I hope that never happens, to ANYBODY...
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
Gilbert K. Chesterton .
It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem.
Gilbert K. Chesterton
Innocence is a form of insanity and self delusion
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Ye gods.....
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That's not your goal here as you've shown with your agendas that you're biphobic, pozphobic, and think that safer sex (when done correctly) doesn't work when it comes to preventing HIV transmission.
I agree with you 100%! As the OP and others in this thread have shown they are pozphobic and biphobic, and bigoted hypocrites.
Actually she is biphobic, homophobic, and pozphobic, and a self hating bisexual.
I agree with you she's not only biphobic and homophobic; but she's pozphobic and has her head buried in the sand of denial when it comes to HIV.
Bisexuals aren't plague dogs The early warnings about HIV and AIDS targeted us as a 'high risk group', when the real risk is not about who you are, it's about what you do. Bisexuals have taken this personally and have taken the lead in educating about safer sex. The blunt truth is this: * Bisexuals don't spread HIV * Sex with Bisexuals doesn't spread HIV * Bisexuals are not "the bridge" for HIV infection between gay and straight people. * Unsafe sex and sharing needles spreads HIV, regardless of sexuality It's not who or what you are, it's what you do. Q: Bisexual people spread HIV/AIDS because they have sex with gay people, then go pass AIDS on to straight people. True or False? A: 9) Bisexual people spread HIV/AIDS because they have sex with gay people, then go pass AIDS on to straight people. True or False? False. Dishonest and irresponsible people spread diseases of many kinds, including HIV/AIDS, by having unprotected sex with infected partners and passing diseases on to uninfected partners. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. People who are not honest about their sexual behavior or desires may also not be honest about their need to protect themselves with safer sex, as if it can't hurt them if they don't really admit it's true that they want or like something they don't think they are "supposed to" like or want. Being honest about whether or not you are engaging in a sexual act that might put you at risk for an STD (including AIDS), and using appropriate safer sex methods, is the only way to help cut down on your risk of contracting an STD or of getting infected and passing it on to someone else. Germs and viruses can't tell what your sexual orientation is, what your sex is, who you are, how old you are, or who you sleep with. They don't care. The only thing you can do - whether you consider yourself bi, gay, lesbian, straight, or something else entirely -- is be honest with yourself about when you need to protect yourself and the people you have sex with, and have safer sex at all times.
my, my what a contentious thread... living and loving are so much more interesting than splitting hairs over this stuff... I will enter the fray, however, just enough to say Aeon's description of her life was kinda disturbing... seems to be a lot of treating people as a means to an end instead of an end in and of themselves in her circle... Immanuel Kant might hold his nose
I think I’m getting to understand you now. For whatever reason, I think you’re hurting inside and what you say here, is just a release mechanism you use to vent all that hurt. I understand such things and maybe I can help.
What I’m about to post may cause you to quiver but just follow me with this….
Who are the women at risk for HIV infection?
• Women who have unprotected sex; Additionally, more than one sex partner increases the risk of catching any sexually transmitted infection, including HIV. The more partners one has, the greater the risk.
• Women whose sex partners are not monogamous; particularly those partners who have had sexual contact with other partners. Some men who have had sexual contact with sex workers have transmitted HIV to their female partner.
• Women whose sex partners are bisexual or homosexual men; Approximately 10% of men identify as homosexual and it is estimated another 10% are bisexual [both male and female partners].
• Women whose sex partners have hemophilia; Many hemophiliacs have been exposed in the past to HIV.
• Women who inject drugs and/or share needles for any other purpose, and women whose sex partners inject drugs and/or share needles for any other purpose [such as steroid use]; Injection drug users are at very high risk for exposure to HIV because of shared needles. Women whose partners share needles can be exposed to HIV through unprotected sex.
• Women who have undergone donor insemination for pregnancy; HIV can be transmitted through semen donated by infected men.
• Women who have received blood transfusions [or blood products] prior to 1985;
http://www.csun.edu/studenthealthcen...women_aids.pdf
This is from a brochure that is handed out to students at the California State University – Northridge but the same exact information is across college campuses throughout the US and even in many high schools. It’s purpose is to prevent harm, that’s it. No biphobia, no anti male conspiracy, just a sincere desire to help people.
Do you think this is wrong?
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